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[dlippiel]

Dlip agrees with PBR regarding the suspicious time length in regards to the NCAA investigation. 8 days really? For such a ****ing horrific crime and cover-up? Something does not mesh to dlip. Dlip is glad the school is getting punished though. Yes more information is needed but bottom line it is obvious the University ****ed up here. Honetly Paterno sas Christ in state college. He could have made sure Mr. Sandusky was unable to even look at anything blue and white, let alone have continued access to his charity and youth once Mcquery notified him of what he saw. Dlip does keep in perspective how easy it is to say this removed and on his couch, nut bottom line, Jopa, who dlip loved, could have amd should have done more.

[AlfredSaxon8]

I do want to say this though... I feel like to a certain extent, this is becoming an issue more related to football than should be.  Yes, if football did not exist at Penn State its arguable this may not have occurred there etc. etc.   But my biggest issue is GO AFTER THOSE INVOLVED CRIMINALLY.  If JoePa was still around, make him answer up.  They need to go after the President, the AD, anyone involved.  Yes, the DOJ is probably looking into charges but these individuals enabled the destruction of childrens lives.  They aren't getting fined $60 million.  They aren't subject to a bowl ban.  They didn't lose scholarships.  Yet, according to the report, they were all directly involved.  Make them answer up.  Take it to a grand jury and indict them. 

Also, I feel like the $60 million should be partially paid restitution to the unidentified victims in addition to a variety of charity organization.  YES, give part of the money to charity.  But make the University pay restitution to those involved, that way, no matter the amount, it shows some type of responsibility from the University.  It's easy to write a check to charity.  Its much more meaningful to write a check as an admission of guilt.

I just feel, that in the context of law, there's a lot more involved and instead of answering up in a criminal matter, they are going after the University civilly.  And because of that, it's more tangible punishment than intangible.  Guilt should be a factor and unfortanetly, I feel like Penn State will only be paying with their pocket books and on the football field than punishing those directly involved. 

I hold out hope that the DOJ does in fact do something.  And I am very glad the NCAA did the best they could probably do with the circumstances.  But the scales of Justice need to be balanced and its not going happen with dollars and wins on the football field.     

[Jonny Utah]

Dlip agrees with PBR regarding the suspicious time length in regards to the NCAA investigation. 8 days really? For such a ****ing horrific crime and cover-up? Something does not mesh to dlip. Dlip is glad the school is getting punished though. Yes more information is needed but bottom line it is obvious the University ****ed up here. Honetly Paterno sas Christ in state college. He could have made sure Mr. Sandusky was unable to even look at anything blue and white, let alone have continued access to his charity and youth once Mcquery notified him of what he saw. Dlip does keep in perspective how easy it is to say this removed and on his couch, nut bottom line, Jopa, who dlip loved, could have amd should have done more.

I think the quick investigation helps Penn State though (unless they didn't do anything, or thought the report was unfair, or wanted to appeal or question the report).  The quick decision means that Penn State's punishment starts now and ends 5-6 years from now.  Penn State is already getting punished (by the loss of recruits/transfers) even before the NCAA decision came out.

[PBR...]

I do want to say this though... I feel like to a certain extent, this is becoming an issue more related to football than should be.  Yes, if football did not exist at Penn State its arguable this may not have occurred there etc. etc.   But my biggest issue is GO AFTER THOSE INVOLVED CRIMINALLY.  If JoePa was still around, make him answer up.  They need to go after the President, the AD, anyone involved.  Yes, the DOJ is probably looking into charges but these individuals enabled the destruction of childrens lives.  They aren't getting fined $60 million.  They aren't subject to a bowl ban.  They didn't lose scholarships.  Yet, according to the report, they were all directly involved.  Make them answer up.  Take it to a grand jury and indict them. 

Also, I feel like the $60 million should be partially paid restitution to the unidentified victims in addition to a variety of charity organization.  YES, give part of the money to charity.  But make the University pay restitution to those involved, that way, no matter the amount, it shows some type of responsibility from the University.  It's easy to write a check to charity.  Its much more meaningful to write a check as an admission of guilt.

I just feel, that in the context of law, there's a lot more involved and instead of answering up in a criminal matter, they are going after the University civilly.  And because of that, it's more tangible punishment than intangible.  Guilt should be a factor and unfortanetly, I feel like Penn State will only be paying with their pocket books and on the football field than punishing those directly involved. 

I hold out hope that the DOJ does in fact do something.  And I am very glad the NCAA did the best they could probably do with the circumstances.  But the scales of Justice need to be balanced and its not going happen with dollars and wins on the football field.   

