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[fisheralum91]

Ok then,
Let me ask you this then.
If the poll(s) are out there, where do the regional rankings come from?
Is that the Ncaa?
And if it is who makes up the group that selects the regional rankings.
Where do they then get their information on teams from?

[Pat Coleman]

The polls are definitely meaningless when it comes to the NCAA selection committee. 

Yeah the only thing that's relevant to the NCAA playoffs is the regional rankings...

This site's poll is extremely accurate, compared to the other ones out there, but the NCAA doesn't use Pat's poll (insert witty joke here) as a tool (feel free to do it again) to determine playoff seeds...

+1 for making me laugh on a Monday.

91 -- sounds like you might want to read up on our FAQ:

http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs

[Bombers798891]

Well here is a question.
If the polls do indeed carry some weight, why then do some programs ie Fisher and Alfred not get as much preseason love, therefore making it virtually impossible to crack the top 10 even if they go undefeated simply because someone ahead of them started out with a higher rank and never lost either.
Who is to say who is better?

And remember, with the whole Pool A, B, C things, it's not always about who's *better* when it comes to the NCAA's. The tournament doesn't have the 32 *best* teams every season. There are teams who miss out on Pool C bids who are better than other teams who get Pool A bids (Happened to Cortland a few years back I believe). There are Pool B teams that are independents who may or may not be better than the Pool A teams as well.

This is really true in all sports (Like the NFC West, the NBA/NHL's Eastern Conference) but especially in college, with auto-bids, it's always tough to get the "best" teams in there

[sjfcards]

The polls are definitely meaningless when it comes to the NCAA selection committee.  

As they should be. Preseason polls are beauty contests and are largely based on what a team did last year plus what the teams reputation is. I think Pat and the boys do a great job of getting the polls correct, but every year there are teams that are ranked high to start the year that fall out quickly, and teams that start out unranked that climb the polls all season long. A team should not be punished because a group of voters did not know what the team really had back in August. Teams should be judged based on their body of work over a full season (ideally with set criteria for each team).

In DI, without a playoff, it is a problem but there is really no great way to solve it (short of starting a playoff), but in DIII all arguments can typically be put to rest by playing on the field. The only way to screw that up is to start making decisions on half information.

I would hate to see any team with a claim to a playoff spot be denied simply because no one expected them to be good.

[Doid23]

The polls are definitely meaningless when it comes to the NCAA selection committee. 

but the NCAA doesn't use Pat's poll (insert witty joke here) as a tool (feel free to do it again) to determine playoff seeds...

No more K to give, but that's just funny.

[clandfan]

Been reading with interest as you all have been busy this afternoon....But...it is way too early for this.  Sure it's fun to consider but I'm thinking y'all got a little too much time.  I'm liking the Cortland respect being given but we have a long way to go yet.  Rowan, Montclair, IC in the next 5 weeks.  Right now we can't afford to look beyond Rowan.  We will soon find out how good we really are.

If any of you are interested...check out youtube and search Cortland football 2010.  Some outstanding music video productions there.

[theoriginalupstate]

Been reading with interest as you all have been busy this afternoon....But...it is way too early for this.  Sure it's fun to consider but I'm thinking y'all got a little too much time.  I'm liking the Cortland respect being given but we have a long way to go yet.  Rowan, Montclair, IC in the next 5 weeks.  Right now we can't afford to look beyond Rowan.  We will soon find out how good we really are.

If any of you are interested...check out youtube and search Cortland football 2010.  Some outstanding music video productions there.

The fan's can look ahead all they want...

If the players start doing it, it's a different story...

[clandfan]

fair enough.

[fisheralum91]

Sorry Pat,
I much prefer playing ignorant

[boobyhasgameyo]

You know something I've been meaning to bring up about Fisher's offense...I'd be interested to see what their stats are for conversions on 3rd and long.  It just feels like to me everytime Fisher is facing like a 3rd and 15 they convert it.  It is to the point where I actually expect them to convert a 3rd and long more so than a 3rd and 4 lets say because it forces us to throw it deep and really nobody can stop Fisher when that happens.  Anybody else get a warm and fuzzy feeling on those 3rd and longs as well? 

[bomber3]

b3-
I understand the angst but wow.
you have a real hatred for Fisher.
Most of us get along and wish each other the best ooc and post season.
Is it only because Fisher has owned IC in the recent past or is it deeper?

Maybe it was a little bit bitter.     But really its nothing personal but I would just rather see someone else win.  Do Yankee fans want the Red Sox to win the division if they can't?  No, they prefer Tampa Bay (Alfred), Toronto (Springfield), or Baltimore (Utica).  Hartwick...we'll call them the Royals.  Like I said, its nothing personal, I just don't like Fisher and never have.  Stems from the basketball days probably; some teams/players just rub you the wrong way.  Nothing wrong with it just makes the game that much more interesting!  I don't wish ill will just hope the scoreboard reads more for Fisher's opponent...

[bomber3]

Upstate - Well played...
I am not a salt in the wound kind of guy- but



Screw Ithaca..............


enjoy at least a  3 loss season

Oh come on- that was only aimed at 2 of you ic faithful



82- great to see you and the fam!

