FB: Empire 8

[maxpower]

The point is to me they both were overrated.  So if neither team blew out the other, they were overrated together.  Thats what I'm saying.  To me, two teams that didn't deserve to be there and played to a basic stalemate, only cemented the point that they shouldn't be playing with the big boys.  To me, if TCU blew out Boise State, I would think maybe they should be playing against Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.  But since, to me, neither deserved to be playing there in the first place, neither deserved any recognition over the win.  Thats the point im making.  

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. They played each other well; in what universe does this automatically mean they both SUCK rather than they are both GOOD, or MEDIOCRE or WHATEVER.

And how the hell would one blowing the other out prove they were any GOOD? Ithaca blew out St. L, I guess we should get the Pool C bid just for that!

[AlfredSaxon8]

It really just boggles my mind that people can say they deserve a shot at the National Title... FOR WHAT? What did they prove? Who did they beat to do it? Wyoming? New Mexico State? Toledo?

I'm sure Idaho and Loisiana Tech and Hawaii are really going to give them a run for their money. 

I understand where you're coming from, but that's the reason you started this thread with this:

Will someone please beat Boise State!!

Because until they ACTUALLY lose, you can't say "they would lose" with certainty. This is why a playoff is always better. Some divisions, conferences, etc. in all sports are weaker than others, but the top teams in weak places always get the CHANCE to prove they can hang with anyone...

You're completely right, I can't say they will lose.  I can only assume.  But it seems that EVERYONE also assumes they should be playing for the National Title until they lose.  Which I think is ridiculous.  

[maxpower]

It really just boggles my mind that people can say they deserve a shot at the National Title... FOR WHAT? What did they prove? Who did they beat to do it? Wyoming? New Mexico State? Toledo?

I'm sure Idaho and Loisiana Tech and Hawaii are really going to give them a run for their money. 

I understand where you're coming from, but that's the reason you started this thread with this:

Will someone please beat Boise State!!

Because until they ACTUALLY lose, you can't say "they would lose" with certainty. This is why a playoff is always better. Some divisions, conferences, etc. in all sports are weaker than others, but the top teams in weak places always get the CHANCE to prove they can hang with anyone...

You're completely right, I can't say they will lose.  I can only assume.  But it seems that EVERYONE also assumes they should be playing for the National Title until they lose.  Which I think is ridiculous.  

I think people are saying "give them a chance". Which means "give them a playoff." You can't assume they aren't as good as Alabama every year, just because Bama is Bama.

[AlfredSaxon8]

The point is to me they both were overrated.  So if neither team blew out the other, they were overrated together.  Thats what I'm saying.  To me, two teams that didn't deserve to be there and played to a basic stalemate, only cemented the point that they shouldn't be playing with the big boys.  To me, if TCU blew out Boise State, I would think maybe they should be playing against Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.  But since, to me, neither deserved to be playing there in the first place, neither deserved any recognition over the win.  Thats the point im making.  

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. They played each other well; in what universe does this automatically mean they both SUCK rather than they are both GOOD, or MEDIOCRE or WHATEVER.

And how the hell would one blowing the other out prove they were any GOOD? Ithaca blew out St. L, I guess we should get the Pool C bid just for that!

You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good one.  I dont.  That's the point.  It would be a good win if they blew them out.  But they didn't.  To me, it was no different than Boise State beating Oregon State this year.  Yes they won.  But to me, they didn't prove anything with the win.  That's why I'm saying they need to have blown them out.  

[AlfredSaxon8]

Very simply, I can say lets agree to disagree.  There should be a playoff. And I think quality of wins should matter if you don't use a playoff system. Obviously, the problem is there are 120+ teams in the NCAA and until all of them play eachother, there's going to be a discrepency in who deserves a shot at the National Title. 

[maxpower]

Changing the subject:

There's a lot of talk about ECACs, whether Ithaca is a bunch of a-holes for rarely playing them, whether they're exciting, etc. I would posit that, purely as a fan, I'd be interested in an ECAC game for IC if it was against an opponent I'm interested in seeing them play/fare well against, like someone from the LL or NJAC that we rarely play, but may play in the future, regular season or playoff, or, frankly, with whose fans I talk to a lot on these here boards.

