FB: Empire 8

[dlippiel]

Does the Purple Drank warrant some respect? **** yes, they have earned it in dlipp's mind two years in a row. Yet this is a weaker Curry team than in the past two years and Maine Maritime has done nothing to deserve a ranking ahead of an LL undefeated (in LL play) team in Union.

Maine Maritime will blow out Curry this weekend. 

Could be Utah and if that is the case it will disprove Curry being ranked ahead of Maine Maritime in the rankings, thus another faulty ranking. Of course dlip doesn't feel the rankings should be or are perfect but just feels there is not a whole lot of thought going into some of the placements.

[union89]

It would help if the East could get more than five or six teams into the playoffs.

Need the ECFC to get their AQ, NESCAC to get off their high horse and come play, and NEFC splits into 2 individual conferences with an AQ each.

And that will improve the quality of teams making the playoffs in the East?  Maine Maritime, Curry & Husson even in playoff discussions is redickulous.....

Yeah, no kidding! Curry has no business in the playoffs! They could never hang with a team from the Empire...you know what...I'll just stop here...

Not surprisingly, you missed the point of the post.  All 3 of those schools making the playoffs in the same year (see Gro's example) would not be good for the East.

[dlippiel]

Does the Purple Drank warrant some respect? **** yes, they have earned it in dlipp's mind two years in a row. Yet this is a weaker Curry team than in the past two years and Maine Maritime has done nothing to deserve a ranking ahead of an LL undefeated (in LL play) team in Union.

Perhaps, but considering Union gave Muhlenberg one of their two wins on the season, their marquee win over Ithaca is turning out to look not so grand, and they have yet to play the only other team in the LL that could make the playoffs, Union doesn't strike me as having the greatest resume either. It's quite possible only 3 of the 8 LL teams finish with a winning record, so how impressive is a 6-0 LL record when you haven't played the #2 school yet?

I know the NEFC is a cruddy conference, but if the best win you can claim this season is an un-ranked Ithaca, it's not like you've proven a lot either.

dlip is sure Maine Maritime and/or Curry would play Salisbury tough down in Maryland? dlip concurs though about Union's resume in 09, the loss to the Mules was ****in porous to say the least but looking at the strength of conferences he feels Unions in conference wins are more impressive than either of Curry and MM's wins this year.

[theoriginalupstate]

It would help if the East could get more than five or six teams into the playoffs.

Need the ECFC to get their AQ, NESCAC to get off their high horse and come play, and NEFC splits into 2 individual conferences with an AQ each.

And that will improve the quality of teams making the playoffs in the East?  Maine Maritime, Curry & Husson even in playoff discussions is redickulous.....

Yeah, no kidding! Curry has no business in the playoffs! They could never hang with a team from the Empire...you know what...I'll just stop here...

Not surprisingly, you missed the point of the post.  All 3 of those schools making the playoffs in the same year (see Gro's example) would not be good for the East.

Not surprisingly, you missed the sarcasm...

[union89]

It would help if the East could get more than five or six teams into the playoffs.

Need the ECFC to get their AQ, NESCAC to get off their high horse and come play, and NEFC splits into 2 individual conferences with an AQ each.

And that will improve the quality of teams making the playoffs in the East?  Maine Maritime, Curry & Husson even in playoff discussions is redickulous.....

Yeah, no kidding! Curry has no business in the playoffs! They could never hang with a team from the Empire...you know what...I'll just stop here...

Not surprisingly, you missed the point of the post.  All 3 of those schools making the playoffs in the same year (see Gro's example) would not be good for the East.

Not surprisingly, you missed the sarcasm...

Not missed....Curry obviously showed they belong last year....all 3 making it in '09 would not be good IMO....where did I miss something?

[Bombers798891]

It would help if the East could get more than five or six teams into the playoffs.

Need the ECFC to get their AQ, NESCAC to get off their high horse and come play, and NEFC splits into 2 individual conferences with an AQ each.

And that will improve the quality of teams making the playoffs in the East?  Maine Maritime, Curry & Husson even in playoff discussions is redickulous.....

Yeah, no kidding! Curry has no business in the playoffs! They could never hang with a team from the Empire...you know what...I'll just stop here...

Not surprisingly, you missed the point of the post.  All 3 of those schools making the playoffs in the same year (see Gro's example) would not be good for the East.

I got that. I was simply making a joke.

[theoriginalupstate]

It would help if the East could get more than five or six teams into the playoffs.

Need the ECFC to get their AQ, NESCAC to get off their high horse and come play, and NEFC splits into 2 individual conferences with an AQ each.

And that will improve the quality of teams making the playoffs in the East?  Maine Maritime, Curry & Husson even in playoff discussions is redickulous.....

Yeah, no kidding! Curry has no business in the playoffs! They could never hang with a team from the Empire...you know what...I'll just stop here...

Not surprisingly, you missed the point of the post.  All 3 of those schools making the playoffs in the same year (see Gro's example) would not be good for the East.

Not surprisingly, you missed the sarcasm...

Not missed....Curry obviously showed they belong last year....all 3 making it in '09 would not be good IMO....where did I miss something?

Read the bold part again, and notice it's coming from a bombers fan...

[union89]

Dude, got it the 1st time he said it....you guys are right though, good job...I give up.

[theoriginalupstate]

Dude, got it the 1st time he said it....you guys are right though, good job...I give up.

No one is saying that having multiple teams from the New England region (ECFC, NEFC, NESAC) would be a good thing for the East's rep...

You took a joke the wrong way...

