FB: Empire 8

[Yanks 99]

Do you agree with the SC ranking?

dlip sure does not and he was big on the Pride until their debacle against SJF. Honestly whatever anyone says dlip feels ****in SJF is a very good team "compared to the East Region." After SC had two chances to make a statement for legitiamate pool C consideration and they **** the bed on both.

I agree with this...though I don't think that either team gets into the NCAA's with a Pool C bid...obviously SJFC can if Utica somehow beats Alfred this weekend...

[dlippiel]

Do you agree with the SC ranking?

dlip sure does not and he was big on the Pride until their debacle against SJF. Honestly whatever anyone says dlip feels ****in SJF is a very good team "compared to the East Region." After SC had two chances to make a statement for legitiamate pool C consideration and they **** the bed on both.

I agree with this...though I don't think that either team gets into the NCAA's with a Pool C bid...obviously SJFC can if Utica somehow beats Alfred this weekend...

You are right Yanks neither SJF or the Pride will get in if you were to ask dlip.

[SJFF82]

Do you agree with the SC ranking?

dlip sure does not and he was big on the Pride until their debacle against SJF. Honestly whatever anyone says dlip feels ****in SJF is a very good team "compared to the East Region." After SC had two chances to make a statement for legitiamate pool C consideration and they **** the bed on both.

I agree with this...though I don't think that either team gets into the NCAA's with a Pool C bid...obviously SJFC can if Utica somehow beats Alfred this weekend...

You are right Yanks neither SJF or the Pride will get in if you were to ask dlip.

correct...and to tie this into another discussion point...clearly the East is lacking Pool C candidates...as Pat so often throws in our faces  ...but why not import the 6,7 and or 8 seeds instead of the 1 seed as East bracket fillers.  DVC is a worthy #1....they are not MUC or UWW, but who is?  When you take 1's out of their own regions, you leave their region susceptable to the mediocrity you were trying to avoid.  Example....#7 Wheaton advanced right through the MUCless North in 08 into a final four bashing by none other than ....MUC!!!   If anything, you would pull a West team over...they have 5 undefeateds....I know, travels regs....but then that is the answer...leave the regions alone EXCEPT when a particular region lacks play-off quality teams altogether, like this years East.  Then under these circumstances, you simply fill up the bottom of the bracket with the other play-off contenders....I guess I feel that if you have 2 options such as a MUCless North, like last year where a #7 blows right thru it or an East with a good, but not great #1 (DVC) and a mediocre 2-7 behind them, then I take the latter....I mean, would it be a travesty if #1 DVC goes to the Final Four with a 13-1 record having lost only to Wesley....certainly beats #7 Wheaton in the Final Four now doesnt it??? My humble opinion...

thoughts?

[dlippiel]

I mean, would it be a travesty if #1 DVC goes to the Final Four with a 13-1 record having lost only to Wesley....certainly beats #7 Wheaton in the Final Four now doesnt it??? My humble opinion...

thoughts?

U89 said it best, if the brackets are going to get the top #4 teams as the top four seeds, like other tournaments, than it should be in bold ****ing print with no room for debate. This current system leaves a lot of room for debate and speculation regarding seeding, brackets, importation, and the possible regionalism of the brackets. Systems like this, that leave room for debate and speculation, deserve to be attacked and questioned by those who give a **** about the sport, division, and playoff situation. We ,as D3 fans see a lot of bull**** regarding rankings (AFCA poll and regional rankings) that we are accustomed to questioning things that either don't seem right or possibly hurt the teams and/or regions of play that we are passionate about.

[sjfcards]

OK, all kiddin aside, I reread your replies Frank...so you think it looks like SC still has a shot at Pool C....that is crazy (not you, the ranking).  SC should have as much a chance at that as SJF.... .000000000000009

Same conference, SJF has better conference record today (and will remain if they beak Wick)

AU smacked SC, AU snuck by SJF

...and, uhm, SJF whooped the Pride on the road.  The stats were even more lopsided than the score.

