FB: Empire 8

[union89]

I think I'll start making my posts like this so that they're more cumbersome to read and therefore my posts will be regarded with more esteem. Why hasn't anyone responded to my ECACs post? Besides Upstate. Upstate, i think I don't take you seriously because you don't like baseball... oh by the way, AlfredSaxon8 is still making no sense.

I ignore anything coming out of Somerville....go have yourself a cold 'Dogfish' at the "Tavern at the End of the World".

[SJFF82]

The point is to me they both were overrated.  So if neither team blew out the other, they were overrated together.  Thats what I'm saying.  To me, two teams that didn't deserve to be there and played to a basic stalemate, only cemented the point that they shouldn't be playing with the big boys.  To me, if TCU blew out Boise State, I would think maybe they should be playing against Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.  But since, to me, neither deserved to be playing there in the first place, neither deserved any recognition over the win.  Thats the point im making.  

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. They played each other well; in what universe does this automatically mean they both SUCK rather than they are both GOOD, or MEDIOCRE or WHATEVER.

And how the hell would one blowing the other out prove they were any GOOD? Ithaca blew out St. L, I guess we should get the Pool C bid just for that!

You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good one.  I dont.  That's the point.  It would be a good win if they blew them out.  But they didn't.  To me, it was no different than Boise State beating Oregon State this year.  Yes they won.  But to me, they didn't prove anything with the win.  That's why I'm saying they need to have blown them out.  

Do you need the Sun to burn a hole in your ass before you believe it is hot too?

[Bombers798891]

Changing the subject:

There's a lot of talk about ECACs, whether Ithaca is a bunch of a-holes for rarely playing them, whether they're exciting, etc. I would posit that, purely as a fan, I'd be interested in an ECAC game for IC if it was against an opponent I'm interested in seeing them play/fare well against, like someone from the LL or NJAC that we rarely play, but may play in the future, regular season or playoff, or, frankly, with whose fans I talk to a lot on these here boards.

If it's someone like UMass-Dartmouth, like our last ECAC game, where I know squat about that team and really have no reason to, then I'll pass and be happy with Cortland as the last game.

I think the issue with the ECAC games is whether or not the players want to do it. The 1999 team collapsed down the stretch, had no desire to go play Union, went up there, and got smoked. The year before, they felt (rightly) that they were screwed from an NCAA berth and wanted to use the game to make a statement. Oh, that poor Hartwick team....

Here's the other problem: The timing of them is atrocious for IC. Ithaca gives their students the whole week off for Thanksgiving, which means, depending on the calender all the students already leave campus by the time those games are played. In the last eight seasons, six times, the ECAC game, if played at IC, would have come after everyone left for the holiday, meaning a deserted home stadium. That's a tough spot to put your kids in if they're already not gung-ho about it.

So lots of times, for IC, it's about saying: "The kids are losing out on a couple days of break for a game they don't want to play that almost no-one will see?"

I was at the 2004 game, the weather was miserable, and there was almost no-one there. But the players clearly wanted to play after the way their season ended. But that's not always going to be the case. The games themselves aren't very compelling. It's always about the ulterior motive. There's really no tangible benefit to the game itself (Did the 1999/2005 Bombers gain something because their previous team won those games?)

You have to treat them like there's something at stake, but the game itself doesn't lend itself to that. It's all about individual motivation.

[SJFF82]

The point is to me they both were overrated.  So if neither team blew out the other, they were overrated together.  Thats what I'm saying.  To me, two teams that didn't deserve to be there and played to a basic stalemate, only cemented the point that they shouldn't be playing with the big boys.  To me, if TCU blew out Boise State, I would think maybe they should be playing against Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.  But since, to me, neither deserved to be playing there in the first place, neither deserved any recognition over the win.  Thats the point im making.  

THIS MAKES NO SENSE. They played each other well; in what universe does this automatically mean they both SUCK rather than they are both GOOD, or MEDIOCRE or WHATEVER.