[sjfcards]

What did happen to IC last year against Curry? I watched Curry play the following week at Cortland, and it was not pretty. I remember thinking to myself; "How did Curry even stay on the field with IC". I did go out the Friday night before the C-state game, and one parent responded to my question with "apparently the JV team played"

[Bombers798891]

What did happen to IC last year against Curry? I watched Curry play the following week at Cortland, and it was not pretty. I remember thinking to myself; "How did Curry even stay on the field with IC". I did go out the Friday night before the C-state game, and one parent responded to my question with "apparently the JV team played"

Offensively, Grastorf was just terrible. His accuracy was awful, and they never got into a rhythm. Defensively, they just didn't make the plays when they needed to.

I'll tell you the play that killed them, that most people don't remember:

Ithaca was up 21-18 with about 6:45 to go. They had a 2nd and 3 from the Curry 23 yard line, after running for seven on first down. They went to hand it back off to Ruggerio and Grastorf fell down and lost seven yards. That set up a 3rd and 10, and it was hopeless the way he was throwing.

I honestly believe if Grastorf doesn't fall there, Ithaca runs it two or three more times to pick up the first down, and the whole game changes. We'll never know of course, but it was one of those things where the box score (Which gives Grastorf a -7 yard rush) doesn't tell the whole story. Even a FG there could have changed the game.

Instead, the Bombers went ultra-conservative and got beat. You really have to have been around Ithaca a lot to understand how they blow games like that. Just look at Cortland in 2003, Brockport in 2004, Lycoming in 2005. Ithaca losing to teams they're better than is nothing new around here.

['gro]

Ok. I'll alter my original statement. The ECFC will have an AQ eventually, and Gro thinks the NESCAC should up the ante to 9 games and playoff consideration. The NEFC thing was just a (crack) pipe dream.

so suck on that beeshes

[Frank Rossi]

ECAC Bowl (North Subregion) Update (Final List with Updated Records)

The following teams have applied for consideration for ECAC Championship games on 11/21/09 from the North Subregion of the ECAC:

Maine Maritime (8-1, 6-1) *
Alfred (7-1, 3-1) * /
Plymouth State (8-2, 6-1)
Union (7-2, 6-0) *
SUNY-Cortland (7-2, 7-2)
Springfield (7-2, 3-2) *
St. John Fisher (5-3, 3-1) +
Hartwick (5-3, 1-3) +
Gallaudet (6-4, 4-2)
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RPI (4-4, 2-4)
Framingham State (5-5, 3-4)
Utica (4-5, 0-4) X /
Brockport State (3-6, 2-6) X

Records are overall followed by respective league records.  Line represents projected cut based on current NCAA Playoff berths, although line could be one or two levels too high (thus allowing one or two four-loss teams into the ECAC Bowls if two teams above line enter NCAA Playoffs).

* - Team could still win an NCAA berth.

+, / - Team plays against another team in the list in future game.

X - Team currently does not have record that would allow it to be considered (>=.500 overall or in league).

Six teams will be picked from the list of teams that file for consideration.  The deadline for consideration without late fee was THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH at 5pm EST.  

Teams will be selected by the ECAC Football Championships Committee on or about 11/15/09 (following selection of the NCAA Playoffs field).  Teams historically have been selected by win-loss record except when ties exist.  The #1 team hosts the #6 team, the #2 team hosts the #5 team and the #3 team hosts the #4 team, unless the higher-seeded team does not file to host the game.  All games begin at 12pm local time on 11/21/09.

[Frank Rossi]

Note that SJF vs. Hartwick could be an ECAC Bowl elimination game unless Maine Maritime beats Curry, Union beats Susquehanna and Alfred beats Utica.  Four-loss teams with bad in-conference records stand a poor chance without these scenarios.

[boobyhasgameyo]

ECAC Bowl (North Subregion) Update (Final List with Updated Records)

The following teams have applied for consideration for ECAC Championship games on 11/21/09 from the North Subregion of the ECAC:

Maine Maritime (8-1, 6-1) *
Alfred (7-1, 3-1) * /
Plymouth State (8-2, 6-1)
Union (7-2, 6-0) *
SUNY-Cortland (7-2, 7-2)
Springfield (7-2, 3-2) *
St. John Fisher (5-3, 3-1) +
Hartwick (5-3, 1-3) +
Gallaudet (6-4, 4-2)
---------------------------
RPI (4-4, 2-4)
Framingham State (5-5, 3-4)
Utica (4-5, 0-4) X /
Brockport State (3-6, 2-6) X

Records are overall followed by respective league records.  Line represents projected cut based on current NCAA Playoff berths, although line could be one or two levels too high (thus allowing one or two four-loss teams into the ECAC Bowls if two teams above line enter NCAA Playoffs).

* - Team could still win an NCAA berth.

+, / - Team plays against another team in the list in future game.

X - Team currently does not have record that would allow it to be considered (>=.500 overall or in league).

Six teams will be picked from the list of teams that file for consideration.  The deadline for consideration without late fee was THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH at 5pm EST.  

Teams will be selected by the ECAC Football Championships Committee on or about 11/15/09 (following selection of the NCAA Playoffs field).  Teams historically have been selected by win-loss record except when ties exist.  The #1 team hosts the #6 team, the #2 team hosts the #5 team and the #3 team hosts the #4 team, unless the higher-seeded team does not file to host the game.  All games begin at 12pm local time on 11/21/09.

Frank at this point I don't want you to change it because it may end up jinxing us, but you have never put the * by Fisher to indicate they could still make the NCAA's when all they have to do is beat Hartwick and pray Alfred chokes against Utica.  It's a stretch but it's not an ultra complicated scenario.  Pretty sure there is no way Springfield is making the NCAA's though.