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lewdogg11

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
Will someone please beat Boise State!!

I am sick of all this hype surrounding them.   So they beat Va Tech and a mediocre Top 25 Oregon State team... Both of whom will probably prove to be less competition than Nevada will at the end of the season...

Alabama has played back to back top 10 teams and that was followed by a top 15 team.  No doubt their loss stings but its a joke that Boise State can even be mentioned as being in the National Championship.  At least when "the U" scheduled teams like McNese State and FIU they would still have to play (although unimpressive) the rest of the ACC.  I still feel as though even in the Big East, Boise State wouldn't go undefeated. 

1.  Boise State is good
2.  Blame the cockeyed BCS, not the boys in blue.
3.  Boise St. would run the Big East
4.  Shame on the NCAA for putting Boise St. vs. TCU last year.  Had they both played your typical top teams, we might know 1 way or the other if they belong or not.  Now, we might see a rematch in the National Champ game.

1.  It's easy to look good when you play not even mediocre teams
2.  The BCS is the only system in which schools will make considerable amount of money so its obviously not going to change (although I agree it should)
3.  Boise State would not run the Big East.  Yes they would probably do well, but to make it through the season unscathed is highly unlikely.
4.  The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.  Try playing in the Big 10 week after week with 4 teams in the top 25, three of them still undefeated.  Try playing in the Pac-10 with Stanford, Oregon and Arizona. Or better yet, try playing in the SEC with LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas and South Carolina and where a team that hardly wins games like Ole Miss and Kentucky would wipe the blue turf with Boise State.  

Don't blame the boys in Blue? How about they schedule some real opponents.  I'm sure there's plenty of FBS teams out their willing to prove how good they really are.  I would rather be a team like Stanford or Alabama who's only blemish is a loss on an incredibly hard schedule than squeak by teams losing to FCS schools (Insert VA tech)...

Virginia Tech was a Top 10 team to start the year.  What the hell are you talking about with 'schedule some real opponents'.  Of course they would probably lose in the SEC or Big 10 or wherever, but they aren't in those leagues, they play their schedule, and they do their job and win.  They may have gotten screwed out of 2 or 3 National Championships by now because of the BCS.  You're out of your mind.

SJFF82

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
Will someone please beat Boise State!!

I am sick of all this hype surrounding them.   So they beat Va Tech and a mediocre Top 25 Oregon State team... Both of whom will probably prove to be less competition than Nevada will at the end of the season...

Alabama has played back to back top 10 teams and that was followed by a top 15 team.  No doubt their loss stings but its a joke that Boise State can even be mentioned as being in the National Championship.  At least when "the U" scheduled teams like McNese State and FIU they would still have to play (although unimpressive) the rest of the ACC.  I still feel as though even in the Big East, Boise State wouldn't go undefeated. 

1.  Boise State is good
2.  Blame the cockeyed BCS, not the boys in blue.
3.  Boise St. would run the Big East
4.  Shame on the NCAA for putting Boise St. vs. TCU last year.  Had they both played your typical top teams, we might know 1 way or the other if they belong or not.  Now, we might see a rematch in the National Champ game.

1.  It's easy to look good when you play not even mediocre teams
2.  The BCS is the only system in which schools will make considerable amount of money so its obviously not going to change (although I agree it should)
3.  Boise State would not run the Big East.  Yes they would probably do well, but to make it through the season unscathed is highly unlikely.
4.  The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.  Try playing in the Big 10 week after week with 4 teams in the top 25, three of them still undefeated.  Try playing in the Pac-10 with Stanford, Oregon and Arizona. Or better yet, try playing in the SEC with LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas and South Carolina and where a team that hardly wins games like Ole Miss and Kentucky would wipe the blue turf with Boise State.  

Don't blame the boys in Blue? How about they schedule some real opponents.  I'm sure there's plenty of FBS teams out their willing to prove how good they really are.  I would rather be a team like Stanford or Alabama who's only blemish is a loss on an incredibly hard schedule than squeak by teams losing to FCS schools (Insert VA tech)...

