FB: Empire 8

[saxontad]

I don't think it applies to this team, but AU has been seemingly on a roll before and then crashed miserably.  I think that is why many of the faithful though thrilled with this victory over Fisher remember, for example, our being dismantled at Ithaca last year.  I have confidence that this team is not going to do that.  But a little bit of dread lingers.  Having said that,  let's kick some Yellow Jacket hind quarters on Saturday!!

On Saxon Warriors!!

[theoriginalupstate]

I just really dont get it... Alfred, the defending E8 Champions beat SJF handily and yet they still get no respect? Like come on!! What has SJF done that's so great this year? Why does the fan polls think that SJF should still be higher than AU? An RPI loss? Who cares!! AU is undefeated in the E8, they just beat Fisher, and they are still behind them in the fan polls...

It's just ridiculous.  I have A LOT of respect for SJF but when is AU going to finally get the respect that they deserve?

Yes, the RPI loss has a lot to do with why RPI is ranked where it is...

If they didn't lose to RPI they'd probably be in the top 15...

[theoriginalupstate]

I just really dont get it... Alfred, the defending E8 Champions beat SJF handily and yet they still get no respect? Like come on!! What has SJF done that's so great this year? Why does the fan polls think that SJF should still be higher than AU? An RPI loss? Who cares!! AU is undefeated in the E8, they just beat Fisher, and they are still behind them in the fan polls...

It's just ridiculous.  I have A LOT of respect for SJF but when is AU going to finally get the respect that they deserve?

...and tarnish their perfectly fine Rodney Dangerfield image? No way! Let the polls be as they may. The only thing that matters is what happens on the field.

Now Pep was thinking....Rochester beat Worcester Tech, Worcester Tech beat RPI, RPI beat Alfred....then UR could very well hand the Saxons their second loss of the season.

I just dont get it... AU loses to an unranked RPI team and drops out of the top 25.  SJF loses to an unranked AU team and remains ahead of AU in the fans poll...

Well, RPI beat Alfred, but you clearly don't think RPI is better than Alfred.  So, is it possible that voters still think Fisher is a better team than Alfred even though they just lost to the Saxons?

Get out of here with this kind of nonsense Kazoo...

No one is allowed to think logically here...

[AlfredSaxon8]

I just really dont get it... Alfred, the defending E8 Champions beat SJF handily and yet they still get no respect? Like come on!! What has SJF done that's so great this year? Why does the fan polls think that SJF should still be higher than AU? An RPI loss? Who cares!! AU is undefeated in the E8, they just beat Fisher, and they are still behind them in the fan polls...

It's just ridiculous.  I have A LOT of respect for SJF but when is AU going to finally get the respect that they deserve?

...and tarnish their perfectly fine Rodney Dangerfield image? No way! Let the polls be as they may. The only thing that matters is what happens on the field.

Now Pep was thinking....Rochester beat Worcester Tech, Worcester Tech beat RPI, RPI beat Alfred....then UR could very well hand the Saxons their second loss of the season.

I just dont get it... AU loses to an unranked RPI team and drops out of the top 25.  SJF loses to an unranked AU team and remains ahead of AU in the fans poll...

Well, RPI beat Alfred, but you clearly don't think RPI is better than Alfred.  So, is it possible that voters still think Fisher is a better team than Alfred even though they just lost to the Saxons?

Get out of here with this kind of nonsense Kazoo...

No one is allowed to think logically here...

Newsflash Upstate- Out of Conference really doesn't matter.  When Lycoming beat IC in 05 did it matter? Not really.  But NO ONE in the conference was ranked ahead of IC.  That's the point.  SJF, for some reason, was considered the best in the conference.  AU beat them.  How come people still think SJF is still the best in the conference.

And again- SJF lost by 11.  But they were down 42-24 with 1:30 to go.  That's quite a big margain for people to think that SJF is still better.  AU probably could've scored too if they wanted to while they were in Fisher territory at the end of the game. 
 

[fisheralum91]

Im going to say this as politely as i can.
To some of the AU faithful.....You beat Fisher soundly......Move on....

That is all

[saxontad]

Im going to say this as politely as i can.
To some of the AU faithful.....You beat Fisher soundly......Move on....

That is all

Sounds like someone else should move on.