If it's someone like UMass-Dartmouth, like our last ECAC game, where I know squat about that team and really have no reason to, then I'll pass and be happy with Cortland as the last game.

[lewdogg11]

The point is to me they both were overrated.  So if neither team blew out the other, they were overrated together.  Thats what I'm saying.  To me, two teams that didn't deserve to be there and played to a basic stalemate, only cemented the point that they shouldn't be playing with the big boys.  To me, if TCU blew out Boise State, I would think maybe they should be playing against Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.  But since, to me, neither deserved to be playing there in the first place, neither deserved any recognition over the win.  Thats the point im making.  

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. They played each other well; in what universe does this automatically mean they both SUCK rather than they are both GOOD, or MEDIOCRE or WHATEVER.

And how the hell would one blowing the other out prove they were any GOOD? Ithaca blew out St. L, I guess we should get the Pool C bid just for that!

You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good one.  I dont.  That's the point.  It would be a good win if they blew them out.  But they didn't.  To me, it was no different than Boise State beating Oregon State this year.  Yes they won.  But to me, they didn't prove anything with the win.  That's why I'm saying they need to have blown them out.  

The respect i'm giving them is they haven't lost in a long time.  And it's the NCAA's fault that we don't know for sure how good they are.  Does anyone here think they would be Alabama or Ohio State?  They might be able to.  But no one knows.  THAT IS THE POINT DUDE!!!

[theoriginalupstate]

Ithaca is a bunch of a-holes

I stopped reading after this...

[AlfredSaxon8]

The point is to me they both were overrated.  So if neither team blew out the other, they were overrated together.  Thats what I'm saying.  To me, two teams that didn't deserve to be there and played to a basic stalemate, only cemented the point that they shouldn't be playing with the big boys.  To me, if TCU blew out Boise State, I would think maybe they should be playing against Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.  But since, to me, neither deserved to be playing there in the first place, neither deserved any recognition over the win.  Thats the point im making.  

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. They played each other well; in what universe does this automatically mean they both SUCK rather than they are both GOOD, or MEDIOCRE or WHATEVER.

And how the hell would one blowing the other out prove they were any GOOD? Ithaca blew out St. L, I guess we should get the Pool C bid just for that!

You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good one.  I dont.  That's the point.  It would be a good win if they blew them out.  But they didn't.  To me, it was no different than Boise State beating Oregon State this year.  Yes they won.  But to me, they didn't prove anything with the win.  That's why I'm saying they need to have blown them out.  

The respect i'm giving them is they haven't lost in a long time.  And it's the NCAA's fault that we don't know for sure how good they are.  Does anyone here think they would be Alabama or Ohio State?  They might be able to.  But no one knows.  THAT IS THE POINT DUDE!!!

It wasn't the point I was trying to make DUDE.

[union89]

 The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.

This makes absolutely no sense.

It makes complete sense.  Neither one of those two teams had that much respect to begin with.  Yes they were both undefeated and finally playing each other in a BCS bowl game but the point is this- there are a million and one naysayers out there like me that gave neither team much respect.  So to us, the game was still a matchup of over inflated records.  In order for it to change my mind, one of the teams would have to do something spectaular AKA demolish a team that everyone else was saying "deserved a shot at the national title"

Alfred posters have had the reputation of being pretty level headed here on PP.  You, my friend, are bringing Pep and Kaz down to NLNG (NEFC poster) levels.


'NUFF SAID....

[lewdogg11]

The point is to me they both were overrated.  So if neither team blew out the other, they were overrated together.  Thats what I'm saying.  To me, two teams that didn't deserve to be there and played to a basic stalemate, only cemented the point that they shouldn't be playing with the big boys.  To me, if TCU blew out Boise State, I would think maybe they should be playing against Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.  But since, to me, neither deserved to be playing there in the first place, neither deserved any recognition over the win.  Thats the point im making.  

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. They played each other well; in what universe does this automatically mean they both SUCK rather than they are both GOOD, or MEDIOCRE or WHATEVER.

And how the hell would one blowing the other out prove they were any GOOD? Ithaca blew out St. L, I guess we should get the Pool C bid just for that!

