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[Bombers798891]

ECAC Bowl (North Subregion) Update (Final List with Updated Records)

The following teams have applied for consideration for ECAC Championship games on 11/21/09 from the North Subregion of the ECAC:

Maine Maritime (8-1, 6-1) *
Alfred (7-1, 3-1) * /
Plymouth State (8-2, 6-1)
Union (7-2, 6-0) *
SUNY-Cortland (7-2, 7-2)
Springfield (7-2, 3-2) *
St. John Fisher (5-3, 3-1) +
Hartwick (5-3, 1-3) +
Gallaudet (6-4, 4-2)
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RPI (4-4, 2-4)
Framingham State (5-5, 3-4)
Utica (4-5, 0-4) X /
Brockport State (3-6, 2-6) X

Records are overall followed by respective league records.  Line represents projected cut based on current NCAA Playoff berths, although line could be one or two levels too high (thus allowing one or two four-loss teams into the ECAC Bowls if two teams above line enter NCAA Playoffs).

* - Team could still win an NCAA berth.

+, / - Team plays against another team in the list in future game.

X - Team currently does not have record that would allow it to be considered (>=.500 overall or in league).

Six teams will be picked from the list of teams that file for consideration.  The deadline for consideration without late fee was THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH at 5pm EST.  

Teams will be selected by the ECAC Football Championships Committee on or about 11/15/09 (following selection of the NCAA Playoffs field).  Teams historically have been selected by win-loss record except when ties exist.  The #1 team hosts the #6 team, the #2 team hosts the #5 team and the #3 team hosts the #4 team, unless the higher-seeded team does not file to host the game.  All games begin at 12pm local time on 11/21/09.

And how is Springfield still alive for a NCAA berth? Since they're 1-2 against the three teams they could wind up in a four-way tie with, what scenario is there that doesn't have them getting eliminated in the H2H step? They would be eliminated with Ithaca

[Yanks 99]

ECAC Bowl (North Subregion) Update (Final List with Updated Records)

The following teams have applied for consideration for ECAC Championship games on 11/21/09 from the North Subregion of the ECAC:

Maine Maritime (8-1, 6-1) *
Alfred (7-1, 3-1) * /
Plymouth State (8-2, 6-1)
Union (7-2, 6-0) *
SUNY-Cortland (7-2, 7-2)
Springfield (7-2, 3-2) *
St. John Fisher (5-3, 3-1) +
Hartwick (5-3, 1-3) +
Gallaudet (6-4, 4-2)
---------------------------
RPI (4-4, 2-4)
Framingham State (5-5, 3-4)
Utica (4-5, 0-4) X /
Brockport State (3-6, 2-6) X

Records are overall followed by respective league records.  Line represents projected cut based on current NCAA Playoff berths, although line could be one or two levels too high (thus allowing one or two four-loss teams into the ECAC Bowls if two teams above line enter NCAA Playoffs).

* - Team could still win an NCAA berth.

+, / - Team plays against another team in the list in future game.

X - Team currently does not have record that would allow it to be considered (>=.500 overall or in league).

Six teams will be picked from the list of teams that file for consideration.  The deadline for consideration without late fee was THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH at 5pm EST. 

Teams will be selected by the ECAC Football Championships Committee on or about 11/15/09 (following selection of the NCAA Playoffs field).  Teams historically have been selected by win-loss record except when ties exist.  The #1 team hosts the #6 team, the #2 team hosts the #5 team and the #3 team hosts the #4 team, unless the higher-seeded team does not file to host the game.  All games begin at 12pm local time on 11/21/09.

And how is Springfield still alive for a NCAA berth? Since they're 1-2 against the three teams they could wind up in a four-way tie with, what scenario is there that doesn't have them getting eliminated in the H2H step? They would be eliminated with Ithaca

Probably an oversight...they have no shot at the AQ...

My guess is he mixed up SJFC and SC on this one...

