FB: Empire 8

[AO]

How would you feel if you were a Bethel football player?  You beat St. Thomas last year and have to watch another 8-2 team get picked for the playoffs while you sit home and watch them get crushed by St. Thomas.  You were ranked #21 at the end of the regular season while SJF was not ranked at all.   

That said, I'd much rather have Fisher in the playoffs than some of the Pool A teams.  Hopefully even if they don't make any changes to send the best 32 teams to the playoffs, they'll continue to mix up the bracket so we can see more East vs. West in the earlier rounds.

[Bombers798891]

It's interesting to me that Fisher guys are talking about running the score up when they threw a TD pass in the 4th quarter against Rochester when already up 45 to 3...and in the 4th quarter against Utica when already up 42-15.

Last year, Fisher had Bailey in the game in the 4th quarter against Brockport, up 41-12, and he threw a TD pass. Then the backup threw ANOTHER one when up 48-12.

Oh, here's a good one. Up 42-21 with five minutes to go against Rochester last year, Fisher threw an 84 yard touchdown pass from Bailey to Francis. On the first play of the drive. Cause, you know, when you've got a 21 point lead with five minutes to go and have a 1st and 10, the game is really in doubt.

The point is, we don't have to look very hard to find situations where every team is doing things they don't have to do. I'm sure Ithaca's done it (back when they were actually good enough to blow teams out.) We're all living in glass houses, fellas

[sjfcards]

It's interesting to me that Fisher guys are talking about running the score up when they threw a TD pass in the 4th quarter against Rochester when already up 45 to 3...and in the 4th quarter against Utica when already up 42-15.

Last year, Fisher had Bailey in the game in the 4th quarter against Brockport, up 41-12, and he threw a TD pass. Then the backup threw ANOTHER one when up 48-12.

Oh, here's a good one. Up 42-21 with five minutes to go against Rochester last year, Fisher threw an 84 yard touchdown pass from Bailey to Francis. On the first play of the drive. Cause, you know, when you've got a 21 point lead with five minutes to go and have a 1st and 10, the game is really in doubt.

The point is, we don't have to look very hard to find situations where every team is doing things they don't have to do. I'm sure Ithaca's done it (back when they were actually good enough to blow teams out.) We're all living in glass houses, fellas

I agree that those are all examples of "bad" behavior by the Fisher sidelines (and I have always held a theory that the Fisher coaching staff has long memories for teams that used to beat up on the Fisher teams of the 90's, and does not let up on them...see Buff State, Brockport, U of R, etc).

I don't have as much of a problem with the pass play at the end of the game as I do the fake field goal. Teams can run their offense, but running a fake field goal up 28 seems a bit much.

[Upstate]

It's interesting to me that Fisher guys are talking about running the score up when they threw a TD pass in the 4th quarter against Rochester when already up 45 to 3...and in the 4th quarter against Utica when already up 42-15.

Fisher attempted 2 passes vs UR and last pass was at 8:30 in the 4th. Not :30 seconds.

Fisher attempted 3 passes in the entire 2nd half of the Utica game, none after 13:50 in the 4th.

Once again not with 30 seconds left.

Last year, Fisher had Bailey in the game in the 4th quarter against Brockport, up 41-12, and he threw a TD pass. Then the backup threw ANOTHER one when up 48-12.

The back up threw his TD with more than 11:30 to go in the 4th.

Not a pass was thrown with less than 6 minutes left and on SJF's final drive with 3:30+ to go they ran the ball 7 times and had the ball inside Brockports 20 with 30 seconds left, did they do a play action fake and have the QB run it in?  Nope they took a knee.

Oh, here's a good one. Up 42-21 with five minutes to go against Rochester last year, Fisher threw an 84 yard touchdown pass from Bailey to Francis. On the first play of the drive. Cause, you know, when you've got a 21 point lead with five minutes to go and have a 1st and 10, the game is really in doubt.

