FB: Empire 8

[AlfredSaxon8]

sax8 i dont know if the coattails of 06 is right- but it is close.
you have to remember that it wasnt just MUC that they hung with that got them notariety.
It was the way they got to the final 4....
They CRUSHED the "Beast of the East" Rowan....That wasnt only a signature win that season- it was a program builder.
So the fact that Fisher was no longer a secret and now on the National radar meant everything to the program.
Fisher has followed up with consistant post season appearances and look to do the same this year.
AU has not done that--not even close....

sorry--a little blunt- but true

Very understandable.  I have so much respect for that.  I was literally yelling and cheering in my dorm room for Fisher in 06. 

But my point is this... that was 4 years ago.  Why can't this be AU's year? Why do people have make it seem like the Fisher loss was almost a fluke and not accept AU is the better team?

[maxpower]

SJF, for some reason, was considered the best in the conference.  AU beat them.  How come people still think SJF is still the best in the conference.
 

For the same reason no-one thought Hartwick was actually better than SJF in 2007. For the same reason UW-Stevens Point won't be ranked ahead of Whitewater if they beat them on Saturday. For the same reason Salisbury won't be ahead of Wesley if they beat them on Saturday. For the same reason Hardin-Simmons will stay ahead of Louisiana College if they lose to them.

Alfred has done nothing in the last 6-7 years to warrant national respect. They've had one conference title, and they were beaten in the first round that season. They never challenge themselves out of conference, instead choosing to inflate their overall record with a collection of nobodies before folding late in the season against tougher competition.

Are they a good team? Of course. Are they the best team in the Empire 8? Looks that way. But so what? What did being the best team in the E8 earn them last season? A butt-whipping at IC and a first round loss.

What did being the "best" team in the E8 get IC in 2008? A first-round loss
What did being the "best" team in the E8 get Wick in 2007? A first round loss.

The Saxons have had chances to earn national respect. Maybe this year, they'll finally take advantage

Bombers thats ridiculous.  You obviously have no respect for AU as a program.

What's ridiculous about it? The only thing you've said so far (AU is the best in the conference this year) he agreed with!

[fisheralum91]

Sax8 this could be the year that AU goes to the final 4- and if so ill be cheering from my living room.
I think that there is less "respect" because there is no history to reflect on in terms of national notariety.
Hell- you guys have our number - no doubt...If Fisher and AU both go to the NCAAs and i expect them to, Ill root for both as long as they dont get a rematch!

[AlfredSaxon8]

SJF, for some reason, was considered the best in the conference.  AU beat them.  How come people still think SJF is still the best in the conference.
 

For the same reason no-one thought Hartwick was actually better than SJF in 2007. For the same reason UW-Stevens Point won't be ranked ahead of Whitewater if they beat them on Saturday. For the same reason Salisbury won't be ahead of Wesley if they beat them on Saturday. For the same reason Hardin-Simmons will stay ahead of Louisiana College if they lose to them.

Alfred has done nothing in the last 6-7 years to warrant national respect. They've had one conference title, and they were beaten in the first round that season. They never challenge themselves out of conference, instead choosing to inflate their overall record with a collection of nobodies before folding late in the season against tougher competition.

Are they a good team? Of course. Are they the best team in the Empire 8? Looks that way. But so what? What did being the best team in the E8 earn them last season? A butt-whipping at IC and a first round loss.

What did being the "best" team in the E8 get IC in 2008? A first-round loss
What did being the "best" team in the E8 get Wick in 2007? A first round loss.

The Saxons have had chances to earn national respect. Maybe this year, they'll finally take advantage

Bombers thats ridiculous.  You obviously have no respect for AU as a program.

What's ridiculous about it? The only thing you've said so far (AU is the best in the conference this year) he agreed with!

The Saxons deserve national respect and I don't understand how they have failed to take advantage of it.  

[AlfredSaxon8]

Sax8 this could be the year that AU goes to the final 4- and if so ill be cheering from my living room.
I think that there is less "respect" because there is no history to reflect on in terms of national notariety.
Hell- you guys have our number - no doubt...If Fisher and AU both go to the NCAAs and i expect them to, Ill root for both as long as they dont get a rematch!

I completely understand that.  But I guess I just dont see how 1 year (06) is that much history to constantly keep SJF in the national spotlight when I feel like AU is well deserving...

[maxpower]

This hockey analogy probably won't go far, but a couple days ago a buddy of mine asked me who the best NHL team of all-time is. Now, I'm a Detroit fan, but the answer is easy: Montreal.

What has Montreal done since '93? Diddly-squat. A couple upsets in the first round, I think made it to one conference final. But having 24 championships.... or really, the most championships, no matter how many, will earn you "respect" for a long while.

Ithaca has three, which is why they will still be "recognized" at a national level for being a great program for a while.... great or not (this year: not).

SJF had a monster year in 06, and will be recognized for a while to come, although not forever. Just ask Lycoming.... few remember their finals appearances in the 90s (and 80s).

The point is not whether it's justified. The point is for some reason people won't believe in your program until they've seen your program DO IT. It doesn't (hopefully) change the product Alfred puts on the field.

[maxpower]

I don't understand how Alfred beating Fisher on a rainy day at home a week after losing to F****** RPI earns them "national respect." You must not know much about the north region.

