FB: Empire 8

[Jonny Utah]

Enough of this incident people will not describe.  Instead, let us conduct a lucid conversation based on a worthwhile argument...something that is really divisive by nature since points could be made to support either side.  Obviously I am referring to this being the year Fisher dominates Mount Union. 


And discuss...

Booby, SJF does not play Mt. Union in golf this year.

[fisheralum91]

Enough of this incident people will not describe.  Instead, let us conduct a lucid conversation based on a worthwhile argument...something that is really divisive by nature since points could be made to support either side.  Obviously I am referring to this being the year Fisher dominates Mount Union.  


And discuss...

Booby, SJF does not play Mt. Union in golf this year.

YET

[sjfcards]

If they are playing golf I think we could take them.

[SJFF82]

My comments were misconstrued.  I meant how the school handled it with the media not how the media delivered it.

I figured that's what you meant -- I wasn't trying to go Frank Rossi on you specifically, but I wanted to give my take on the issue since it's not the last time we're going to see a program having to do damage control unfortunately.  I'm curious, though, how YOU feel it could've been handled better.

It could have been handled better by clarifying the facts to limit speculation and limit the players' names getting dragged through the mud.  The rampant speculation surrounding hazing are simply not true and any manner in which the administration handled it while avoiding the speculation and damage to the players' reputations would have been better (internal suspensions, one quarter or series suspension, community service, NO punishment, clarifying the facts, etc.).  The fact such a severe punishment was handed down to such a wide base without ANY explanation feeds/fed the media fire, and rightfully so.

A few posts on d3.com post patterns about an incident that probably happens in some fashion or another hundreds of times a season around the country, does not a media fire create.  

IMHO, this discussion is a prime example of the internet age of overblown 'reporting'.  I mean, really, does anyone really care about a hazing incident at a d3 football program, other than 'us'?

Besides...what right do 'we' have to know and what obligation does Ithaca have to satiate a few posters on here about what 'really' happened?  Afterall, IC is a private institution.  

[SJFF82]

If they are playing golf I think we could take them.

if not, when we make a putt (down 30 strokes), we could take MUC's putters and beat them on the ball washers like we are playing the drums.

[Bombers798891]

My comments were misconstrued.  I meant how the school handled it with the media not how the media delivered it.

I figured that's what you meant -- I wasn't trying to go Frank Rossi on you specifically, but I wanted to give my take on the issue since it's not the last time we're going to see a program having to do damage control unfortunately.  I'm curious, though, how YOU feel it could've been handled better.

It could have been handled better by clarifying the facts to limit speculation and limit the players' names getting dragged through the mud.  The rampant speculation surrounding hazing are simply not true and any manner in which the administration handled it while avoiding the speculation and damage to the players' reputations would have been better (internal suspensions, one quarter or series suspension, community service, NO punishment, clarifying the facts, etc.).  The fact such a severe punishment was handed down to such a wide base without ANY explanation feeds/fed the media fire, and rightfully so.

A few posts on d3.com post patterns about an incident that probably happens in some fashion or another hundreds of times a season around the country, does not a media fire create.  

IMHO, this discussion is a prime example of the internet age of overblown 'reporting'.  I mean, really, does anyone really care about a hazing incident at a d3 football program, other than 'us'?

Besides...what right do 'we' have to know and what obligation does Ithaca have to satiate a few posters on here about what 'really' happened?  Afterall, IC is a private institution.  

I mostly agree with this statement. Sure, it's just a D-III school, and no, Ithaca's responsibility as an institution does not lie with satiating us.

I do think however, that there should be a general media policy of openness regarding these sorts of issues, if only because it's, again, in general, a pretty bad idea to invite in rampant speculation surrounding any controversial situation. Sure, in this case, who does it really effect? But it's more a matter of uniformity

[fisheralum91]

Look at 82 pulling out the sat verbage....
Well played for the use of satiate in a sentence.
Dirty Johnny woulda said "Satiate, Hmmm. My Mom Satiate too much pie and thats why she is fat....Satiate....

[Bombers798891]

Man, this week just looks so depressing for the E8. What's there to even talk about? With the exception of IC, pretty much everyone's going to pick up a win, which will signify nothing.