Trust me, that was a horse **** call.  It was a play action max protect and purposely went for the kill shot classless.

Like I said earlier there's things you don't do in sports in blow outs on both sides of the ball.  You don't try to throw the ball 3 times with under a 1:00 left in the game like STU did and you don't do chicken **** stuff like kick a FG down by 50 vs MUC just to say you didn't get shut out.

[Bombers798891]

It's interesting to me that Fisher guys are talking about running the score up when they threw a TD pass in the 4th quarter against Rochester when already up 45 to 3...and in the 4th quarter against Utica when already up 42-15.

Fisher attempted 2 passes vs UR and last pass was at 8:30 in the 4th. Not :30 seconds.

Fisher attempted 3 passes in the entire 2nd half of the Utica game, none after 13:50 in the 4th.

Once again not with 30 seconds left.

Last year, Fisher had Bailey in the game in the 4th quarter against Brockport, up 41-12, and he threw a TD pass. Then the backup threw ANOTHER one when up 48-12.

The back up threw his TD with more than 11:30 to go in the 4th.

Not a pass was thrown with less than 6 minutes left and on SJF's final drive with 3:30+ to go they ran the ball 7 times and had the ball inside Brockports 20 with 30 seconds left, did they do a play action fake and have the QB run it in?  Nope they took a knee.

Oh, here's a good one. Up 42-21 with five minutes to go against Rochester last year, Fisher threw an 84 yard touchdown pass from Bailey to Francis. On the first play of the drive. Cause, you know, when you've got a 21 point lead with five minutes to go and have a 1st and 10, the game is really in doubt.

Trust me, that was a horse **** call.  It was a play action max protect and purposely went for the kill shot classless.

Like I said earlier there's things you don't do in sports in blow outs on both sides of the ball.  You don't try to throw the ball 3 times with under a 1:00 left in the game like STU did and you don't do chicken **** stuff like kick a FG down by 50 vs MUC just to say you didn't get shut out.

So what's the cutoff? Seriously not trying to be a jerk here, but what's the point of no return? To me, yeah 11 minutes is a lot of time, but 42 points is a lot of points. Three passes isn't a lot, but would five be? Seven? Does it change if starters are involved?

This is where it gets murky, and why complaining is kind of a bad idea. Because you're always going to ruffle someone's feathers, but hey, they've done it too.

[Upstate]

So what's the cutoff? Seriously not trying to be a jerk here, but what's the point of no return? To me, yeah 11 minutes is a lot of time, but 42 points is a lot of points. Three passes isn't a lot, but would five be? Seven? Does it change if starters are involved?

This is where it gets murky, and why complaining is kind of a bad idea. Because you're always going to ruffle someone's feathers, but hey, they've done it too.

The cut off?

No idea but if you're dropping back to pass 3 times with under 1:00 left up by 20+ I'm pretty sure you're past the cut off.

[fisheralum91]

wow Frank,
I guess i expected more.
really? 
Ok
Max- I had you as a straight shooter.
Enjoy the off season boys.

[wesleydad]

I am not sure what the cutoff is, but I do remember when my son was playing QB as a freshman and came in the 4th quarter when Wesley was comfortably ahead of Salisbury.  He came to the line of scrimmage, read the blitz, changed the play, threw a pass that went for about 30 yards and proceded to get his butt chewed out by Drass on the field before the next play was run.  I also witnessed many games in which Wesley was well ahead and had many starters still in late in the 3rd or early in the 4th when I thought they should have already subbed in the 2 and 3's.  Each coach has to look themselves in the mirror and decide what they can live with knowing that it could happen to them down the road.

[pg04]

wow Frank,
I guess i expected more.
really? 
Ok
Max- I had you as a straight shooter.
Enjoy the off season boys.

What the heck are you talking about? Frank was defending Fisher, his 91 comment was as much about his own corny joking than anything about you.  Also, Max was shooting straight, apparently you couldn't handle that.... the way you are acting, he is correct.