[Frank Rossi]

No oversight on my part, guys.  The latest Regional Rankings show that the Pool C order in the East are:  1) the winner of Albright/Leb Valley; and 2) Springfield.  The East will not go three deep for Pool C teams in the East, based on the number of eligible Pool C teams in the other regions.

[Yanks 99]

No oversight on my part, guys.  The latest Regional Rankings show that the Pool C order in the East are:  1) the winner of Albright/Leb Valley; and 2) Springfield.  The East will not go three deep for Pool C teams in the East, based on the number of eligible Pool C teams in the other regions.

I am not sure the regional rankings have that much weight...they didn't last year.  Not that I am arguing with your list.  SJFC still has a shot to "win an NCAA birth", although it is unlikely...it could happen.

[Frank Rossi]

No oversight on my part, guys.  The latest Regional Rankings show that the Pool C order in the East are:  1) the winner of Albright/Leb Valley; and 2) Springfield.  The East will not go three deep for Pool C teams in the East, based on the number of eligible Pool C teams in the other regions.

I am not sure the regional rankings have that much weight...they didn't last year.  Not that I am arguing with your list.  SJFC still has a shot to "win an NCAA birth", although it is unlikely...it could happen.

They have much more weight this year since Mike DeLong (Springfield Head Coach) and Joy Solomen (Rowan AD) co-chair the advisory committee that created the East Rankings.  This is because Solomen chairs the main Committee this year, and DeLong is a repeat member on the Committee.  I wouldn't add an asterisk to SJF based on the latest Regional Rankings.

[Yanks 99]

No oversight on my part, guys.  The latest Regional Rankings show that the Pool C order in the East are:  1) the winner of Albright/Leb Valley; and 2) Springfield.  The East will not go three deep for Pool C teams in the East, based on the number of eligible Pool C teams in the other regions.

I am not sure the regional rankings have that much weight...they didn't last year.  Not that I am arguing with your list.  SJFC still has a shot to "win an NCAA birth", although it is unlikely...it could happen.

They have much more weight this year since Mike DeLong (Springfield Head Coach) and Joy Solomen (Rowan AD) co-chair the advisory committee that created the East Rankings.  This is because Solomen chairs the main Committee this year, and DeLong is a repeat member on the Committee.  I wouldn't add an asterisk to SJF based on the latest Regional Rankings.

Good info on the committe...though it is stil to be seen how much impact it will have as it looks like they are going to ship in a bunch of teams to our region anyways.

Rankings or not though...SJFC can still get the E8 AQ...wouldn't that give them an automatic asterik?  Just trying to understand your system here.

[Frank Rossi]

I'll grant you that Yanks.  There never had been an asterisk on SJF before because of the low probability of a Pool A bid.  So, I didn't go back to add it after the Alfred loss to Ithaca.  Granted, what are the odds that Alfred loses to Ithaca and that SJF beats Hartwick?  The latter is reasonably high, but the former is reasonably low.  Put together, it's well below 50%.  I'd add the asterisk for the Pool A possibility, but not C.

[Yanks 99]

I'll grant you that Yanks.  There never had been an asterisk on SJF before because of the low probability of a Pool A bid.  So, I didn't go back to add it after the Alfred loss to Ithaca.  Granted, what are the odds that Alfred loses to Ithaca and that SJF beats Hartwick?  The latter is reasonably high, but the former is reasonably low.  Put together, it's well below 50%.  I'd add the asterisk for the Pool A possibility, but not C.

It's cool...just trying to make sure I understood everything.  Granted...it is unlikely, but the E8 has been full of surprises this year.  I also agree...no way SJFC gets a Pool C bid...but I also don't think SC will either.

[AUPepBand]

I'll grant you that Yanks.  There never had been an asterisk on SJF before because of the low probability of a Pool A bid.  So, I didn't go back to add it after the Alfred loss to Ithaca.  Granted, what are the odds that Alfred loses to Ithaca and that SJF beats Hartwick?  The latter is reasonably high, but the former is reasonably low.  Put together, it's well below 50%.  I'd add the asterisk for the Pool A possibility, but not C.