And how the hell would one blowing the other out prove they were any GOOD? Ithaca blew out St. L, I guess we should get the Pool C bid just for that!

You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good one.  I dont.  That's the point.  It would be a good win if they blew them out.  But they didn't.  To me, it was no different than Boise State beating Oregon State this year.  Yes they won.  But to me, they didn't prove anything with the win.  That's why I'm saying they need to have blown them out.  

It would not be a good win, according to your own premise....that TCU is a mediocre team going into the game!  Dont you get that....everyone else here does.  I understand your opinion that Boise State doesnt deserve National Title consideration....disagree, but its your opinion...fine.  However, your justification using the Boise-TCU game is just plain silly and non-sensical.  If Boise blows out mediocre (your opinion) TCU, how then does that prove Boise has arrived on the scene?

[SJFF82]

Changing the subject:

There's a lot of talk about ECACs, whether Ithaca is a bunch of a-holes for rarely playing them, whether they're exciting, etc. I would posit that, purely as a fan, I'd be interested in an ECAC game for IC if it was against an opponent I'm interested in seeing them play/fare well against, like someone from the LL or NJAC that we rarely play, but may play in the future, regular season or playoff, or, frankly, with whose fans I talk to a lot on these here boards.

If it's someone like UMass-Dartmouth, like our last ECAC game, where I know squat about that team and really have no reason to, then I'll pass and be happy with Cortland as the last game.

I think the issue with the ECAC games is whether or not the players want to do it. The 1999 team collapsed down the stretch, had no desire to go play Union, went up there, and got smoked. The year before, they felt (rightly) that they were screwed from an NCAA berth and wanted to use the game to make a statement. Oh, that poor Hartwick team....

Here's the other problem: The timing of them is atrocious for IC. Ithaca gives their students the whole week off for Thanksgiving, which means, depending on the calender all the students already leave campus by the time those games are played. In the last eight seasons, six times, the ECAC game, if played at IC, would have come after everyone left for the holiday, meaning a deserted home stadium. That's a tough spot to put your kids in if they're already not gung-ho about it.

So lots of times, for IC, it's about saying: "The kids are losing out on a couple days of break for a game they don't want to play that almost no-one will see?"

I was at the 2004 game, the weather was miserable, and there was almost no-one there. But the players clearly wanted to play after the way their season ended. But that's not always going to be the case. The games themselves aren't very compelling. It's always about the ulterior motive. There's really no tangible benefit to the game itself (Did the 1999/2005 Bombers gain something because their previous team won those games?)

You have to treat them like there's something at stake, but the game itself doesn't lend itself to that. It's all about individual motivation.

just a thought...SJF as a program, has always embraced the ECAC games...and has been routinely successful in them.  They take pride in the hardware and display is proudly and prominently on campus/and or in the football office.  There are many nice, blown-up color photos, among others, of the team enjoying the success of the game hanging up around the football office for recruits to be enticed by.  Success breeds success. 

For example, last year Fisher beat Cortland in ECAC game...so potential recruit is not ignoring that success of one prominent East program over the other in narrowing his football options. 

Its not like there are dozens of teams from the East enjoying NCAA berths and success from the East year in and out...after all, lately, how many NY schools are even getting NCCA berths....4 or 5?.  After that, our only show case for NY football are the ECAC games...

My long-winded, but simple point is....maybe that one difference between how an SJF program embraces the ECAC's versus how IC looks to 'avoid' them could factor in recruiting...

thoughts?

[maxpower]

82 - interesting point, and i think, for different reasons, it aligns with my point about what i as a fan would like to see. a "look, we just beat rowan in the ECACs" win? awesome! a "we destroyed umass-dartmouth".... not sure that would impress a recruit any more than me.

[Doid23]

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You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that  respect no respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should shouldn't be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good bad one.  I dont do.  That's the point.  
 

