FB: Empire 8

[BoSox0322]

Whats UC's quarterback's name?

SJF 42 14

[Bombers798891]

The UC "arriving" discussion is basically the same discussion as we were having about SJF before 2004...

Yeah, and just like in 2004, if utica beats SJF on a BS call in the endzone, we're going to have to hear about how they've "arrived for real" when it will still be BS. IMHO, you've arrived when you do something consistently, not when you are Hartwick in the playoffs and then drop right off.

Like taking Ithaca behind the woodshed 5 of the last 6 years???

Oh you're a Fisher fan now? Don't blame you, Hartwick is beyond hope.

Nope...still a Wick fan...you threw a barb, I threw one back.  Either way, we still have more wins over SJF over the past 6 years then IC does.

Nothing personal Max...

Sadly for you, you then have to play the other teams on your schedule...including us

Not as sad as pretending you have a shot on October 9th...

A) You're talking to the guy who has said half a dozen times that Fisher's going to kill them. I don't know that ANY Bomber fan has, on these boards, expressed confidence in that game

B) I guess if you're a Hartwick fan, you have to have other teams beat Ithaca for you. Kind of like the little brother whose big brother has to do the fighting for him. Sadly, I think Fisher won't be there to do your dirty work tomorrow

You may be the resident IC cynic, but nobody is buying all the "we suck" and "we cant beat Fisher" ranting.  If AU and Wick nip us every other year, then obviously IC can and will (do) again soon.

It is nice though to have no expectations....takes all the pressure off huh?

Obviously we'll beat Fisher again. I've never said it's hopeless forever. But after four straight blowout losses, three straight losses at Fisher, with the Bombers' well-documented issues running the ball, and Bailey throwing for four touchdowns a game, is there some piece of information that slides into IC's favor for this game, other than "It's Ithaca"? Because, despite my handle, I'm not a believer in the Ithaca name carrying much weight. At least not any more. I prefer to look at two things:

1) Is the talent level even--or at least similar?

2) If yes, are there other factors that can tilt the scales? Home field, coaching, grass/turf, historical struggles etc.

So let's go through it:

1) Is the talent level even, or similar?

I don't think so. Fisher's got better athletes than Ithaca, especially along the offensive line. The Bombers' defense is much improved, but the offense is struggling and the running game is terrible. Bailey is lighting up the scoreboard, and while the defense may be better than anything he's seen so far, it's not otherworldly.

2) Other factors:

Home Field: Yours
Grass/Turf: The Bombers have always played better on grass
Coaching: The second halves of the last four games seem to illustrate that one team adjusts better than the other
Historical Struggles: Bill Struzzi isn't walking through that door. 2005 was a long time ago.

I'm trying to think of one thing the Bombers do better than Fisher. I guess, stats-wise, defense stands out, but I remember the 2006 game too well. The Bombers had a shiny new 3-4 defense that had allowed 33 points in three games, and then shut out Fisher in the first half, allowing just 50 yards.

Apparently, it took Vosburg 20 minutes to figure it out because the second half saw 34 points and 285 yards. Every single drive was a TD, except for the one where the clock ran out.

I am a cynic, but in this case, I'm backed up by a rather compelling--and large--stable of evidence

love it....great post overall.  This is why YOU can get away with the "ithaca sucks" mantra....because you are witty and break it down at the same time.   As you know, despite the scales being tipped on paper, they still have to play the games.  The same advantages SJF appears to have are the same ones they have had and then some in losses to Wick, AU and Norwich,,,,so ya never know.

Well put, and make no mistake that I will be rooting for IC and will be upset if they lose. Believe me, if I had been on these boards in 2004, I'd have given you a nice breakdown of why IC was going to smite Fisher.

I tend to be of the Denzel Washington in Training Day mindset: "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove!" And I challenge the Bombers, every year, to prove it to me.

But your last comment brings to mind another movie quote from And the Band Played On: "I can't prove that the sun won't turn into a bran muffin tomorrow."

If IC starts to win again though, are we going to have to pretend there wasn't football at Fisher again? You know, kind of like we pretend it didn't happen before 2004?  

