FB: Empire 8

[fisheralum91]

Fight Fight!

The e 8 juices are flowin!

[lewdogg11]

Sorry PBR, a 'true freshman' playing in his 12th game with an undefeated team no longer gets a free pass.

[PBR...]

Sorry PBR, a 'true freshman' playing in his 12th game with an undefeated team no longer gets a free pass.

Come on LD...trying to stir the pot and have fun with the rookie!!

[boobyhasgameyo]

1st... Bombers. Fisher beat DVC with their back up quarterback (that's enough right there for me)  Francis killed Ithaca on one play last year (he was just faster than any of them) Bailey was a better throwing qb than Kramer obviously, but seeing Francis on a game to game basis he was not that good.   He had below average hands, but his speed is what hurt some teams (average receiver, unbelievable return guy).  No offense, but if I was the coach and figured Francis had good hands wouldn't he be catching punt returns for me too (might be a reason he didn't do that --HANDS).

2nd... Did you guys look at Francis' numbers in the two years.  Last year he had 53 catches for 726 yards and 9 touchdowns.  The previous year WITH BAILEY 50 catches 782 yards and 10 tds.  To me, that seems pretty similar numbers.  So that being a reason to show Francis was victimized from Kramer is not valid. He was dropping a lot of balls and did not go get some balls he had made plays on the previous year.  His numbers last year should have been that much better.


In the end, Bombers you should just worry about Ithaca trying to win some games for once.  Pat Coleman, you guys do very well with everything you do.  And it is time to let the players play and prove all of us right or wrong.

Saying something like that is lame and you sound like a child.  What do you mean for once?  A couple years of struggling means they've never won some games? 

I think you'd lose that Francis argument if you had it with a lot of the Fisher fans.  If he was an average receiver then we would be so lucky to have a core of average receivers like that this year. 

[AUKaz00]

2nd... Did you guys look at Francis' numbers in the two years.  Last year he had 53 catches for 726 yards and 9 touchdowns.  The previous year WITH BAILEY 50 catches 782 yards and 10 tds.  To me, that seems pretty similar numbers.  So that being a reason to show Francis was victimized from Kramer is not valid. He was dropping a lot of balls and did not go get some balls he had made plays on the previous year.  His numbers last year should have been that much better.

Fisher played 2 more games last year than in 2010.  That he basically matched his production with 20% more games means something.

[Bombers798891]

1st... Bombers. Fisher beat DVC with their back up quarterback (that's enough right there for me)  Francis killed Ithaca on one play last year (he was just faster than any of them) Bailey was a better throwing qb than Kramer obviously, but seeing Francis on a game to game basis he was not that good.   He had below average hands, but his speed is what hurt some teams (average receiver, unbelievable return guy).  No offense, but if I was the coach and figured Francis had good hands wouldn't he be catching punt returns for me too (might be a reason he didn't do that --HANDS).

2nd... Did you guys look at Francis' numbers in the two years.  Last year he had 53 catches for 726 yards and 9 touchdowns.  The previous year WITH BAILEY 50 catches 782 yards and 10 tds.  To me, that seems pretty similar numbers.  So that being a reason to show Francis was victimized from Kramer is not valid. He was dropping a lot of balls and did not go get some balls he had made plays on the previous year.  His numbers last year should have been that much better.


In the end, Bombers you should just worry about Ithaca trying to win some games for once.  Pat Coleman, you guys do very well with everything you do.  And it is time to let the players play and prove all of us right or wrong.

1. For once? Give me a break. We had our first losing season in over forty years last year, and you're going to start throwing "for once" around? The day Fisher's program ever reaches the heights that Ithaca's has, I'll wear a Cardinals' jersey to Butterfield every week of the season. Fisher may have only been relevant since 2002, but for some of us, football existed before then. I've given plenty of praise to Fisher's program over the years, especially when it comes to playing Ithaca, but don't go dropping phrases like "win some games for once" around the Ithaca program, because I'm pretty sure that's a road you don't want to go down.

2. Moving on to Ryan Francis, didn't he put up 5-89-2 on Ithaca in 2010? I'm pretty sure he's done more than kill the Bombers on "one play". As far as punt returns go, you guys had a pretty good one in Adam Burdick. I wouldn't say that it was a lack of hands necessarily keeping Francis out of  the PR job.

3. As far as Fisher being ranked behind DVC, meh, honestly, it's a distinction without a difference when you're talking 24 points.