Aren't you doing the exact same thing as your accusing others of? Let me fix your post and see how it looks:

[SJFF82]

82 - interesting point, and i think, for different reasons, it aligns with my point about what i as a fan would like to see. a "look, we just beat rowan in the ECACs" win? awesome! a "we destroyed umass-dartmouth".... not sure that would impress a recruit any more than me.

agreed....SJF beating some team from Maine 2 years ago...Albright I think...aint helping my point, but you dont get to pick your opponent, and you gotta take the good (Cortland/RPI) games with the bad.  Nonetheless though, a football game with trophies at the end will always bring out the player...and the Seniors always wanna win one more game and hoist a trophy...and that trophy is going in the case, and the photos are going up and recruits are taking it all in....remember...they are 17 year old kids, not us 'ol geezers on here over analyzing how to spell Saterday.

[SJFF82]

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You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that  respect no respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should shouldn't be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good bad one.  I dont do.  That's the point.  
 

Aren't you doing the exact same thing as your accusing others of? Let me fix your post and see how it looks:

exactly...

[lewdogg11]

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You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that  respect no respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should shouldn't be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good bad one.  I dont do.  That's the point.  

Aren't you doing the exact same thing as your accusing others of? Let me fix your post and see how it looks:

exactly...

I've figured it out guys...

Only the following teams are now qualified to play in the National Championship game:

Alabama
Texas
Ohio State
Oklahoma
LSU
Florida
Miami
Penn State
Notre Dame
USC
Florida State
Nebraska
Tennessee
Auburn
Michigan
Mount Union

All other teams are disqualified from National Championship contention.  Thanks.

[drt]

Lew,
You forgot Whitewater.....

[maxpower]

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You guys have no idea what I'm talking about because you give Boise State and teams like that  respect no respect.  You will never know what I'm talking about because you have already, for some reason, given into the notion that Boise State should shouldn't be suiting up in January to play for the National Championship. You guys think the TCU win was a good bad one.  I dont do.  That's the point.  

Aren't you doing the exact same thing as your accusing others of? Let me fix your post and see how it looks:

exactly...

I've figured it out guys...

Only the following teams are now qualified to play in the National Championship game:

Alabama
Texas
Ohio State
Oklahoma
LSU
Florida
Miami
Penn State
Notre Dame
USC
Florida State
Nebraska
Tennessee
Auburn
Michigan
Mount Union

All other teams are disqualified from National Championship contention.  Thanks.

Lew, I'm going to abridge your list for AS8's purposes:

Alabama (Florida "should have won" that game)
Texas (too close to TCU)
Ohio State
Oklahoma (lost to Boise State, a mediocre team)
LSU
Florida
Miami
Penn State (Not enough blowouts)
Notre Dame
Notre Dame
Notre Dame
Notre Dame
Notre Dame
Notre Dame
USC (BCS should act as though USC will be in playoffs next two years because they are so clearly better than BSU)
Florida State
Nebraska
Tennessee
Auburn (Will never be as good as Alabama, so why bother)
Michigan
Mount Union (Will now be awarded DIII Nat'l Championship trophy at beginning of season instead of end)

[pg04]

I am currently attending an SEC School (one that currently sucks, but SEC nonetheless--and people here always take the side of Saxon8) but I do actually agree with LD.  Pretty much with everything he said.  I have nothing really more to add but I thought I'd add another agreeing voice  .  

[lewdogg11]

I am currently attending an SEC School (one that currently sucks, but SEC nonetheless--and people here always take the side of Saxon8) but I do actually agree with LD.  Pretty much with everything he said.  I have nothing really more to add but I thought I'd add another agreeing voice  .  

Don't be ashamed to agree with me.  I've applied science to all of my theories. 

[pg04]

I am currently attending an SEC School (one that currently sucks, but SEC nonetheless--and people here always take the side of Saxon8) but I do actually agree with LD.  Pretty much with everything he said.  I have nothing really more to add but I thought I'd add another agreeing voice  .  

Don't be ashamed to agree with me.  I've applied science to all of my theories. 

But of course!