[IC Fan] : Yeah, about your [media guide]... uh, I'm not seeing anything about [The Ithaca games from the early the late 1990's-2000's]. There's just a big gap.

[Fisher Fan]: Everyone vas on vacation. On your left is Munich's first city hall, erected in 15...

[IC Fan] : Wait, what are you talking about? [Ithaca beat Fisher in 2001 and...]

[Fisher fan]: We were [on vacation]. Punch vas served. Check vit Poland.

[IC Fan] : You can't just ignore those years.

[Fisher Fan]: I vill hear no more insinuations about the [Fisher team] Nothing bad happened. Sie werden sich hinsetzen. Sie werden ruhig sein. Sie werden nicht beleidigen [Fisher]. You will sit down. You will shut up. You will not insult [Fisher]."

[AUPepBand]

The E8 boards are smokin'! On the contrary, Pep has those LL posters watching Alfred-Union football highlights from a game in November 1968.

[Yanks 99]

The UC "arriving" discussion is basically the same discussion as we were having about SJF before 2004...

Yeah, and just like in 2004, if utica beats SJF on a BS call in the endzone, we're going to have to hear about how they've "arrived for real" when it will still be BS. IMHO, you've arrived when you do something consistently, not when you are Hartwick in the playoffs and then drop right off.

Like taking Ithaca behind the woodshed 5 of the last 6 years???

Oh you're a Fisher fan now? Don't blame you, Hartwick is beyond hope.

Nope...still a Wick fan...you threw a barb, I threw one back.  Either way, we still have more wins over SJF over the past 6 years then IC does.

Nothing personal Max...

Sadly for you, you then have to play the other teams on your schedule...including us

Not as sad as pretending you have a shot on October 9th...

A) You're talking to the guy who has said half a dozen times that Fisher's going to kill them. I don't know that ANY Bomber fan has, on these boards, expressed confidence in that game

B) I guess if you're a Hartwick fan, you have to have other teams beat Ithaca for you. Kind of like the little brother whose big brother has to do the fighting for him. Sadly, I think Fisher won't be there to do your dirty work tomorrow

You may be the resident IC cynic, but nobody is buying all the "we suck" and "we cant beat Fisher" ranting.  If AU and Wick nip us every other year, then obviously IC can and will (do) again soon.

It is nice though to have no expectations....takes all the pressure off huh?

Obviously we'll beat Fisher again. I've never said it's hopeless forever. But after four straight blowout losses, three straight losses at Fisher, with the Bombers' well-documented issues running the ball, and Bailey throwing for four touchdowns a game, is there some piece of information that slides into IC's favor for this game, other than "It's Ithaca"? Because, despite my handle, I'm not a believer in the Ithaca name carrying much weight. At least not any more. I prefer to look at two things:

1) Is the talent level even--or at least similar?

2) If yes, are there other factors that can tilt the scales? Home field, coaching, grass/turf, historical struggles etc.

So let's go through it:

1) Is the talent level even, or similar?

I don't think so. Fisher's got better athletes than Ithaca, especially along the offensive line. The Bombers' defense is much improved, but the offense is struggling and the running game is terrible. Bailey is lighting up the scoreboard, and while the defense may be better than anything he's seen so far, it's not otherworldly.

2) Other factors:

Home Field: Yours
Grass/Turf: The Bombers have always played better on grass
Coaching: The second halves of the last four games seem to illustrate that one team adjusts better than the other
Historical Struggles: Bill Struzzi isn't walking through that door. 2005 was a long time ago.

I'm trying to think of one thing the Bombers do better than Fisher. I guess, stats-wise, defense stands out, but I remember the 2006 game too well. The Bombers had a shiny new 3-4 defense that had allowed 33 points in three games, and then shut out Fisher in the first half, allowing just 50 yards.

Apparently, it took Vosburg 20 minutes to figure it out because the second half saw 34 points and 285 yards. Every single drive was a TD, except for the one where the clock ran out.

I am a cynic, but in this case, I'm backed up by a rather compelling--and large--stable of evidence

love it....great post overall.  This is why YOU can get away with the "ithaca sucks" mantra....because you are witty and break it down at the same time.   As you know, despite the scales being tipped on paper, they still have to play the games.  The same advantages SJF appears to have are the same ones they have had and then some in losses to Wick, AU and Norwich,,,,so ya never know.