1.) who says that is why they were scheduled to play eachother?  Besides...that argument makes no sense.  If one had blown the other out, all the mid-major naysayers like yourself would then claim...well, see, I told ya TCU was no good...look Boise blew 'em out and consequently Boise proved nothing because TCU clearly wasnt that good.   How bout neither blew the other out because they were both good teams evenly matched.

2.) what do they say about hindsight?


maxpower

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
 The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.

This makes absolutely no sense.

SJFF82

Well there you have it Saxons8....stick to e8 analysis ;)

AlfredSaxon8

Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
Will someone please beat Boise State!!

I am sick of all this hype surrounding them.   So they beat Va Tech and a mediocre Top 25 Oregon State team... Both of whom will probably prove to be less competition than Nevada will at the end of the season...

Alabama has played back to back top 10 teams and that was followed by a top 15 team.  No doubt their loss stings but its a joke that Boise State can even be mentioned as being in the National Championship.  At least when "the U" scheduled teams like McNese State and FIU they would still have to play (although unimpressive) the rest of the ACC.  I still feel as though even in the Big East, Boise State wouldn't go undefeated. 

1.  Boise State is good
2.  Blame the cockeyed BCS, not the boys in blue.
3.  Boise St. would run the Big East
4.  Shame on the NCAA for putting Boise St. vs. TCU last year.  Had they both played your typical top teams, we might know 1 way or the other if they belong or not.  Now, we might see a rematch in the National Champ game.

1.  It's easy to look good when you play not even mediocre teams
2.  The BCS is the only system in which schools will make considerable amount of money so its obviously not going to change (although I agree it should)
3.  Boise State would not run the Big East.  Yes they would probably do well, but to make it through the season unscathed is highly unlikely.
4.  The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.  Try playing in the Big 10 week after week with 4 teams in the top 25, three of them still undefeated.  Try playing in the Pac-10 with Stanford, Oregon and Arizona. Or better yet, try playing in the SEC with LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas and South Carolina and where a team that hardly wins games like Ole Miss and Kentucky would wipe the blue turf with Boise State.  

Don't blame the boys in Blue? How about they schedule some real opponents.  I'm sure there's plenty of FBS teams out their willing to prove how good they really are.  I would rather be a team like Stanford or Alabama who's only blemish is a loss on an incredibly hard schedule than squeak by teams losing to FCS schools (Insert VA tech)...

Virginia Tech was a Top 10 team to start the year.  What the hell are you talking about with 'schedule some real opponents'.  Of course they would probably lose in the SEC or Big 10 or wherever, but they aren't in those leagues, they play their schedule, and they do their job and win.  They may have gotten screwed out of 2 or 3 National Championships by now because of the BCS.  You're out of your mind.

You are absolutely right!! They schedule 1 top ten team while other teams play multiple top ten teams IN CONFERENCE and have no choice in the matter... That's absolutely asinine.  You're telling me that if Mount Union or UW Whitewater played top ten team after top ten team and eventually lost that some team in the New England Football Conference deserves a shot at the National Championship because they play 1 team that, before the season started, might have been worthwhile?

And multiple BCS championships? Gimme a break. You're telling me they were possibly better than Alabama last year and Florida the year before? I think you're the one out of their mind. 
"In this life, you don't have to prove nothin' to nobody but yourself. And after what you've gone through, if you haven't done that by now, it ain't gonna never happen."

SJFF82

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
Will someone please beat Boise State!!

I am sick of all this hype surrounding them.   So they beat Va Tech and a mediocre Top 25 Oregon State team... Both of whom will probably prove to be less competition than Nevada will at the end of the season...

Alabama has played back to back top 10 teams and that was followed by a top 15 team.  No doubt their loss stings but its a joke that Boise State can even be mentioned as being in the National Championship.  At least when "the U" scheduled teams like McNese State and FIU they would still have to play (although unimpressive) the rest of the ACC.  I still feel as though even in the Big East, Boise State wouldn't go undefeated.  

1.  Boise State is good
2.  Blame the cockeyed BCS, not the boys in blue.
3.  Boise St. would run the Big East
4.  Shame on the NCAA for putting Boise St. vs. TCU last year.  Had they both played your typical top teams, we might know 1 way or the other if they belong or not.  Now, we might see a rematch in the National Champ game.