Does Alfred have to play ITHACA again this week?    

Pep had planned to go on a Moose hunt this Saterday.

[Frank Rossi]

I'll grant you that Yanks.  There never had been an asterisk on SJF before because of the low probability of a Pool A bid.  So, I didn't go back to add it after the Alfred loss to Ithaca.  Granted, what are the odds that Alfred loses to Ithaca and that SJF beats Hartwick?  The latter is reasonably high, but the former is reasonably low.  Put together, it's well below 50%.  I'd add the asterisk for the Pool A possibility, but not C.

Does Alfred have to play ITHACA again this week?    

Pep had planned to go on a Moose hunt this Saterday.

Lol... Sorry.  Alfred/Utica this weekend :-)

[SJFF82]

I'll grant you that Yanks.  There never had been an asterisk on SJF before because of the low probability of a Pool A bid.  So, I didn't go back to add it after the Alfred loss to Ithaca.  Granted, what are the odds that Alfred loses to Ithaca and that SJF beats Hartwick?  The latter is reasonably high, but the former is reasonably low.  Put together, it's well below 50%.  I'd add the asterisk for the Pool A possibility, but not C.

I pointed the "*" thing out 2 weeks ago Frank.  The confusion you are creating is that in the footnote it states that the "*" means the team could still make the NCAA.  It doesnt say "probably" or "likely".  While SJF is likely not to make it, they COULD.  

What about SC...they are out.  Does the "*" also mean that the corresponding team (SC) got their ass handed to them by a team (SJF) that likely wont, but could make the playoffs this year,  but maybe they both (SC and SJF) will make it next year?   

[SJFF82]

OK, all kiddin aside, I reread your replies Frank...so you think it looks like SC still has a shot at Pool C....that is crazy (not you, the ranking).  SC should have as much a chance at that as SJF.... .000000000000009

Same conference, SJF has better conference record today (and will remain if they beak Wick)

AU smacked SC, AU snuck by SJF

...and, uhm, SJF whooped the Pride on the road.  The stats were even more lopsided than the score.

Do you agree with the SC ranking?

[AUKaz00]

Pep had planned to go on a Moose hunt this Saterday.

Kaz00, Jr. loves the children's song "Going on a bear hunt" and I've convinced him to change the lyrics this week to this:

We're going on a moose hunt (going on a moose hunt)
Gonna catch a big one (gonna catch a big one)
With great, big antlers (with great, big antlers)
And a fuzzy little tail (and a fuzzy little tail)
Look over there (look over there)
It's a goal line defense (a goal line defense)
Can't go over it (can't go over it)
Can't go under it (can't go under it)
Can't go around it (can't go around it)
WE GOTTA GO THROUGH IT (GOTTA GO THROUGH IT)!!!

[Yanks 99]

Pep had planned to go on a Moose hunt this Saterday.

Kaz00, Jr. loves the children's song "Going on a bear hunt" and I've convinced him to change the lyrics this week to this:

We're going on a moose hunt (going on a moose hunt)
Gonna catch a big one (gonna catch a big one)
With great, big antlers (with great, big antlers)
And a fuzzy little tail (and a fuzzy little tail)
Look over there (look over there)
It's a goal line defense (a goal line defense)
Can't go over it (can't go over it)
Can't go under it (can't go under it)
Can't go around it (can't go around it)
WE GOTTA GO THROUGH IT (GOTTA GO THROUGH IT)!!!

Much like your fingerpaintings...this song sucks...

Before anyone goes crazy, it was a joke...

[dlippiel]

Do you agree with the SC ranking?

dlip sure does not and he was big on the Pride until their debacle against SJF. Honestly whatever anyone says dlip feels ****in SJF is a very good team "compared to the East Region." After SC had two chances to make a statement for legitiamate pool C consideration and they **** the bed on both.