I can take the knock and if I could go back this week I say the same thing.  Screw Fisher last week, this week, and next week!  A lot of people here want to see Fisher run the table and get the top seed but don't include me in that group.  I'll be rooting for Hartwick, Alfred, Frostburg, and Springfield the next month.  Its really not about being bitter either.  If we won by 50 yesterday I would say the same thing.  Oh well at least we have a 3 game winning streak against Cortland that we can look forward to extending...

Why the hatred for Fisher?  Did they reject your application for admission or something?

Doubtful:

Middle 50% of incoming freshman SAT scores:
Fisher 1450-1730
Ithaca College 1630-1920

[theoriginalupstate]

You know something I've been meaning to bring up about Fisher's offense...I'd be interested to see what their stats are for conversions on 3rd and long.  It just feels like to me everytime Fisher is facing like a 3rd and 15 they convert it.  It is to the point where I actually expect them to convert a 3rd and long more so than a 3rd and 4 lets say because it forces us to throw it deep and really nobody can stop Fisher when that happens.  Anybody else get a warm and fuzzy feeling on those 3rd and longs as well? 

Well Boobs here's the breakdown, I'm considering 3rd and long as anything over 8 yards...

Vs Brockport (66%)...

3rd and 23- Bailey pass to Francis, 38yds, 1st down
3rd and 10- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 15 yards, 1st down
3rd and 9- Bailey pass to Biehl, 19 yards, Touchdown
3rd and 10- Bailey pass to Kramer, 9 yards, 4th down
3rd and 16- Bailey rush, 16 yards, 1st down
3rd and 10- Adrian pass incomplete, 4th down

Vs Buff St (80%)...

3rd and 12- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 21 yards, 1st down
3rd and 8- Borum rush for 8 yards, TD
3rd and 15- Bailey pass to Witkowski, 32 yards, 1st down
3rd and 13- Bailey pass to Francis, 46 yards, 1st down
3rd and 9- Adrian pass incomplete, 4th down

Vs UofR (66%)...

3rd and 16- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 23 yards, Touchdown
3rd and 23- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 39 yards, First Down
3rd and 9- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down

Vs Hobart (25%)...

3rd and 10- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 10- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass to Francis, 12 yards, 1st down

Vs Utica (50%)...

3rd and 8- Bailey pass to Kramer, -1 yard, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass to Witkowski, 10 yards, 1st down

Vs Ithaca (28%)...

3rd and 10- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass to Francis, 8 yards, Touchdown
3rd and 8- Bailey pass intercepted by Conti, Turnover
3rd and 12- Bailey sacked by Gil, loss of 12, 4th down
3rd and 10- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 14- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 57 yards, Touchdown

On the season they're 14 of 27 for 51%...

[boobyhasgameyo]

You know something I've been meaning to bring up about Fisher's offense...I'd be interested to see what their stats are for conversions on 3rd and long.  It just feels like to me everytime Fisher is facing like a 3rd and 15 they convert it.  It is to the point where I actually expect them to convert a 3rd and long more so than a 3rd and 4 lets say because it forces us to throw it deep and really nobody can stop Fisher when that happens.  Anybody else get a warm and fuzzy feeling on those 3rd and longs as well? 

Well Boobs here's the breakdown, I'm considering 3rd and long as anything over 8 yards...

Vs Brockport (66%)...

3rd and 23- Bailey pass to Francis, 38yds, 1st down
3rd and 10- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 15 yards, 1st down
3rd and 9- Bailey pass to Biehl, 19 yards, Touchdown
3rd and 10- Bailey pass to Kramer, 9 yards, 4th down
3rd and 16- Bailey rush, 16 yards, 1st down
3rd and 10- Adrian pass incomplete, 4th down

Vs Buff St (80%)...

3rd and 12- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 21 yards, 1st down
3rd and 8- Borum rush for 8 yards, TD
3rd and 15- Bailey pass to Witkowski, 32 yards, 1st down
3rd and 13- Bailey pass to Francis, 46 yards, 1st down
3rd and 9- Adrian pass incomplete, 4th down

Vs UofR (66%)...

3rd and 16- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 23 yards, Touchdown
3rd and 23- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 39 yards, First Down
3rd and 9- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down

Vs Hobart (25%)...

3rd and 10- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 10- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass to Francis, 12 yards, 1st down

Vs Utica (50%)...

3rd and 8- Bailey pass to Kramer, -1 yard, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass to Witkowski, 10 yards, 1st down

Vs Ithaca (28%)...

3rd and 10- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass to Francis, 8 yards, Touchdown
3rd and 8- Bailey pass intercepted by Conti, Turnover
3rd and 12- Bailey sacked by Gil, loss of 12, 4th down
3rd and 10- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 8- Bailey pass incomplete, 4th down
3rd and 14- Bailey pass to Schmidt, 57 yards, Touchdown

On the season they're 14 of 27 for 51%...

Well done sir.  You have been getting some karma boosting this week from this guy.

[Bombers798891]

Three touchdowns is also interesting...i wonder if that's high too