1.  It's easy to look good when you play not even mediocre teams
2.  The BCS is the only system in which schools will make considerable amount of money so its obviously not going to change (although I agree it should)
3.  Boise State would not run the Big East.  Yes they would probably do well, but to make it through the season unscathed is highly unlikely.
4.  The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.  Try playing in the Big 10 week after week with 4 teams in the top 25, three of them still undefeated.  Try playing in the Pac-10 with Stanford, Oregon and Arizona. Or better yet, try playing in the SEC with LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas and South Carolina and where a team that hardly wins games like Ole Miss and Kentucky would wipe the blue turf with Boise State.  

Don't blame the boys in Blue? How about they schedule some real opponents.  I'm sure there's plenty of FBS teams out their willing to prove how good they really are.  I would rather be a team like Stanford or Alabama who's only blemish is a loss on an incredibly hard schedule than squeak by teams losing to FCS schools (Insert VA tech)...

Virginia Tech was a Top 10 team to start the year.  What the hell are you talking about with 'schedule some real opponents'.  Of course they would probably lose in the SEC or Big 10 or wherever, but they aren't in those leagues, they play their schedule, and they do their job and win.  They may have gotten screwed out of 2 or 3 National Championships by now because of the BCS.  You're out of your mind.

You are absolutely right!! They schedule 1 top ten team while other teams play multiple top ten teams IN CONFERENCE and have no choice in the matter... That's absolutely asinine.  You're telling me that if Mount Union or UW Whitewater played top ten team after top ten team and eventually lost that some team in the New England Football Conference deserves a shot at the National Championship because they play 1 team that, before the season started, might have been worthwhile?

And multiple BCS championships? Gimme a break. You're telling me they were possibly better than Alabama last year and Florida the year before? I think you're the one out of their mind.  

Let me speak for LD11....NO!  He didnt compare a Division 3 powerhouse who has lost like 6 games in 14 years versus a NEFC team to what a Boise State v. Alabama/Fla national championship game would look like.

Somebody needs a lesson in 'drawing' an analogy... :o

Bombers798891

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM

2.  The BCS is the only system in which schools will make considerable amount of money so its obviously not going to change (although I agree it should)


Yeah, but almost all college athletic departments lose money.

According to the NCAA's most recent report, only 14 FBS athletic departments generated positive net revenue in 2009 and no FCS teams did. It's staggering that more people aren't aware of the economic realities of NCAA sports at the D-I level

lewdogg11

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
Will someone please beat Boise State!!

I am sick of all this hype surrounding them.   So they beat Va Tech and a mediocre Top 25 Oregon State team... Both of whom will probably prove to be less competition than Nevada will at the end of the season...

Alabama has played back to back top 10 teams and that was followed by a top 15 team.  No doubt their loss stings but its a joke that Boise State can even be mentioned as being in the National Championship.  At least when "the U" scheduled teams like McNese State and FIU they would still have to play (although unimpressive) the rest of the ACC.  I still feel as though even in the Big East, Boise State wouldn't go undefeated. 

1.  Boise State is good
2.  Blame the cockeyed BCS, not the boys in blue.
3.  Boise St. would run the Big East
4.  Shame on the NCAA for putting Boise St. vs. TCU last year.  Had they both played your typical top teams, we might know 1 way or the other if they belong or not.  Now, we might see a rematch in the National Champ game.

1.  It's easy to look good when you play not even mediocre teams
2.  The BCS is the only system in which schools will make considerable amount of money so its obviously not going to change (although I agree it should)
3.  Boise State would not run the Big East.  Yes they would probably do well, but to make it through the season unscathed is highly unlikely.
4.  The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.  Try playing in the Big 10 week after week with 4 teams in the top 25, three of them still undefeated.  Try playing in the Pac-10 with Stanford, Oregon and Arizona. Or better yet, try playing in the SEC with LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas and South Carolina and where a team that hardly wins games like Ole Miss and Kentucky would wipe the blue turf with Boise State.  

Don't blame the boys in Blue? How about they schedule some real opponents.  I'm sure there's plenty of FBS teams out their willing to prove how good they really are.  I would rather be a team like Stanford or Alabama who's only blemish is a loss on an incredibly hard schedule than squeak by teams losing to FCS schools (Insert VA tech)...

