FB: Empire 8

[Yanks 99]

Who cares about what teams did in the early 90's or before when comparing them to this year's team...hey did you know that Saint Lawrence made the National Semi-Finals in 1976, when they only took 8 teams in the tournament?  So because of this...SLU has more of a history then Hobart then, I assume...at least by your arguement.

Well than who gives a **** about what Wick did the past three seasons? This season they did not win their league or go to the NCAA's and Susquehanna won their league title. Dude, dlip roots for Wick a ton, but their overall body of work, in the past, and especially this year, is really not all that good. To suggest that their 07 team is comparable to this years Susquehanna is fair to an extent. Yet, if you consider that 07 team is the only team Wick ever had that could maybe have had a shot at winning the LL ever, than that is not saying  much. No one is saying that Susquehanna is a great team but they are definitely deserving of more respect than they are recieving.

Settle down dlip...when did I ever say Wick was great?  Where?  When?  I said we were comparable to Sus...that is it.  Who is disrespecting Sus.  So...comparing Wick to Sus is somehow disrespecting them?  That is ridiculous.

Dude, dlip settled hence deleting the post  We can agree to disagree but in dlip's opinion it is a disrespecting Susquehanna to say the year they win the LL are comparable to a Wick team that had a defense that resembled chicken cloth at best, lost to WNEC (dlip will never let that go he was so pissed) and gave up ****in 70 (49 in 4 Q's to Utica).

Hahaha...its all good...yes, our defense was awful...then by that account I find it disrespcting to 07 Wick to compare 09 Sus. when Sus. lost to a terrible MMA team, and had only an average offense compared to the greatest show on turf and an all-time D3 great!!!

Seriously...this is all in good fun, and I am completely not looking for any type of respect...you would have to be a dope to look for that on here.

Yanks +k for throwing in the MMA loss, dlip was waiting. Heading to Shocktown for the game on Sat?

Hahaha...I wish...I haven't been back to Union to see a game in a while...but with a 2 month old and a new house (that still needs to be finished painting), I think the odds of me getting down there are pretty long...which is too bad.  I also wish Boltus was behind center too...because we are going to have to play pretty well as it is to win.

Nice dude, dlip and Mrs. dlip are expecting their first, due date Dec 12, so basically anytime now

Congrats Dlip...I am hoping he/she sleeps through the night for you as quickly as possible...

[bomber3]

=Viper, how did IC fare against the Big Red in that scrimmage?

None of my sources were in attendance this year so I don't know.  Usually the scrimmage is pretty close for the first hour, then the size of Cornell's OLine an DLine wear out IC.

It isn't a game.  They play segments of controlled scrimmage.  IC on Offense for a set number of plays, same for Cornell, then Special Teams, then some specialty scenarios.

IC's better teams when I was in school had a lot of success against Cornell.  I doubt this year's team had the same sucess even though Cornell had a horrible year.

Not sure if anyone responded but they didn't play this year.  I think cornell backed out at the last minute for reasons I'm not sure.  They tried to schedule another one I believe against hobart but was unable.  They didn't need it though because the opener against st lawrence was pretty much a scrimmage anyways.

[maxpower]

They didn't need it though because the opener against st lawrence was pretty much a scrimmage anyways.

Not for Union...

[SJFF82]

AU has averaged 8 wins a year since 04...

SU has averaged 4 wins a year since 04...

See, I gotta do a better job of keeping up with the selection criteria. I didn't realize that teams were selected and ranked on their 6 year records. Scrotch THIS year was a good, but certainly not great, team. Alfred THIS year was a good, not great, team. If they don't get smoked by Ithaca I'd have called them a very good team. Both the LL and E8 were average leagues this year.

And I'm not sure either of us (LL fans or E8 fans) should be talking crap about each other, at this point it feels like determining the tallest midget.