Well a lot of this is now being questioned which is a good thing. The media is now realizing the stench behind this whole thing and is starting to look at things objectively. As I posted yesterday a big chunk of this goes right at PA's current governor who somehow is getting a free pass in this thing but hopefully not much longer. PSU will be writing very big checks now as the civil lawsuits start their progression. So I am not sure where you think PSU will not be writing checks to the victims. In addition they have to pay the ncaa $60 million dollars. Have no idea how on earth you think the ncaa did as best they could under the circumstances??? Really? All the involved parties have had criminal charges brought against them, who hasn't? They also can have civil suits brought against them and their fines could be worse then $60 million as well. Not sure how much you have been following the case by asking some of these questions hopefully I filled in some blanks for you. 

[Jonny Utah]

I do want to say this though... I feel like to a certain extent, this is becoming an issue more related to football than should be.  Yes, if football did not exist at Penn State its arguable this may not have occurred there etc. etc.   But my biggest issue is GO AFTER THOSE INVOLVED CRIMINALLY.  If JoePa was still around, make him answer up.  They need to go after the President, the AD, anyone involved.  Yes, the DOJ is probably looking into charges but these individuals enabled the destruction of childrens lives.  They aren't getting fined $60 million.  They aren't subject to a bowl ban.  They didn't lose scholarships.  Yet, according to the report, they were all directly involved.  Make them answer up.  Take it to a grand jury and indict them. 

Also, I feel like the $60 million should be partially paid restitution to the unidentified victims in addition to a variety of charity organization.  YES, give part of the money to charity.  But make the University pay restitution to those involved, that way, no matter the amount, it shows some type of responsibility from the University.  It's easy to write a check to charity.  Its much more meaningful to write a check as an admission of guilt.

I just feel, that in the context of law, there's a lot more involved and instead of answering up in a criminal matter, they are going after the University civilly.  And because of that, it's more tangible punishment than intangible.  Guilt should be a factor and unfortanetly, I feel like Penn State will only be paying with their pocket books and on the football field than punishing those directly involved. 

I hold out hope that the DOJ does in fact do something.  And I am very glad the NCAA did the best they could probably do with the circumstances.  But the scales of Justice need to be balanced and its not going happen with dollars and wins on the football field.   

Well a lot of this is now being questioned which is a good thing. The media is now realizing the stench behind this whole thing and is starting to look at things objectively. As I posted yesterday a big chunk of this goes right at PA's current governor who somehow is getting a free pass in this thing but hopefully not much longer. PSU will be writing very big checks now as the civil lawsuits start their progression. So I am not sure where you think PSU will not be writing checks to the victims. In addition they have to pay the ncaa $60 million dollars. Have no idea how on earth you think the ncaa did as best they could under the circumstances??? Really? All the involved parties have had criminal charges brought against them, who hasn't? They also can have civil suits brought against them and their fines could be worse then $60 million as well. Not sure how much you have been following the case by asking some of these questions hopefully I filled in some blanks for you.

Yea I was gonna say....Penn State is going to be paying a lot more than 60 million.  When you think of it that way, the taxpayers are now footing some of the bill for this.

[PBR...]

Also great job by the ncaa here with this free for all with all the players...I am sure this is just what they wanted...PSU players are now being called and harassed by coaches for all over at all hours of the night as well as coaches camped outside players doors. Institutional Control? Maybe the ncaa should look at themselves...here is a tweet from 1 psu player and there are many others just like it...what a joke this has become by putting no rules in for opposing coaches...

Stephon Morris
‏@12_darKnight

We have chosen to stay at PSU & other opposing coaches are outside our apartment. Was that the intentions of the NCAA #LeaveUsAlone #WeAre

[Jonny Utah]

It will also be interesting to see how the general college football fan reacts to Penn State football in terms of supporting or hating the team.  I tell ya what, I'm going to be routing for them in every game they play in.

[PBR...]

It will also be interesting to see how the general college football fan reacts to Penn State football in terms of supporting or hating the team.  I tell ya what, I'm going to be routing for them in every game they play in.

Saw O'Brien said some coaches were classy and asked if it were ok to contact certain players....O'Brien told those coaches go right ahead. He said other coaches were going directly to all the players and poaching everything they could and saying/doing things very much under the table...(Ummm hello Urban Meyer)

[Knightstalker]

It will also be interesting to see how the general college football fan reacts to Penn State football in terms of supporting or hating the team.  I tell ya what, I'm going to be routing for them in every game they play in.