Do you agree with the SC ranking?

Also, if Fisher wins tihs weekend, regardless of what AU does, they can at least claim a share of the E8 title. Just saying, in an argument about who should and who should not, Head to head, conference record, and hardware are pretty convincing arguments.

[theoriginalupstate]

Who's up for a SJF vs Cortland ECAC game?

[bomber3]

Sounds good if pat is up for making a 2009 Cortajohn discussion board

[sjfcards]

Who's up for a SJF vs Cortland ECAC game?

I love the idea. I think that is the best matchup fans of either team could hope for. Two teams that are close talent wise. It could be a lot of fun if those teams were to meet up. I don't know who else Fisher would even play, but I didn't expect Fisher to go to Maine last year either.

[maxpower]

Cortajohn

What is that?? Cortland's leading export??

[sjfcards]

Cortajohn

What is that?? Cortland's leading export??

God I love Cortaca weekend. Ya don't get stuff like this in weeks 1-9.

[bleedpurple]

I mean, would it be a travesty if #1 DVC goes to the Final Four with a 13-1 record having lost only to Wesley....certainly beats #7 Wheaton in the Final Four now doesnt it??? My humble opinion...

thoughts?

U89 said it best, if the brackets are going to get the top #4 teams as the top four seeds, like other tournaments, than it should be in bold ****ing print with no room for debate. This current system leaves a lot of room for debate and speculation regarding seeding, brackets, importation, and the possible regionalism of the brackets. Systems like this, that leave room for debate and speculation, deserve to be attacked and questioned by those who give a **** about the sport, division, and playoff situation. We ,as D3 fans see a lot of bull**** regarding rankings (AFCA poll and regional rankings) that we are accustomed to questioning things that either don't seem right or possibly hurt the teams and/or regions of play that we are passionate about.

Yes. It should be in bold print. That's definitely the way to do a playoff. They should get it in writing. The first step in a credible playoff system is to identify the top 4 Teams and establish brackets from there. The regional part is only important so as to minimize travel. The inconsistency between the first Regional Rankings and the third Regional Rankings is kind of inexplicable. It seems that rigid criteria had to be used to establish the first rankings. As a result, the outcome was ridiculous. The worst thing the NCAA could do would be to use such rigid standards. The best four teams as #1, then build the brackets as fairly as you can while minimizing travel. But that SHOULD be in writing.

[Jonny Utah]

I mean, would it be a travesty if #1 DVC goes to the Final Four with a 13-1 record having lost only to Wesley....certainly beats #7 Wheaton in the Final Four now doesnt it??? My humble opinion...

thoughts?

U89 said it best, if the brackets are going to get the top #4 teams as the top four seeds, like other tournaments, than it should be in bold ****ing print with no room for debate. This current system leaves a lot of room for debate and speculation regarding seeding, brackets, importation, and the possible regionalism of the brackets. Systems like this, that leave room for debate and speculation, deserve to be attacked and questioned by those who give a **** about the sport, division, and playoff situation. We ,as D3 fans see a lot of bull**** regarding rankings (AFCA poll and regional rankings) that we are accustomed to questioning things that either don't seem right or possibly hurt the teams and/or regions of play that we are passionate about.

Yes. It should be in bold print. That's definitely the way to do a playoff. They should get it in writing. The first step in a credible playoff system is to identify the top 4 Teams and establish brackets from there. The regional part is only important so as to minimize travel. The inconsistency between the first Regional Rankings and the third Regional Rankings is kind of inexplicable. It seems that rigid criteria had to be used to establish the first rankings. As a result, the outcome was ridiculous. The worst thing the NCAA could do would be to use such rigid standards. The best four teams as #1, then build the brackets as fairly as you can while minimizing travel. But that SHOULD be in writing.