Well put, and make no mistake that I will be rooting for IC and will be upset if they lose. Believe me, if I had been on these boards in 2004, I'd have given you a nice breakdown of why IC was going to smite Fisher.

I tend to be of the Denzel Washington in Training Day mindset: "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove!" And I challenge the Bombers, every year, to prove it to me.

But your last comment brings to mind another movie quote from And the Band Played On: "I can't prove that the sun won't turn into a bran muffin tomorrow."

If IC starts to win again though, are we going to have to pretend there wasn't football at Fisher again? You know, kind of like we pretend it didn't happen before 2004?  

[IC Fan] : Yeah, about your [media guide]... uh, I'm not seeing anything about [The Ithaca games from the early the late 1990's-2000's]. There's just a big gap.

[Fisher Fan]: Everyone vas on vacation. On your left is Munich's first city hall, erected in 15...

[IC Fan] : Wait, what are you talking about? [Ithaca beat Fisher in 2001 and...]

[Fisher fan]: We were [on vacation]. Punch vas served. Check vit Poland.

[IC Fan] : You can't just ignore those years.

[Fisher Fan]: I vill hear no more insinuations about the [Fisher team] Nothing bad happened. Sie werden sich hinsetzen. Sie werden ruhig sein. Sie werden nicht beleidigen [Fisher]. You will sit down. You will shut up. You will not insult [Fisher]."

+k...nice Family Guy play...

[SJFF82]

Bombers....we'll just talk about when we used to beat Catholic and Galludet instead.

[maxpower]

+k, excellent spelling on the German Bombers....

Leider wäre Fisher Fans nicht ruhig...



on a related note, edit down the quotes in your posts guys, it's not that hard.

[Pat Coleman]

Bombers....we'll just talk about when we used to beat Catholic and Galludet instead.

Not including the one you forfeited back to Catholic, I assume.

[AUKaz00]

Actually, AU has "nipped" Fisher 3 out of the last 5 years.  I can't wait for October 23.

On Saxon Warriors!!

I think you can take the quotation marks of the word nipped considering those 3 wins were by a total of 12 points...

Can we get an official vote from the E8PP - Since those 3 wins were only by an average of 4 points, one of those should count as a win for Fisher, right?

Luckily for Cardinal fans, my college roommate is coming to Mayberry for the 10/23 clash (of the unbeatens?) and he has an horrendous record while attending Saxon games.  The good news for the Saxons, we have a chance against Ithaca this year!

[AUPepBand]

Bombers....we'll just talk about when we used to beat Catholic and Galludet instead.

Not including the one you forfeited back to Catholic, I assume.

Catholic got a forfeit win from Fisher, too? Pep thought it was only AU. Was that in 1995, Pat?

[Bombers798891]

+k, excellent spelling on the German Bombers....

Leider wäre Fisher Fans nicht ruhig...



on a related note, edit down the quotes in your posts guys, it's not that hard.

I've tried that and always mess it up when getting rid of the HTML at the top...is there something I'm screwing up? (I feel like a Cortland grad)

[Pat Coleman]

Yes.

[maxpower]

I've tried that and always mess it up when getting rid of the HTML at the top...is there something I'm screwing up? (I feel like a Cortland grad)

The top {quote} link is the most recent post, second from top is second-most-recent, etc. I usually just highlight everything from above what I want to quote, up to the {quote author=person who posted it}, usually the top one.

Not sure if that helps...

[Bombers798891]

Yes.

Brief as always. Would the trick be something you'd care to share?

[Bombers798891]

I've tried that and always mess it up when getting rid of the HTML at the top...is there something I'm screwing up? (I feel like a Cortland grad)

The top {quote} link is the most recent post, second from top is second-most-recent, etc. I usually just highlight everything from above what I want to quote, up to the {quote author=person who posted it}, usually the top one.

Not sure if that helps...

Much thanks

[Pat Coleman]

Yes was in response to Pep, who asked me a direct question. You snuck in the middle.

I apologize again for not directly addressing Pep, but again, it's good to assume that not every post is directed toward you.