Actually you just gotta read the posts all in context rather than cherry pick to try and be funny.  The thread was about Terd's comment that AU and Susq's rise to their respective conference titles were somehow similar.  The responses, like the one you responded to, were to illustrate that Susq. was a nobody for some time before this year and that AU was a 'player' for some time before this year....so of course, with that being the issue, the six year record are not only relevant but the answer to the question...go be funny about what is funny...Susq winning the LL...

[theoriginalupstate]

AU has averaged 8 wins a year since 04...

SU has averaged 4 wins a year since 04...

See, I gotta do a better job of keeping up with the selection criteria. I didn't realize that teams were selected and ranked on their 6 year records. Scrotch THIS year was a good, but certainly not great, team. Alfred THIS year was a good, not great, team. If they don't get smoked by Ithaca I'd have called them a very good team. Both the LL and E8 were average leagues this year.

And I'm not sure either of us (LL fans or E8 fans) should be talking crap about each other, at this point it feels like determining the tallest midget.

Actually you just gotta read the posts all in context rather than cherry pick to try and be funny.  The thread was about Terd's comment that AU and Susq's rise to their respective conference titles were somehow similar.  The responses, like the one you responded to, were to illustrate that Susq. was a nobody for some time before this year and that AU was a 'player' for some time before this year....so of course, with that being the issue, the six year record are not only relevant but the answer to the question...go be funny about what is funny...Susq winning the LL...

That's all I was saying but people took it as a dig towards the LL...

[pumkinattack]

Yes, but Alfred really never won a big game when it mattered before this year.  It's also a little bit of cherrry picking to start at 2004 for SUS because that's the year that AU suddenly started to put it together.  They had a particulaly bad three year stretch, but before that they were around .500 or better for prior five years and had been a playoff team in the past.  Hell, they're last year in the MAC they were 2-8, but beat 2nd place, 8-3 Del Val. 

It's kind of like Buff St. or Brockport winning the NJAC and everyone acting like its a joke ignoring that Brockport and Buff St. had some good history in the 90's and early this decade. 

There's no reason for an E8 fan to follow SUS (like I won't starting next year), but there's a big difference between SUS or UofR winning the LL and MMA/WPI/SLU winning it.  That's kind of the point I think the LL guys were making.  It's reasonable that SUS could win the league, particuarly in a balanced/down year for some of the "traditional" (and I use that term lightly for both Hobart and RPI) powers of the league. 

[Bombers798891]

Yes, but Alfred really never won a big game when it mattered before this year.  It's also a little bit of cherrry picking to start at 2004 for SUS because that's the year that AU suddenly started to put it together.  They had a particulaly bad three year stretch, but before that they were around .500 or better for prior five years and had been a playoff team in the past.  Hell, they're last year in the MAC they were 2-8, but beat 2nd place, 8-3 Del Val. 

It's kind of like Buff St. or Brockport winning the NJAC and everyone acting like its a joke ignoring that Brockport and Buff St. had some good history in the 90's and early this decade. 

There's no reason for an E8 fan to follow SUS (like I won't starting next year), but there's a big difference between SUS or UofR winning the LL and MMA/WPI/SLU winning it.  That's kind of the point I think the LL guys were making.  It's reasonable that SUS could win the league, particuarly in a balanced/down year for some of the "traditional" (and I use that term lightly for both Hobart and RPI) powers of the league. 

I think it depends how far back the good history goes. Buffalo State was last good in 2000. I mean, it's pretty pointless to say that Buff State's 1992-2000 somehow trumps the 2001-2009 and that it wouldn't be shocking if they won the NJAC next season. It would be a pretty monumental shocker.

[Yanks 99]

Yes, but Alfred really never won a big game when it mattered before this year.  It's also a little bit of cherrry picking to start at 2004 for SUS because that's the year that AU suddenly started to put it together.  They had a particulaly bad three year stretch, but before that they were around .500 or better for prior five years and had been a playoff team in the past.  Hell, they're last year in the MAC they were 2-8, but beat 2nd place, 8-3 Del Val. 