Saw O'Brien said some coaches were classy and asked if it were ok to contact certain players....O'Brien told those coaches go right ahead. He said other coaches were going directly to all the players and poaching everything they could and saying/doing things very much under the table...(Ummm hello Urban Meyer)

I thought the NCAA regulations prohibited coaches from contacting the players first in a situation like this, that the player had to initiate contact.

[AlfredSaxon8]

I do want to say this though... I feel like to a certain extent, this is becoming an issue more related to football than should be.  Yes, if football did not exist at Penn State its arguable this may not have occurred there etc. etc.   But my biggest issue is GO AFTER THOSE INVOLVED CRIMINALLY.  If JoePa was still around, make him answer up.  They need to go after the President, the AD, anyone involved.  Yes, the DOJ is probably looking into charges but these individuals enabled the destruction of childrens lives.  They aren't getting fined $60 million.  They aren't subject to a bowl ban.  They didn't lose scholarships.  Yet, according to the report, they were all directly involved.  Make them answer up.  Take it to a grand jury and indict them. 

Also, I feel like the $60 million should be partially paid restitution to the unidentified victims in addition to a variety of charity organization.  YES, give part of the money to charity.  But make the University pay restitution to those involved, that way, no matter the amount, it shows some type of responsibility from the University.  It's easy to write a check to charity.  Its much more meaningful to write a check as an admission of guilt.

I just feel, that in the context of law, there's a lot more involved and instead of answering up in a criminal matter, they are going after the University civilly.  And because of that, it's more tangible punishment than intangible.  Guilt should be a factor and unfortanetly, I feel like Penn State will only be paying with their pocket books and on the football field than punishing those directly involved. 

I hold out hope that the DOJ does in fact do something.  And I am very glad the NCAA did the best they could probably do with the circumstances.  But the scales of Justice need to be balanced and its not going happen with dollars and wins on the football field.   

Well a lot of this is now being questioned which is a good thing. The media is now realizing the stench behind this whole thing and is starting to look at things objectively. As I posted yesterday a big chunk of this goes right at PA's current governor who somehow is getting a free pass in this thing but hopefully not much longer. PSU will be writing very big checks now as the civil lawsuits start their progression. So I am not sure where you think PSU will not be writing checks to the victims. In addition they have to pay the ncaa $60 million dollars. Have no idea how on earth you think the ncaa did as best they could under the circumstances??? Really? All the involved parties have had criminal charges brought against them, who hasn't? They also can have civil suits brought against them and their fines could be worse then $60 million as well. Not sure how much you have been following the case by asking some of these questions hopefully I filled in some blanks for you.

Sandusky is the only one with charges against them? Unless I terribly missed something... Everyone involved is liable, thats what I was saying. Any accomplice or anyone who covered this up can be charged as a co-conspirator under the definition of the law.   

And I have been following this.  The problem is that everyone loves to look at this from a football perspective and its not.  Not matter what, at the end of the day, it has very little to do with football.  The point is, that you can fine them up the a$$, take away scholarships, tv time, ANYTHING, but when it comes down to it, people with the power to prevent or stop this from happening are still walking on the same streets as you and I.  That's the point.  Going based on that, the NCAA did everything within their power to punish them based on the facts at the time.

And yes, I understand they are going to be writing checks to the victims.  But that is going to be court mandated from a civil liability suit, not an NCAA punishment.

You didn't fill in any blanks.  You just reaffirmed the point that everyone likes to make this about football.  This is a case about a serial pedophile and the people that allowed his actions to continue.  It's not about scholarships or bowl games.  It's about kids lives being destroyed and administrators with a duty to protect, failing them.     

[Jonny Utah]

I do want to say this though... I feel like to a certain extent, this is becoming an issue more related to football than should be.  Yes, if football did not exist at Penn State its arguable this may not have occurred there etc. etc.   But my biggest issue is GO AFTER THOSE INVOLVED CRIMINALLY.  If JoePa was still around, make him answer up.  They need to go after the President, the AD, anyone involved.  Yes, the DOJ is probably looking into charges but these individuals enabled the destruction of childrens lives.  They aren't getting fined $60 million.  They aren't subject to a bowl ban.  They didn't lose scholarships.  Yet, according to the report, they were all directly involved.  Make them answer up.  Take it to a grand jury and indict them. 

Also, I feel like the $60 million should be partially paid restitution to the unidentified victims in addition to a variety of charity organization.  YES, give part of the money to charity.  But make the University pay restitution to those involved, that way, no matter the amount, it shows some type of responsibility from the University.  It's easy to write a check to charity.  Its much more meaningful to write a check as an admission of guilt.