Sometimes rigid criteria in bold print is the worst way to go because there is no common sense involved when the "what if" happens.  I think this happened in the d3 lacrosse playoffs last year where I believe the rigid system hurt a team (Ithaca) miss the playoffs. 

[Bombers798891]

I mean, would it be a travesty if #1 DVC goes to the Final Four with a 13-1 record having lost only to Wesley....certainly beats #7 Wheaton in the Final Four now doesnt it??? My humble opinion...

thoughts?

U89 said it best, if the brackets are going to get the top #4 teams as the top four seeds, like other tournaments, than it should be in bold ****ing print with no room for debate. This current system leaves a lot of room for debate and speculation regarding seeding, brackets, importation, and the possible regionalism of the brackets. Systems like this, that leave room for debate and speculation, deserve to be attacked and questioned by those who give a **** about the sport, division, and playoff situation. We ,as D3 fans see a lot of bull**** regarding rankings (AFCA poll and regional rankings) that we are accustomed to questioning things that either don't seem right or possibly hurt the teams and/or regions of play that we are passionate about.

Yes. It should be in bold print. That's definitely the way to do a playoff. They should get it in writing. The first step in a credible playoff system is to identify the top 4 Teams and establish brackets from there. The regional part is only important so as to minimize travel. The inconsistency between the first Regional Rankings and the third Regional Rankings is kind of inexplicable. It seems that rigid criteria had to be used to establish the first rankings. As a result, the outcome was ridiculous. The worst thing the NCAA could do would be to use such rigid standards. The best four teams as #1, then build the brackets as fairly as you can while minimizing travel. But that SHOULD be in writing.

Sometimes rigid criteria in bold print is the worst way to go because there is no common sense involved when the "what if" happens.  I think this happened in the d3 lacrosse playoffs last year where I believe the rigid system hurt a team (Ithaca) miss the playoffs. 

IC Lax got screwed, but in typical IC Lax fashion, they also blew the conference tournament...

[dewcrew88]

Cortajohn

What is that?? Cortland's leading export??

I worked in Cortland for a year and a half... It's possible this could be the case. But I say nothing more.



(IT'S A JOKE!)

[Jonny Utah]

I mean, would it be a travesty if #1 DVC goes to the Final Four with a 13-1 record having lost only to Wesley....certainly beats #7 Wheaton in the Final Four now doesnt it??? My humble opinion...

thoughts?

U89 said it best, if the brackets are going to get the top #4 teams as the top four seeds, like other tournaments, than it should be in bold ****ing print with no room for debate. This current system leaves a lot of room for debate and speculation regarding seeding, brackets, importation, and the possible regionalism of the brackets. Systems like this, that leave room for debate and speculation, deserve to be attacked and questioned by those who give a **** about the sport, division, and playoff situation. We ,as D3 fans see a lot of bull**** regarding rankings (AFCA poll and regional rankings) that we are accustomed to questioning things that either don't seem right or possibly hurt the teams and/or regions of play that we are passionate about.

Yes. It should be in bold print. That's definitely the way to do a playoff. They should get it in writing. The first step in a credible playoff system is to identify the top 4 Teams and establish brackets from there. The regional part is only important so as to minimize travel. The inconsistency between the first Regional Rankings and the third Regional Rankings is kind of inexplicable. It seems that rigid criteria had to be used to establish the first rankings. As a result, the outcome was ridiculous. The worst thing the NCAA could do would be to use such rigid standards. The best four teams as #1, then build the brackets as fairly as you can while minimizing travel. But that SHOULD be in writing.

Sometimes rigid criteria in bold print is the worst way to go because there is no common sense involved when the "what if" happens.  I think this happened in the d3 lacrosse playoffs last year where I believe the rigid system hurt a team (Ithaca) miss the playoffs. 

IC Lax got screwed, but in typical IC Lax fashion, they also blew the conference tournament...

True, but I dont think the tourney champ should win the conference and get an auto bid.  It should be a chance for second place teams to show they might belong, but that wasn't right what happened last year.