It's kind of like Buff St. or Brockport winning the NJAC and everyone acting like its a joke ignoring that Brockport and Buff St. had some good history in the 90's and early this decade. 

There's no reason for an E8 fan to follow SUS (like I won't starting next year), but there's a big difference between SUS or UofR winning the LL and MMA/WPI/SLU winning it.  That's kind of the point I think the LL guys were making.  It's reasonable that SUS could win the league, particuarly in a balanced/down year for some of the "traditional" (and I use that term lightly for both Hobart and RPI) powers of the league. 

Why is it cherry picking to start back at 2004?  How far back do you want to go?  1900?  1950??  5-6 years is a good time reference...at that point, there shouldn't be any players on the current team from before 04?

And why is there a big difference between Sus.-UofR and WPI-SLU-MMA???  What makes Sus. a perenial contender before this year?  From 04-09 here are the total number of wins:

Susquehana:  22
Rochester:  28
SLU:  19
WPI:  28
MMA: 17

So...how does Sus. not fall into the category of surpise when they have 3 and 5 more wins in the past 6 years then SLU and MMA respectively...and 6 less wins then WPI and Rochester? 

I mean...congrats to Susquehana...seriously.  They came out of nowhere to shock the LL and make the NCAA's.  I know the feeling being a Wick fan...but to act like they have this long standing, or even recent, tradition near the top of the MAC/LL is a bit far fetched.  It doesn't take away from their accomplishment...but from a program standpoint Alfred is much better over the past several years.

[AUKaz00]

Looks like Ralph Wilson finally woke up.  He's only 2 years late...

[Yanks 99]

Looks like Ralph Wilson finally woke up.  He's only 2 years late...

"Jauron was blindsided by the firing, an NFL source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter." 

How the hell was he blindsided by this?  That is like jumping off a diving board and then shocked when you hit water...

[pumkinattack]

Yes, but Alfred really never won a big game when it mattered before this year.  It's also a little bit of cherrry picking to start at 2004 for SUS because that's the year that AU suddenly started to put it together.  They had a particulaly bad three year stretch, but before that they were around .500 or better for prior five years and had been a playoff team in the past.  Hell, they're last year in the MAC they were 2-8, but beat 2nd place, 8-3 Del Val. 

It's kind of like Buff St. or Brockport winning the NJAC and everyone acting like its a joke ignoring that Brockport and Buff St. had some good history in the 90's and early this decade. 

There's no reason for an E8 fan to follow SUS (like I won't starting next year), but there's a big difference between SUS or UofR winning the LL and MMA/WPI/SLU winning it.  That's kind of the point I think the LL guys were making.  It's reasonable that SUS could win the league, particuarly in a balanced/down year for some of the "traditional" (and I use that term lightly for both Hobart and RPI) powers of the league. 

Why is it cherry picking to start back at 2004?  How far back do you want to go?  1900?  1950??  5-6 years is a good time reference...at that point, there shouldn't be any players on the current team from before 04?

And why is there a big difference between Sus.-UofR and WPI-SLU-MMA???  What makes Sus. a perenial contender before this year?  From 04-09 here are the total number of wins:

Susquehana:  22
Rochester:  28
SLU:  19
WPI:  28
MMA: 17

So...how does Sus. not fall into the category of surpise when they have 3 and 5 more wins in the past 6 years then SLU and MMA respectively...and 6 less wins then WPI and Rochester? 

I mean...congrats to Susquehana...seriously.  They came out of nowhere to shock the LL and make the NCAA's.  I know the feeling being a Wick fan...but to act like they have this long standing, or even recent, tradition near the top of the MAC/LL is a bit far fetched.  It doesn't take away from their accomplishment...but from a program standpoint Alfred is much better over the past several years.

I give up, you're clearly an expert on the LL and all the rest of the region too.  WPI is 11-30 in 5 years in the LL and 17-0 in OOC against all NEFC competition.