I just feel, that in the context of law, there's a lot more involved and instead of answering up in a criminal matter, they are going after the University civilly.  And because of that, it's more tangible punishment than intangible.  Guilt should be a factor and unfortanetly, I feel like Penn State will only be paying with their pocket books and on the football field than punishing those directly involved. 

I hold out hope that the DOJ does in fact do something.  And I am very glad the NCAA did the best they could probably do with the circumstances.  But the scales of Justice need to be balanced and its not going happen with dollars and wins on the football field.   

Well a lot of this is now being questioned which is a good thing. The media is now realizing the stench behind this whole thing and is starting to look at things objectively. As I posted yesterday a big chunk of this goes right at PA's current governor who somehow is getting a free pass in this thing but hopefully not much longer. PSU will be writing very big checks now as the civil lawsuits start their progression. So I am not sure where you think PSU will not be writing checks to the victims. In addition they have to pay the ncaa $60 million dollars. Have no idea how on earth you think the ncaa did as best they could under the circumstances??? Really? All the involved parties have had criminal charges brought against them, who hasn't? They also can have civil suits brought against them and their fines could be worse then $60 million as well. Not sure how much you have been following the case by asking some of these questions hopefully I filled in some blanks for you.

Sandusky is the only one with charges against them? Unless I terribly missed something... Everyone involved is liable, thats what I was saying. Any accomplice or anyone who covered this up can be charged as a co-conspirator under the definition of the law.   

And I have been following this.  The problem is that everyone loves to look at this from a football perspective and its not.  Not matter what, at the end of the day, it has very little to do with football.  The point is, that you can fine them up the a$$, take away scholarships, tv time, ANYTHING, but when it comes down to it, people with the power to prevent or stop this from happening are still walking on the same streets as you and I.  That's the point.  Going based on that, the NCAA did everything within their power to punish them based on the facts at the time.

And yes, I understand they are going to be writing checks to the victims.  But that is going to be court mandated from a civil liability suit, not an NCAA punishment.

You didn't fill in any blanks.  You just reaffirmed the point that everyone likes to make this about football.  This is a case about a serial pedophile and the people that allowed his actions to continue.  It's not about scholarships or bowl games.  It's about kids lives being destroyed and administrators with a duty to protect, failing them.   

It does have to do with football (if a cover up happened) because a coach didn't want his football reputation effected, or a coach/AD did not want to see the football program hurt by a scandal.

[Jonny Utah]

It will also be interesting to see how the general college football fan reacts to Penn State football in terms of supporting or hating the team.  I tell ya what, I'm going to be routing for them in every game they play in.

Saw O'Brien said some coaches were classy and asked if it were ok to contact certain players....O'Brien told those coaches go right ahead. He said other coaches were going directly to all the players and poaching everything they could and saying/doing things very much under the table...(Ummm hello Urban Meyer)

I thought the NCAA regulations prohibited coaches from contacting the players first in a situation like this, that the player had to initiate contact.

I think the NCAA gave these players carte blance to do whatever they want without any sort of recruiting rules restricting them or the schools recruiting them (except for the obvious no-no like cash/gift type stuff).  It was more about the players than the other schools.  It basically keeps Penn State out of the current players business.

[PBR...]

It will also be interesting to see how the general college football fan reacts to Penn State football in terms of supporting or hating the team.  I tell ya what, I'm going to be routing for them in every game they play in.

Saw O'Brien said some coaches were classy and asked if it were ok to contact certain players....O'Brien told those coaches go right ahead. He said other coaches were going directly to all the players and poaching everything they could and saying/doing things very much under the table...(Ummm hello Urban Meyer)

I thought the NCAA regulations prohibited coaches from contacting the players first in a situation like this, that the player had to initiate contact.

I think the NCAA gave these players carte blance to do whatever they want without any sort of recruiting rules restricting them or the schools recruiting them (except for the obvious no-no like cash/gift type stuff).  It was more about the players than the other schools.  It basically keeps Penn State out of the current players business.

Correct...the ncaa has made this a free for all with no restrictions. The players have posted a video about them all staying. Yet the coaches are contacting them and calling them and at their apartments bothering them all the time. Great job by the ncaa as usual...what a useless tool they truly are...Some coaches like Kirk Ferentz at Iowa called O'Brien and said they would be contacting xyz individuals. O'Brien is thankful for the heads up so he can plan on possibly losing people and who he might have to replace. Other coaches are slime and doing everything on the down low...

[PBR...]