[theoriginalupstate]

Newsflash Upstate- Out of Conference really doesn't matter.  When Lycoming beat IC in 05 did it matter? Not really.  But NO ONE in the conference was ranked ahead of IC.  That's the point.  SJF, for some reason, was considered the best in the conference.  AU beat them.  How come people still think SJF is still the best in the conference.

And again- SJF lost by 11.  But they were down 42-24 with 1:30 to go.  That's quite a big margain for people to think that SJF is still better.  AU probably could've scored too if they wanted to while they were in Fisher territory at the end of the game. 
 

In the E8 race the RPI loss means nothing...

However, in terms of national perception it means something...

Losing to RPI took you out of the national picture, justifiably so, and beating SJF brought you back into it...

Yes you took us to the woodshed, congrats, take the emotion out of it and try to think about it from an unbiased observers point of view...

[saxontad]

Newsflash Upstate- Out of Conference really doesn't matter.  When Lycoming beat IC in 05 did it matter? Not really.  But NO ONE in the conference was ranked ahead of IC.  That's the point.  SJF, for some reason, was considered the best in the conference.  AU beat them.  How come people still think SJF is still the best in the conference.

And again- SJF lost by 11.  But they were down 42-24 with 1:30 to go.  That's quite a big margain for people to think that SJF is still better.  AU probably could've scored too if they wanted to while they were in Fisher territory at the end of the game. 
 

In the E8 race the RPI loss means nothing...

However, in terms of national perception it means something...

Losing to RPI took you out of the national picture, justifiably so, and beating SJF brought you back into it...

Yes you took us to the woodshed, congrats, take the emotion out of it and try to think about it from an unbiased observers point of view...

This AU rooter does't care about the rankings.  Let us just contine to play at a high level of intensity and rankings and seedings, etc, will take care of themselves.

On Saxon Warriors!!

[fisheralum91]

Tad,
I honestly like all of the AU posters on here.
You won.
You have our respect.
You got jobbed in a made up lame top 25 that might as well have Keuka at number one.
It means squat.

[theoriginalupstate]

Newsflash Upstate- Out of Conference really doesn't matter.  When Lycoming beat IC in 05 did it matter? Not really.  But NO ONE in the conference was ranked ahead of IC.  That's the point.  SJF, for some reason, was considered the best in the conference.  AU beat them.  How come people still think SJF is still the best in the conference.

And again- SJF lost by 11.  But they were down 42-24 with 1:30 to go.  That's quite a big margain for people to think that SJF is still better.  AU probably could've scored too if they wanted to while they were in Fisher territory at the end of the game. 
 

In the E8 race the RPI loss means nothing...

However, in terms of national perception it means something...

Losing to RPI took you out of the national picture, justifiably so, and beating SJF brought you back into it...

Yes you took us to the woodshed, congrats, take the emotion out of it and try to think about it from an unbiased observers point of view...

This AU rooter does't care about the rankings.  Let us just contine to play at a high level of intensity and rankings and seedings, etc, will take care of themselves.

On Saxon Warriors!!

I've got a ton of respect for AU fans on here, they're pretty level headed and are always good for a solid football discussion...

I get 8's stance on it and basically agree with it, I really do, but sometimes you gotta take a step back and look at it w/o emotion...

[Jonny Utah]

Lets all face it.  There have been certain trends in the E8 over the last 10 years.

-SJF has owned Ithaca.
-SJF chokes and loses to a good team every year.
-Alfred has been real good, but not as great as SJF has been.
-SJF blows out more teams than Alfred has (including this year)
-Springfield looks better in the regular season than they do in the playoffs
-Ithaca has turned it on at the end of the season and that often counts the most.
-Hartwick has been Hartwick.  Dangerous, but still Hartwick.
-Utica is the only team with a drastic change (getting better ever year).

[Bombers798891]

SJF, for some reason, was considered the best in the conference.  AU beat them.  How come people still think SJF is still the best in the conference.
 

For the same reason no-one thought Hartwick was actually better than SJF in 2007. For the same reason UW-Stevens Point won't be ranked ahead of Whitewater if they beat them on Saturday. For the same reason Salisbury won't be ahead of Wesley if they beat them on Saturday. For the same reason Hardin-Simmons will stay ahead of Louisiana College if they lose to them.

Alfred has done nothing in the last 6-7 years to warrant national respect. They've had one conference title, and they were beaten in the first round that season. They never challenge themselves out of conference, instead choosing to inflate their overall record with a collection of nobodies before folding late in the season against tougher competition.