Virginia Tech was a Top 10 team to start the year.  What the hell are you talking about with 'schedule some real opponents'.  Of course they would probably lose in the SEC or Big 10 or wherever, but they aren't in those leagues, they play their schedule, and they do their job and win.  They may have gotten screwed out of 2 or 3 National Championships by now because of the BCS.  You're out of your mind.

You are absolutely right!! They schedule 1 top ten team while other teams play multiple top ten teams IN CONFERENCE and have no choice in the matter... That's absolutely asinine.  You're telling me that if Mount Union or UW Whitewater played top ten team after top ten team and eventually lost that some team in the New England Football Conference deserves a shot at the National Championship because they play 1 team that, before the season started, might have been worthwhile?

And multiple BCS championships? Gimme a break. You're telling me they were possibly better than Alabama last year and Florida the year before? I think you're the one out of their mind. 

Who goes outside of their conference schedule and puts 3 top 10 teams on there?  My guess is that Virginia Tech was one of the better teams with a similar open date and they booked it.  And Boise did what they needed to do and they won. 

Tell me 2006 Boise St. and 2009 Boise St. didn't have rightful claims to atleast be considered for the National Championship.  Would they have beaten Florida or Alabama?  We will NEVER know because the BCS sucks.  I don't understand what you don't get. 

AlfredSaxon8

Quote from: maxpower on October 13, 2010, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
 The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.

This makes absolutely no sense.

It makes complete sense.  Neither one of those two teams had that much respect to begin with.  Yes they were both undefeated and finally playing each other in a BCS bowl game but the point is this- there are a million and one naysayers out there like me that gave neither team much respect.  So to us, the game was still a matchup of over inflated records.  In order for it to change my mind, one of the teams would have to do something spectaular AKA demolish a team that everyone else was saying "deserved a shot at the national title"
"In this life, you don't have to prove nothin' to nobody but yourself. And after what you've gone through, if you haven't done that by now, it ain't gonna never happen."

SJFF82

Quote from: Bombers798891 on October 13, 2010, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM

2.  The BCS is the only system in which schools will make considerable amount of money so its obviously not going to change (although I agree it should)


Yeah, but almost all college athletic departments lose money.

According to the NCAA's most recent report, only 14 FBS athletic departments generated positive net revenue in 2009 and no FCS teams did. It's staggering that more people aren't aware of the economic realities of NCAA sports at the D-I level

Oh no...we had this 'debate' last year.  The departments absolutely do not lose money.  Well they do on paper for tax purposes....in other words, the money goes from their right pocket to their left and they claim their right pocket lost money.

The Departments operate their books like any good accountant operates its corporate clients' books.  They reduce as much, if not all, of the principal intake for the year, through payroll, allowable expenses(regardless of actual expenses), donations, AND BONUSES...then claim no profit or even a loss.  It is just bookkeeping/accounting methods designed to show minimal taxable profits.

I mean common sense dictates that when Alabama, et al rakes in 8 million for 1 bowl game plus all of the tv revenue during the reg season, plus all the ticket/concession sales, plus merchandise and licensing takes...cmon...there is NO loss in the end, except on paper.

SJFF82

Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
Will someone please beat Boise State!!

I am sick of all this hype surrounding them.   So they beat Va Tech and a mediocre Top 25 Oregon State team... Both of whom will probably prove to be less competition than Nevada will at the end of the season...

Alabama has played back to back top 10 teams and that was followed by a top 15 team.  No doubt their loss stings but its a joke that Boise State can even be mentioned as being in the National Championship.  At least when "the U" scheduled teams like McNese State and FIU they would still have to play (although unimpressive) the rest of the ACC.  I still feel as though even in the Big East, Boise State wouldn't go undefeated. 

1.  Boise State is good
2.  Blame the cockeyed BCS, not the boys in blue.
3.  Boise St. would run the Big East
4.  Shame on the NCAA for putting Boise St. vs. TCU last year.  Had they both played your typical top teams, we might know 1 way or the other if they belong or not.  Now, we might see a rematch in the National Champ game.