It's going to be very interesting at Butterfield this weekend. The Bombers played Union pretty tough last season up there, and frankly, that team was nothing to write home about. I do think Ithaca needs to keep the score in the 24-21 range, because I just don't have the confidence in that OL/QB situation that they can hang with a good offensive team.

According to the depth chart, Union's two DT's for the game are 275 and 265 and the ends are 245 and 220. The SLU DT's ranged from 250-260 and the top DE was 210, so I can't say I like that. Ithaca's going to need to rely on the pass to win this one because I don't like the battle in the trenches. Defensively, Ithaca's going to have to use their speed to disrupt the Union offense

[theoriginalupstate]

I think the Bombers need to come out throwing, early and often to soften up Union's D and then sneak in runs out of shotgun and single back formations to catch them off guard...

Unless the IC O-Line plays 100 times better than they did vs the Larries they're not going to be able to line up and run straight at them out of a two back set...

[sjfcards]

I agree it is a fairly dull looking week on paper for the E8, but that Ithaca game will make up for some of that. I think it will be very tough for IC to win with that O line, but I expect a tight game down to the wire.

[Touch The Rock]

Hey fellas

Sorry I've been missing.  I was in Ithaca all weekend watching the Bombers "Monkey Stomp" (That's what you guys say here, right) last SatErday.  I know the game has already been recapped so I won't do that.  With that many new starters, I expected that slow start.  There's nothing like the first time you get to start at Butterfield, it's almost overwhelming.  I think the late big runs were huge for the o-line's confidence. 

In terms of the suspensions, it's tough anytime someone gets suspended and even more so in a situation like this.  The truth is, the captains were taking the fall for things that were started well before they were captains.  It was probably a matter of time.  But, they've gotten past that and can now look forward.

So, how about those Dutchmen?  I don't think it is a stretch at all to say that Union's RB Chris (Cooley dlip?) Coney is a huge reason why the Bombers when back to the 3-4 defense.  I look forward to watching the Bombers linebacking crew vs. U's backfield.   That's where the game hinges, I believe if you stop  Coney, you stop Union.  I was pretty impressed with ICs defense.  Granted, the Larries are no powerhouse, and you need to be able to shut those kinds of teams down.  They did just that. 

The offense struggled, no doubt.  But, IC's offense is designed to average at least 17-21 points a game.  Sure, sometimes they don't reach that threshold, but it's a very versatile offense that can do some many things it's hard to defend/game plan all of them.  Union has had a few weeks to prepare though, so look for that to factor in as well.  Also. don't forget that 3 of the Bombers biggest playmakers didn't play.  Look for IC to really have some star power back.  The o-line always takes the most time to mesh, look for the to being playing with a little more confidence and swagger after putting up 33 and rushing for over 100 yards. 

Prediction: IC 24- U- 21

[theoriginalupstate]

But, IC's offense is designed to average at least 17-21 points a game. 

So that's why Fisher has been kicking the crap out of them lately...

Might want to send Coach Welch a memo to design an offense that scores more than Fisher...

[Bombers798891]

But, IC's offense is designed to average at least 17-21 points a game. 

So that's why Fisher has been kicking the crap out of them lately...

Might want to send Coach Welch a memo to design an offense that scores more than Fisher...

We used to have those. But at least we never lost to Norwich

[theoriginalupstate]

But, IC's offense is designed to average at least 17-21 points a game. 

So that's why Fisher has been kicking the crap out of them lately...

Might want to send Coach Welch a memo to design an offense that scores more than Fisher...

We used to have those. But at least we never lost to Norwich

Curry...

26-21...

I'll just leave it at that...

[Bombers798891]

But, IC's offense is designed to average at least 17-21 points a game. 

So that's why Fisher has been kicking the crap out of them lately...

Might want to send Coach Welch a memo to design an offense that scores more than Fisher...

The interesting thing is, Ithaca's gone 32-7 in the four years+ since they beat Fisher against everyone else. Fisher's gone 34-11 against everyone else. Taking into account the losses the two teams have suffered to MUC, it's 32-6 and 34-7 against, what essentially is "the field." in D-III

Of course, Fisher's had a pair of deep playoff runs, which puts them over the top. But it's interesting how similar the two teams are once you get them off the same field. It's almost like the IC/Alfred dynamic. Similar overall records, with the difference mainly being the H2H dynamic (and I guess, playoff success, although in the Ithaca case, it's more about qualifying than winning