Are they a good team? Of course. Are they the best team in the Empire 8? Looks that way. But so what? What did being the best team in the E8 earn them last season? A butt-whipping at IC and a first round loss.

What did being the "best" team in the E8 get IC in 2008? A first-round loss
What did being the "best" team in the E8 get Wick in 2007? A first round loss.

The Saxons have had chances to earn national respect. Maybe this year, they'll finally take advantage

[AlfredSaxon8]

Newsflash Upstate- Out of Conference really doesn't matter.  When Lycoming beat IC in 05 did it matter? Not really.  But NO ONE in the conference was ranked ahead of IC.  That's the point.  SJF, for some reason, was considered the best in the conference.  AU beat them.  How come people still think SJF is still the best in the conference.

And again- SJF lost by 11.  But they were down 42-24 with 1:30 to go.  That's quite a big margain for people to think that SJF is still better.  AU probably could've scored too if they wanted to while they were in Fisher territory at the end of the game. 
 

In the E8 race the RPI loss means nothing...

However, in terms of national perception it means something...

Losing to RPI took you out of the national picture, justifiably so, and beating SJF brought you back into it...

Yes you took us to the woodshed, congrats, take the emotion out of it and try to think about it from an unbiased observers point of view...

This AU rooter does't care about the rankings.  Let us just contine to play at a high level of intensity and rankings and seedings, etc, will take care of themselves.

On Saxon Warriors!!

I've got a ton of respect for AU fans on here, they're pretty level headed and are always good for a solid football discussion...

I get 8's stance on it and basically agree with it, I really do, but sometimes you gotta take a step back and look at it w/o emotion...

I know, I know. I get too emotional with it.  I try to present a level-headed position but I feel like AU has not gotten a lot of national respect while Fisher's has exploded over the past few years.  I'm going to try and say this as nicely and unoffensively as possible because I'm not taking a shot at Fisher at all.  But, does Fisher have more respect and notority because they hung with MUC in 06, like riding the coattails sort of thing?

I mean, it did wonders for the E8 in general notority.  I applaud Fisher for the game and they have a great program no doubt.  If you think about it, AU, IC, SJF, Springfield and Hartwick have all been ranked in the past few years.  But my freshman year, IC was the only team ranked in the top 25.  I think it's gotten the E8 a lot of respect.

Fisher has accounted for most of the E8 wins in playoff games but I think AU has ALWAYS been right there with Fisher yet people don't think they deserve to ever actually be better than them... make sense?

Again, I'm not trying to offend anyone.  SJF is a great program and has done an incredible amount in regards to the E8, I have the upmost respect for them.  

[fisheralum91]

sax8 i dont know if the coattails of 06 is right- but it is close.
you have to remember that it wasnt just MUC that they hung with that got them notariety.
It was the way they got to the final 4....
They CRUSHED the "Beast of the East" Rowan....That wasnt only a signature win that season- it was a program builder.
So the fact that Fisher was no longer a secret and now on the National radar meant everything to the program.
Fisher has followed up with consistant post season appearances and look to do the same this year.
AU has not done that--not even close....

sorry--a little blunt- but true

[AlfredSaxon8]

SJF, for some reason, was considered the best in the conference.  AU beat them.  How come people still think SJF is still the best in the conference.
 

For the same reason no-one thought Hartwick was actually better than SJF in 2007. For the same reason UW-Stevens Point won't be ranked ahead of Whitewater if they beat them on Saturday. For the same reason Salisbury won't be ahead of Wesley if they beat them on Saturday. For the same reason Hardin-Simmons will stay ahead of Louisiana College if they lose to them.

Alfred has done nothing in the last 6-7 years to warrant national respect. They've had one conference title, and they were beaten in the first round that season. They never challenge themselves out of conference, instead choosing to inflate their overall record with a collection of nobodies before folding late in the season against tougher competition.

Are they a good team? Of course. Are they the best team in the Empire 8? Looks that way. But so what? What did being the best team in the E8 earn them last season? A butt-whipping at IC and a first round loss.

What did being the "best" team in the E8 get IC in 2008? A first-round loss
What did being the "best" team in the E8 get Wick in 2007? A first round loss.

The Saxons have had chances to earn national respect. Maybe this year, they'll finally take advantage

Bombers thats ridiculous.  You obviously have no respect for AU as a program.