1.  It's easy to look good when you play not even mediocre teams
2.  The BCS is the only system in which schools will make considerable amount of money so its obviously not going to change (although I agree it should)
3.  Boise State would not run the Big East.  Yes they would probably do well, but to make it through the season unscathed is highly unlikely.
4.  The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.  Try playing in the Big 10 week after week with 4 teams in the top 25, three of them still undefeated.  Try playing in the Pac-10 with Stanford, Oregon and Arizona. Or better yet, try playing in the SEC with LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas and South Carolina and where a team that hardly wins games like Ole Miss and Kentucky would wipe the blue turf with Boise State.  

Don't blame the boys in Blue? How about they schedule some real opponents.  I'm sure there's plenty of FBS teams out their willing to prove how good they really are.  I would rather be a team like Stanford or Alabama who's only blemish is a loss on an incredibly hard schedule than squeak by teams losing to FCS schools (Insert VA tech)...

Virginia Tech was a Top 10 team to start the year.  What the hell are you talking about with 'schedule some real opponents'.  Of course they would probably lose in the SEC or Big 10 or wherever, but they aren't in those leagues, they play their schedule, and they do their job and win.  They may have gotten screwed out of 2 or 3 National Championships by now because of the BCS.  You're out of your mind.

You are absolutely right!! They schedule 1 top ten team while other teams play multiple top ten teams IN CONFERENCE and have no choice in the matter... That's absolutely asinine.  You're telling me that if Mount Union or UW Whitewater played top ten team after top ten team and eventually lost that some team in the New England Football Conference deserves a shot at the National Championship because they play 1 team that, before the season started, might have been worthwhile?

And multiple BCS championships? Gimme a break. You're telling me they were possibly better than Alabama last year and Florida the year before? I think you're the one out of their mind. 

Who goes outside of their conference schedule and puts 3 top 10 teams on there?  My guess is that Virginia Tech was one of the better teams with a similar open date and they booked it.  And Boise did what they needed to do and they won. 

Tell me 2006 Boise St. and 2009 Boise St. didn't have rightful claims to atleast be considered for the National Championship.  Would they have beaten Florida or Alabama?  We will NEVER know because the BCS sucks.  I don't understand what you don't get. 

He doesnt understand what he doesnt get....so how could you expect yourself to understand what he doesnt get ???

maxpower

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: maxpower on October 13, 2010, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
 The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.

This makes absolutely no sense.

It makes complete sense.  Neither one of those two teams had that much respect to begin with.  Yes they were both undefeated and finally playing each other in a BCS bowl game but the point is this- there are a million and one naysayers out there like me that gave neither team much respect.  So to us, the game was still a matchup of over inflated records.  In order for it to change my mind, one of the teams would have to do something spectaular AKA demolish a team that everyone else was saying "deserved a shot at the national title"

What doesn't make sense is you saying that since NEITHER team blew the other out, NEITHER must have been very good.

You must really hate overtimes and game 7s.... neither team is any good!

AlfredSaxon8

Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: LewDogg11 on October 13, 2010, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
Will someone please beat Boise State!!

I am sick of all this hype surrounding them.   So they beat Va Tech and a mediocre Top 25 Oregon State team... Both of whom will probably prove to be less competition than Nevada will at the end of the season...

Alabama has played back to back top 10 teams and that was followed by a top 15 team.  No doubt their loss stings but its a joke that Boise State can even be mentioned as being in the National Championship.  At least when "the U" scheduled teams like McNese State and FIU they would still have to play (although unimpressive) the rest of the ACC.  I still feel as though even in the Big East, Boise State wouldn't go undefeated. 

1.  Boise State is good
2.  Blame the cockeyed BCS, not the boys in blue.
3.  Boise St. would run the Big East
4.  Shame on the NCAA for putting Boise St. vs. TCU last year.  Had they both played your typical top teams, we might know 1 way or the other if they belong or not.  Now, we might see a rematch in the National Champ game.

1.  It's easy to look good when you play not even mediocre teams
2.  The BCS is the only system in which schools will make considerable amount of money so its obviously not going to change (although I agree it should)
3.  Boise State would not run the Big East.  Yes they would probably do well, but to make it through the season unscathed is highly unlikely.
4.  The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.  Try playing in the Big 10 week after week with 4 teams in the top 25, three of them still undefeated.  Try playing in the Pac-10 with Stanford, Oregon and Arizona. Or better yet, try playing in the SEC with LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas and South Carolina and where a team that hardly wins games like Ole Miss and Kentucky would wipe the blue turf with Boise State.  