[Yanks 99]

Yes, but Alfred really never won a big game when it mattered before this year.  It's also a little bit of cherrry picking to start at 2004 for SUS because that's the year that AU suddenly started to put it together.  They had a particulaly bad three year stretch, but before that they were around .500 or better for prior five years and had been a playoff team in the past.  Hell, they're last year in the MAC they were 2-8, but beat 2nd place, 8-3 Del Val. 

It's kind of like Buff St. or Brockport winning the NJAC and everyone acting like its a joke ignoring that Brockport and Buff St. had some good history in the 90's and early this decade. 

There's no reason for an E8 fan to follow SUS (like I won't starting next year), but there's a big difference between SUS or UofR winning the LL and MMA/WPI/SLU winning it.  That's kind of the point I think the LL guys were making.  It's reasonable that SUS could win the league, particuarly in a balanced/down year for some of the "traditional" (and I use that term lightly for both Hobart and RPI) powers of the league. 

Why is it cherry picking to start back at 2004?  How far back do you want to go?  1900?  1950??  5-6 years is a good time reference...at that point, there shouldn't be any players on the current team from before 04?

And why is there a big difference between Sus.-UofR and WPI-SLU-MMA???  What makes Sus. a perenial contender before this year?  From 04-09 here are the total number of wins:

Susquehana:  22
Rochester:  28
SLU:  19
WPI:  28
MMA: 17

So...how does Sus. not fall into the category of surpise when they have 3 and 5 more wins in the past 6 years then SLU and MMA respectively...and 6 less wins then WPI and Rochester? 

I mean...congrats to Susquehana...seriously.  They came out of nowhere to shock the LL and make the NCAA's.  I know the feeling being a Wick fan...but to act like they have this long standing, or even recent, tradition near the top of the MAC/LL is a bit far fetched.  It doesn't take away from their accomplishment...but from a program standpoint Alfred is much better over the past several years.

I give up, you're clearly an expert on the LL and all the rest of the region too.  WPI is 11-30 in 5 years in the LL and 17-0 in OOC against all NEFC competition.

Right...because Susquehana's steller finishes in the league before this year are just as impressive :

04: Tied for 7th place
05: 10th place
06: Tied for 7th place
07: Tied for 6th place
08: 5th place

No one is saying they are a bad team this year...I already said it, congrats to them and if Alfred cannot knock off MUC at some point and win the East (as unlikely as that is), I hope it is Susquehana...you just keep playing them up like they are always in and around the league championship discussion...and it just isn't true.

[theoriginalupstate]

Looks like Ralph Wilson finally woke up.  He's only 2 years late...

"Jauron was blindsided by the firing, an NFL source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter." 

How the hell was he blindsided by this?  That is like jumping off a diving board and then shocked when you hit water...

This is an early Christmas present for me!!

Jauron is so oblivious to everything that I'm pretty sure he's blindsided daily when the sun goes down...

[Yanks 99]

Looks like Ralph Wilson finally woke up.  He's only 2 years late...

"Jauron was blindsided by the firing, an NFL source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter." 

How the hell was he blindsided by this?  That is like jumping off a diving board and then shocked when you hit water...

This is an early Christmas present for me!!

Jauron is so oblivious to everything that I'm pretty sure he's blindsided daily when the sun goes down...

I am not a Bills fan...but congrats...he had to go.  Again...how could he possibly be blindsided by this???

[Knightstalker]

Looks like Ralph Wilson finally woke up.  He's only 2 years late...

"Jauron was blindsided by the firing, an NFL source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter." 

How the hell was he blindsided by this?  That is like jumping off a diving board and then shocked when you hit water...

This is an early Christmas present for me!!

Jauron is so oblivious to everything that I'm pretty sure he's blindsided daily when the sun goes down...

Maybe he figured that as long as Mangini was employed by the Browns everyone else in the NFL was safe.