You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good one.  I dont.  That's the point.  It would be a good win if they blew them out.  But they didn't.  To me, it was no different than Boise State beating Oregon State this year.  Yes they won.  But to me, they didn't prove anything with the win.  That's why I'm saying they need to have blown them out.  

The respect i'm giving them is they haven't lost in a long time.  And it's the NCAA's fault that we don't know for sure how good they are.  Does anyone here think they would be Alabama or Ohio State?  They might be able to.  But no one knows.  THAT IS THE POINT DUDE!!!

It wasn't the point I was trying to make DUDE.

Riiiiiiiight.  The point was that Boise State sucks because they only beat undefeated 3rd ranked TCU by 7 in the Fiesta Bowl last year.  Got it!

[AlfredSaxon8]

 The Boise State/TCU matchup last year was supposed to allow one of the teams to prove that they belonged in a major BCS game by blowing out the other.  It didn't happen.  Both teams were evenly matched and had inflated records that were a poor reflection of how good they actually were.

This makes absolutely no sense.

It makes complete sense.  Neither one of those two teams had that much respect to begin with.  Yes they were both undefeated and finally playing each other in a BCS bowl game but the point is this- there are a million and one naysayers out there like me that gave neither team much respect.  So to us, the game was still a matchup of over inflated records.  In order for it to change my mind, one of the teams would have to do something spectaular AKA demolish a team that everyone else was saying "deserved a shot at the national title"

Alfred posters have had the reputation of being pretty level headed here on PP.  You, my friend, are bringing Pep and Kaz down to NLNG (NEFC poster) levels.


'NUFF SAID....

I apologize for talking about something completely unrelated to the Empire 8.  I'm sorry that apparently I wasn't able to convey my opinion well enough for you gentlemen to understand where I was coming from.  Lets all go back to bickering about how sweet Ithaca's education is or how crappy SJF's is. Maybe we can go back to talking about E8 soccer.  It's all relevant right? Except when someone tries to bring up what they thought was a valid point, right? Then its all garbage and suddenly I'm not levelheaded just because you disagree with it.

[AlfredSaxon8]

The point is to me they both were overrated.  So if neither team blew out the other, they were overrated together.  Thats what I'm saying.  To me, two teams that didn't deserve to be there and played to a basic stalemate, only cemented the point that they shouldn't be playing with the big boys.  To me, if TCU blew out Boise State, I would think maybe they should be playing against Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.  But since, to me, neither deserved to be playing there in the first place, neither deserved any recognition over the win.  Thats the point im making.  

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. They played each other well; in what universe does this automatically mean they both SUCK rather than they are both GOOD, or MEDIOCRE or WHATEVER.

And how the hell would one blowing the other out prove they were any GOOD? Ithaca blew out St. L, I guess we should get the Pool C bid just for that!

You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good one.  I dont.  That's the point.  It would be a good win if they blew them out.  But they didn't.  To me, it was no different than Boise State beating Oregon State this year.  Yes they won.  But to me, they didn't prove anything with the win.  That's why I'm saying they need to have blown them out.  

The respect i'm giving them is they haven't lost in a long time.  And it's the NCAA's fault that we don't know for sure how good they are.  Does anyone here think they would be Alabama or Ohio State?  They might be able to.  But no one knows.  THAT IS THE POINT DUDE!!!

It wasn't the point I was trying to make DUDE.

Riiiiiiiight.  The point was that Boise State sucks because they only beat undefeated 3rd ranked TCU by 7 in the Fiesta Bowl last year.  Got it!

The point was they didn't and don't deserve their ranking or the title of being contenders for the National Title because they haven't beaten quality teams.  And that TCU didn't deserve it either.   

[maxpower]

I think I'll start making my posts like this so that they're more cumbersome to read and therefore my posts will be regarded with more esteem. Why hasn't anyone responded to my ECACs post? Besides Upstate. Upstate, i think I don't take you seriously because you don't like baseball... oh by the way, AlfredSaxon8 is still making no sense.

[PrideFan1]

I think I'll start making my posts like this so that they're more cumbersome to read and therefore my posts will be regarded with more esteem. Why hasn't anyone responded to my ECACs post? Besides Upstate. Upstate, i think I don't take you seriously because you don't like baseball... oh by the way, AlfredSaxon8 is still making no sense.

HAHAHA!