Don't blame the boys in Blue? How about they schedule some real opponents.  I'm sure there's plenty of FBS teams out their willing to prove how good they really are.  I would rather be a team like Stanford or Alabama who's only blemish is a loss on an incredibly hard schedule than squeak by teams losing to FCS schools (Insert VA tech)...

Virginia Tech was a Top 10 team to start the year.  What the hell are you talking about with 'schedule some real opponents'.  Of course they would probably lose in the SEC or Big 10 or wherever, but they aren't in those leagues, they play their schedule, and they do their job and win.  They may have gotten screwed out of 2 or 3 National Championships by now because of the BCS.  You're out of your mind.

You are absolutely right!! They schedule 1 top ten team while other teams play multiple top ten teams IN CONFERENCE and have no choice in the matter... That's absolutely asinine.  You're telling me that if Mount Union or UW Whitewater played top ten team after top ten team and eventually lost that some team in the New England Football Conference deserves a shot at the National Championship because they play 1 team that, before the season started, might have been worthwhile?

And multiple BCS championships? Gimme a break. You're telling me they were possibly better than Alabama last year and Florida the year before? I think you're the one out of their mind. 

Who goes outside of their conference schedule and puts 3 top 10 teams on there?  My guess is that Virginia Tech was one of the better teams with a similar open date and they booked it.  And Boise did what they needed to do and they won. 

Tell me 2006 Boise St. and 2009 Boise St. didn't have rightful claims to atleast be considered for the National Championship.  Would they have beaten Florida or Alabama?  We will NEVER know because the BCS sucks.  I don't understand what you don't get. 

It really just boggles my mind that people can say they deserve a shot at the National Title... FOR WHAT? What did they prove? Who did they beat to do it? Wyoming? New Mexico State? Toledo?

I'm sure Idaho and Loisiana Tech and Hawaii are really going to give them a run for their money.  

"In this life, you don't have to prove nothin' to nobody but yourself. And after what you've gone through, if you haven't done that by now, it ain't gonna never happen."

maxpower

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
It really just boggles my mind that people can say they deserve a shot at the National Title... FOR WHAT? What did they prove? Who did they beat to do it? Wyoming? New Mexico State? Toledo?

I'm sure Idaho and Loisiana Tech and Hawaii are really going to give them a run for their money. 

I understand where you're coming from, but that's the reason you started this thread with this:

Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
Will someone please beat Boise State!!

Because until they ACTUALLY lose, you can't say "they would lose" with certainty. This is why a playoff is always better. Some divisions, conferences, etc. in all sports are weaker than others, but the top teams in weak places always get the CHANCE to prove they can hang with anyone...

AlfredSaxon8

Quote from: maxpower on October 13, 2010, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: maxpower on October 13, 2010, 03:19:44 PM
Quote from: AlfredSaxon8 on October 13, 2010, 03:07:41 PM
 The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.

This makes absolutely no sense.

It makes complete sense.  Neither one of those two teams had that much respect to begin with.  Yes they were both undefeated and finally playing each other in a BCS bowl game but the point is this- there are a million and one naysayers out there like me that gave neither team much respect.  So to us, the game was still a matchup of over inflated records.  In order for it to change my mind, one of the teams would have to do something spectaular AKA demolish a team that everyone else was saying "deserved a shot at the national title"

What doesn't make sense is you saying that since NEITHER team blew the other out, NEITHER must have been very good.

You must really hate overtimes and game 7s.... neither team is any good!

The point is to me they both were overrated.  So if neither team blew out the other, they were overrated together.  Thats what I'm saying.  To me, two teams that didn't deserve to be there and played to a basic stalemate, only cemented the point that they shouldn't be playing with the big boys.  To me, if TCU blew out Boise State, I would think maybe they should be playing against Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.  But since, to me, neither deserved to be playing there in the first place, neither deserved any recognition over the win.  Thats the point im making.  
"In this life, you don't have to prove nothin' to nobody but yourself. And after what you've gone through, if you haven't done that by now, it ain't gonna never happen."