[Upstate]

FF99, Fisher attempted around 100 fewer attempts this year with Kramer/Hassanian than 2010 with Bailey.

He matched his production from 2010 with far fewer opportunities.

Francis is one of the best deep threats in Fisher history.  To say he was average is not even close to being accurate.

[Bombers798891]

2nd... Did you guys look at Francis' numbers in the two years.  Last year he had 53 catches for 726 yards and 9 touchdowns.  The previous year WITH BAILEY 50 catches 782 yards and 10 tds.  To me, that seems pretty similar numbers.  So that being a reason to show Francis was victimized from Kramer is not valid. He was dropping a lot of balls and did not go get some balls he had made plays on the previous year.  His numbers last year should have been that much better.

Fisher played 2 more games last year than in 2010.  That he basically matched his production with 20% more games means something.

And actually, Francis only played in 10 games in 2010. So if you look at his per game averages, he went from 78.2 yards receiving per game with Bailey to 55.8 with Kramer. That's quite a significant drop.

[fisherfanatic99]

I think you'd lose that Francis argument if you had it with a lot of the Fisher fans.  If he was an average receiver then we would be so lucky to have a core of average receivers like that this year.
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He was fast, speed 99% of d3 football players he was playing against did not have. I feel you are thinking I am calling him a bad football player.  He was the definition of an athlete playing football.  Kid made plays, but half of being a receiver is when you do not have the ball.  If running straight and outrunning kids were all you needed to be a receiver he would've been considered the best in the D3.  If Francis was an above average receiver why would the coaches in the Empire 8 (who choose all conference I believe) pick Francis as an honorable mention receiver?  I'd want him on my team, but more as a return specialist than a receiver.
This year's receiving core will be young and inexperienced.  From what I am hearing, and what I saw in the two spring practices I attended, they all have solid hands, run good routes, and CAN block.  Francis will be missed in the return game, but I don't think he is as much of a loss for the offense as Fisher seems to slowly be going back to their heavy running ways when they had Robinson and Reile (the offense Rob Kramer quarterbacked in)     

[fisherfanatic99]

And I apologize for my comment about Ithaca that was out of line.  I want Ithaca to be good again, just lately it is hard to talk about them when they are just plain out bad. 

For the comment about he had less chances because Fisher threw less this past year is a wash because Fisher ran a lot of two and three receiver sets where it was only Francis or Schmidt running routes (much why they were the only two the qbs would pass to).  It's hard to say he is above average because I watched every game last year and witnessed one to two drops a game from him, but I would never say he was a bad receiver.

[Bombers798891]

If Francis was an above average receiver why would the coaches in the Empire 8 (who choose all conference I believe) pick Francis as an honorable mention receiver?

I'm pretty sure being named one of the six best WR's in the conference would make him, by definition, above-average.

[fisherfanatic99]

If Francis was an above average receiver why would the coaches in the Empire 8 (who choose all conference I believe) pick Francis as an honorable mention receiver?

I'm pretty sure being named one of the six best WR's in the conference would make him, by definition, above-average.

I guess we have different definitions of above average.  Would you consider Benkwitt to be considered above average? I would not.  When I think of above average I think of guys who come in and people say "wow" .  In special teams I say "wow" when talking about Francis, receiving I do not.  I do not put him in the same category as the Noah Farenbachs, Tim Marions, and Jimmy Smiths (above average receivers in the past 10 yrs at Fisher)

[Bombers798891]

If Francis was an above average receiver why would the coaches in the Empire 8 (who choose all conference I believe) pick Francis as an honorable mention receiver?

I'm pretty sure being named one of the six best WR's in the conference would make him, by definition, above-average.

I guess we have different definitions of above average.  Would you consider Benkwitt to be considered above average? I would not.  When I think of above average I think of guys who come in and people say "wow" .  In special teams I say "wow" when talking about Francis, receiving I do not.  I do not put him in the same category as the Noah Farenbachs, Tim Marions, and Jimmy Smiths (above average receivers in the past 10 yrs at Fisher)

I think of wow guys as "Great" not merely above-average. So yes, we probably have different views

[fisherfanatic99]

I think of wow guys as "Great" not merely above-average. So yes, we probably have different views
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I can agree to that Francis was good but not great. 

[lewdogg11]

I think of wow guys as "Great" not merely above-average. So yes, we probably have different views

I can agree to that Francis was good but not great.

Why are people so awful at using the 'quote' button?