I am aware that you don't really care what I post here, which is fine, but you overreact to EVERYTHING.

[sjfcards]

I am not sure what the cutoff is, but I do remember when my son was playing QB as a freshman and came in the 4th quarter when Wesley was comfortably ahead of Salisbury.  He came to the line of scrimmage, read the blitz, changed the play, threw a pass that went for about 30 yards and proceded to get his butt chewed out by Drass on the field before the next play was run.  I also witnessed many games in which Wesley was well ahead and had many starters still in late in the 3rd or early in the 4th when I thought they should have already subbed in the 2 and 3's.  Each coach has to look themselves in the mirror and decide what they can live with knowing that it could happen to them down the road.

I tend to agree with this. It is really hard to say what the cutoff is for unsportsmanlike stuff, but I know it when I see it. I have seen much worse than what UST did this past game, but I also felt like several play calls were 'questionable'.

[pg04]

Apparantly the karma snipers don't like me being honest.  Oh well.

[SU Backer]

 I am going to jump into this fray with my .02 ...This is COLLEGE football. Salisbury has appeared to "run it up" on teams and had it "run up" on them. (Wesleydad - I remember '05  a 63-19 Wesley win over SU -I spoke to coach Wood after that game and he said-"We need to play and coach better, simple as that". Now I am sure he hated losing to Wesley as much or more than anyone, but he didn't fault them for scoring every chance they got. You can bet if the tables were turned he would have had that foot on the throttle too. Ask college coaches and they will tell you that all you can do is coach your team and  other side coaches theirs. Most have a "give no quarter and expect no quarter" mentality. They also know that what goes around usually comes around. It irks us as fans when the team we love is smacked hard and that is understandable, but most players understand that at this level it is what it is. With that said coaches have very long memories and if UST and SJF cross paths again, I'm sure the SJF coaches will remind the players of this game!
Go Gulls!

[Pat Coleman]

How would you feel if you were a Bethel football player?  You beat St. Thomas last year and have to watch another 8-2 team get picked for the playoffs while you sit home and watch them get crushed by St. Thomas.  You were ranked #21 at the end of the regular season while SJF was not ranked at all.   

It's not the 2010 playoffs we were selecting teams for.

[Pat Coleman]

So what's the cutoff? Seriously not trying to be a jerk here, but what's the point of no return? To me, yeah 11 minutes is a lot of time, but 42 points is a lot of points. Three passes isn't a lot, but would five be? Seven? Does it change if starters are involved?

This is where it gets murky, and why complaining is kind of a bad idea. Because you're always going to ruffle someone's feathers, but hey, they've done it too.

The cut off?

No idea but if you're dropping back to pass 3 times with under 1:00 left up by 20+ I'm pretty sure you're past the cut off.

Now a quarterback keeper is the same as a pass? Does someone have to bite on the play-action in order for it to be the same as a pass? Please enlighten us as to your rules.

Again, it's a playoff game. It's their 2's against your 1's. Make the stop and this isn't an issue.

[Upstate]

So what's the cutoff? Seriously not trying to be a jerk here, but what's the point of no return? To me, yeah 11 minutes is a lot of time, but 42 points is a lot of points. Three passes isn't a lot, but would five be? Seven? Does it change if starters are involved?

This is where it gets murky, and why complaining is kind of a bad idea. Because you're always going to ruffle someone's feathers, but hey, they've done it too.

The cut off?

No idea but if you're dropping back to pass 3 times with under 1:00 left up by 20+ I'm pretty sure you're past the cut off.

Now a quarterback keeper is the same as a pass? Does someone have to bite on the play-action in order for it to be the same as a pass? Please enlighten us as to your rules.

Again, it's a playoff game. It's their 2's against your 1's. Make the stop and this isn't an issue.

What don't you get about there being 30 seconds left?