I do want to say this though... I feel like to a certain extent, this is becoming an issue more related to football than should be.  Yes, if football did not exist at Penn State its arguable this may not have occurred there etc. etc.   But my biggest issue is GO AFTER THOSE INVOLVED CRIMINALLY.  If JoePa was still around, make him answer up.  They need to go after the President, the AD, anyone involved.  Yes, the DOJ is probably looking into charges but these individuals enabled the destruction of childrens lives.  They aren't getting fined $60 million.  They aren't subject to a bowl ban.  They didn't lose scholarships.  Yet, according to the report, they were all directly involved.  Make them answer up.  Take it to a grand jury and indict them. 

Also, I feel like the $60 million should be partially paid restitution to the unidentified victims in addition to a variety of charity organization.  YES, give part of the money to charity.  But make the University pay restitution to those involved, that way, no matter the amount, it shows some type of responsibility from the University.  It's easy to write a check to charity.  Its much more meaningful to write a check as an admission of guilt.

I just feel, that in the context of law, there's a lot more involved and instead of answering up in a criminal matter, they are going after the University civilly.  And because of that, it's more tangible punishment than intangible.  Guilt should be a factor and unfortanetly, I feel like Penn State will only be paying with their pocket books and on the football field than punishing those directly involved. 

I hold out hope that the DOJ does in fact do something.  And I am very glad the NCAA did the best they could probably do with the circumstances.  But the scales of Justice need to be balanced and its not going happen with dollars and wins on the football field.   

Well a lot of this is now being questioned which is a good thing. The media is now realizing the stench behind this whole thing and is starting to look at things objectively. As I posted yesterday a big chunk of this goes right at PA's current governor who somehow is getting a free pass in this thing but hopefully not much longer. PSU will be writing very big checks now as the civil lawsuits start their progression. So I am not sure where you think PSU will not be writing checks to the victims. In addition they have to pay the ncaa $60 million dollars. Have no idea how on earth you think the ncaa did as best they could under the circumstances??? Really? All the involved parties have had criminal charges brought against them, who hasn't? They also can have civil suits brought against them and their fines could be worse then $60 million as well. Not sure how much you have been following the case by asking some of these questions hopefully I filled in some blanks for you.

Sandusky is the only one with charges against them? Unless I terribly missed something... Everyone involved is liable, thats what I was saying. Any accomplice or anyone who covered this up can be charged as a co-conspirator under the definition of the law.   

And I have been following this.  The problem is that everyone loves to look at this from a football perspective and its not.  Not matter what, at the end of the day, it has very little to do with football.  The point is, that you can fine them up the a$$, take away scholarships, tv time, ANYTHING, but when it comes down to it, people with the power to prevent or stop this from happening are still walking on the same streets as you and I.  That's the point.  Going based on that, the NCAA did everything within their power to punish them based on the facts at the time.

And yes, I understand they are going to be writing checks to the victims.  But that is going to be court mandated from a civil liability suit, not an NCAA punishment.

You didn't fill in any blanks.  You just reaffirmed the point that everyone likes to make this about football.  This is a case about a serial pedophile and the people that allowed his actions to continue.  It's not about scholarships or bowl games.  It's about kids lives being destroyed and administrators with a duty to protect, failing them.   

Have no idea what your talking about here.... Curley and Spanier and Schultz  are all up on charges as well as Sandusky. Paterno from the beginning as told by the attorney general has done nothing to break the law. I would of figured if you were following this you would of known about these charges. It's not about football, the main question is if a cover up happened and whether any individuals knew about him preying on children. What facts is the ncaa punishing people for? They have admitted they used only Freeh's report which was as Freeh himself put it "based on educated guesses and hypothesis" as all the individuals are now protected by their lawyers and not speaking until their court dates. That leads to the point why not wait 2 weeks for their trials to start and see what facts come out of them and not base a punishment on educated guesses and hypothesis. No one is walking the streets associated with this mess and preying on young children. That individual is behind bars and the others accused of cover up/perjury are awaiting their day in court, which I believe is 1 of the foundations that this country was built on in having due process. It's a sad day when we all turn to the pitchfork and torches mentality and to hell with the facts.

[PBR...]

Since Emmert is now going after schools who hid and covered up rapes.... Many are now going to question and assume that the ncaa is going to lower to hammer on University of Washington since they covered up rape including 1 case when Emmert was PRESIDENT at university of washington... OK ncaa you can't pick and choose everyone gets the same treatment correct???

http://mynorthwest.com/category/local_news_articles/20110112/Accuser%27s-father-speaks-out-about-UW-rape-investigation/

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004177723_uwrapecase12m.html