[AlfredSaxon8]

This hockey analogy probably won't go far, but a couple days ago a buddy of mine asked me who the best NHL team of all-time is. Now, I'm a Detroit fan, but the answer is easy: Montreal.

What has Montreal done since '93? Diddly-squat. A couple upsets in the first round, I think made it to one conference final. But having 24 championships.... or really, the most championships, no matter how many, will earn you "respect" for a long while.

Ithaca has three, which is why they will still be "recognized" at a national level for being a great program for a while.... great or not (this year: not).

SJF had a monster year in 06, and will be recognized for a while to come, although not forever. Just ask Lycoming.... few remember their finals appearances in the 90s (and 80s).

The point is not whether it's justified. The point is for some reason people won't believe in your program until they've seen your program DO IT. It doesn't (hopefully) change the product Alfred puts on the field.

I respect that.  I guess I just didn't like the way Bombers made it seem like AU was un-deserving of it.  That's all.  

[Jonny Utah]

2010- You don't get national respect when you lose to a below average RPI team.  

2009- You don't get national respect when you lose to a team which loses to Mt. Union 55-3

2008- You don't get national respect when you lose 4 games to anyone.

2007- You don't get national respect when you get beat bad in 2 games to teams in your own league.

2006- etc

2005- etc


I'll give you all the regional respect you want.

[AlfredSaxon8]

I don't understand how Alfred beating Fisher on a rainy day at home a week after losing to F****** RPI earns them "national respect." You must not know much about the north region.

So now you're taking a shot at the way Alfred beat Fisher? On a rainy day? Like that had something to do with it?

Then how about you check the weather from the RPI game, which was obvsiouly a factor but I haven't said anything about...

[maxpower]

When did Fisher play Mount in the regular season? 07 and 08, or 09? Anyway, say Fisher had somehow pulled it out and beaten Mount in week one or two. Hoooooooly ish, the country would go crazy. Ten weeks later, if Fisher didn't manage to win their own conferences because of losses to, say, Alfred, no one would care about Fisher anymore. I think our point is you haven't even won the conference yet, which is probably why we're not trying to one-up each other with how much Alfred will beat DVC by to get into the semifinal.


EDIT: Re: your last post. No, Alfred deserved every bit of that win. I'm just saying, one win against a team you usually beat.... where do you get national respect from that?

[AlfredSaxon8]

2010- You don't get national respect when you lose to a below average RPI team.  

2009- You don't get national respect when you lose to a team which loses to Mt. Union 55-3

2008- You don't get national respect when you lose 4 games to anyone.

2007- You don't get national respect when you get beat bad in 2 games to teams in your own league.

2006- etc

2005- etc


I'll give you all the regional respect you want.

My point is this... You guys are making it seem like Alfred doesn't deserve the respect but SJF had 1 year and suddenly they are gods? That's how it is.  Go back and do the same thing year by year for Fisher and IC too, I bet the result isn't that different.  Yet they get the respect that AU doesn't?

[AlfredSaxon8]

When did Fisher play Mount in the regular season? 07 and 08, or 09? Anyway, say Fisher had somehow pulled it out and beaten Mount in week one or two. Hoooooooly ish, the country would go crazy. Ten weeks later, if Fisher didn't manage to win their own conferences because of losses to, say, Alfred, no one would care about Fisher anymore. I think our point is you haven't even won the conference yet, which is probably why we're not trying to one-up each other with how much Alfred will beat DVC by to get into the semifinal.


EDIT: Re: your last post. No, Alfred deserved every bit of that win. I'm just saying, one win against a team you usually beat.... where do you get national respect from that?

You're right, they haven't won the conference yet.  But had SJF won last week, there would be a god damn parade in Penfield.  Yet AU beats Fisher and is still behind them in the fans poll. 

[fisheralum91]

When did Fisher play Mount in the regular season? 07 and 08, or 09? Anyway, say Fisher had somehow pulled it out and beaten Mount in week one or two. Hoooooooly ish, the country would go crazy. Ten weeks later, if Fisher didn't manage to win their own conferences because of losses to, say, Alfred, no one would care about Fisher anymore. I think our point is you haven't even won the conference yet, which is probably why we're not trying to one-up each other with how much Alfred will beat DVC by to get into the semifinal.


EDIT: Re: your last post. No, Alfred deserved every bit of that win. I'm just saying, one win against a team you usually beat.... where do you get national respect from that?

You're right, they haven't won the conference yet.  But had SJF won last week, there would be a god damn parade in Penfield.  Yet AU beats Fisher and is still behind them in the fans poll. 

Um.........Its Pittsford   

[AlfredSaxon8]

When did Fisher play Mount in the regular season? 07 and 08, or 09? Anyway, say Fisher had somehow pulled it out and beaten Mount in week one or two. Hoooooooly ish, the country would go crazy. Ten weeks later, if Fisher didn't manage to win their own conferences because of losses to, say, Alfred, no one would care about Fisher anymore. I think our point is you haven't even won the conference yet, which is probably why we're not trying to one-up each other with how much Alfred will beat DVC by to get into the semifinal.


EDIT: Re: your last post. No, Alfred deserved every bit of that win. I'm just saying, one win against a team you usually beat.... where do you get national respect from that?

You're right, they haven't won the conference yet.  But had SJF won last week, there would be a god damn parade in Penfield.  Yet AU beats Fisher and is still behind them in the fans poll. 

Um.........Its Pittsford   

Haha well played!