FB: Empire 8

[SaintsFAN]

It is heartbreaking to have a situation like that, but for a dad to lose his marbles like that is crazy....
Honeslty- what was he going to accomplish?
I do feel bad for the kid tho

Agreed.  I'm not sure of how it happened etc and I've never been in that situation with a child of mine, so I can't speak to how I'd react.  Some people are really emotional though. 

[AlfredSaxon8]

It is heartbreaking to have a situation like that, but for a dad to lose his marbles like that is crazy....
Honeslty- what was he going to accomplish?
I do feel bad for the kid tho

Definitely agree there.  The playing field is a different animal.  Its an unfortunate situation but it's gotta be left on the field. 

Feel terrible for the kid.  I understand emotions run high during games so unless this SJF kid is a real piece of work, I'm sure he feels terrible too. 

[fisheralum91]

Its really odd,
None of this was mentioned on air at all.
As a matter of fact- didnt another player for TMC go off on the cart as well?

[SJFF82]

Its really odd,
None of this was mentioned on air at all.
As a matter of fact- didnt another player for TMC go off on the cart as well?

well, yeah, I am pretty sure when I was listening to last secs of first half, is when the kid broke the leg.  I remember hearing radio guys talk about air cast going on, etc.  I dont think that was the play where the QB got demolished after the int and there was a flag on that play.  I think that happened early 3rd quarter which may have further triggered the father's rage???  I am also pretty sure the radio guys woulda had no idea of the father's antics down near the sideline, but did they not say anything about a possible cheap shot that resulted in the injury?  I dont remember hearing that?  What I do know though, is I witnessed the Dad, and there is no way he went bonkers like I saw unless he at least PERCEIVED a cheap shot....this guy was 1/2 sec from punching anything that moved as I was literraly a step from him when he started approaching sec guards and shouting that he wanted the Fisher player's name...

[fisheralum91]

82,
I listened to Gene and Peters broadcast from start to finish.
They did mention the aircast and the ambulance etc, but you are right they would have no way to know about the players dad.
As for any cheap shot- the only one that was mentioned was Benderski, and Peter was pretty critical of him.

[sjfcards]

82,
I listened to Gene and Peters broadcast from start to finish.
They did mention the aircast and the ambulance etc, but you are right they would have no way to know about the players dad.
As for any cheap shot- the only one that was mentioned was Benderski, and Peter was pretty critical of him.

As he should have been. I understand football players hit late, and emotions run high, but there was no need for that one. The pick was well down field, and the QB wasn't going to make the play. Forget the loss of field position in a game that no one could move the ball, but more importantly, there is a right way to play. Luckily it didn't end up in an injury.

[dlippiel]

The kid who broke his leg on that play was playing in his first game back after having his season ended in week 5 in 2011 due to injury.  Thats probably was the father was so upset.. he worked pretty hard to get back into the lineup.  Not sure what the rules are, but this is his 10th semester of eligibility... so I doubt he can play in 2013.

Dlip feels bad for the kid Saintsfan and wishes the kid the best in everything he does. This is sych a tough game and many times so unfair to the imdividual player who does everything right. Really sad.

[AlfredSaxon8]

82,
I listened to Gene and Peters broadcast from start to finish.
They did mention the aircast and the ambulance etc, but you are right they would have no way to know about the players dad.
As for any cheap shot- the only one that was mentioned was Benderski, and Peter was pretty critical of him.

As he should have been. I understand football players hit late, and emotions run high, but there was no need for that one. The pick was well down field, and the QB wasn't going to make the play. Forget the loss of field position in a game that no one could move the ball, but more importantly, there is a right way to play. Luckily it didn't end up in an injury.

We were playing a scrimmage against Hobart in 05 and I thew a pass, the receiver caught it ran about 15-20 yards to the 2 yard line, then fumbled.  The Hobart player bent down to pick it up and that's all I saw.  I got smoked, 40+ yards from the play.  No flag, just a really bad headache. 

INT's, fumbles, any turnover on offense suck. Not just because you threw a pick or turned the ball over, but because as you are watching what is happening downfield, 30 yards away from the play, the 285lb lineman that just got worked over decides to earhole you.

When I originally saw this post, I didn't realize the circumstances of the hit and it seemed rational.  I said I understood emotions get high.  But the way you guys are describing it, it really was a cheap shot and it kind of irks me. There's no excuse for it.  There's a huge difference between playing to the whistle and taking a cheap shot.  There's no need for it in today's game, there's enough injuries amongst players that were actually involved in the play.

Maybe next time he can take out the punter after a fair catch.     

[AUKaz00]

Is it possible that both injuries were caused by the same player?  They both happened while TMC was on offense (I believe), so could the dad just have blown his top because the player who injured his son also caused a second injury?

[fisheralum91]

Wasnt the same player nor situation.
I think that got lost in the translation.
The "dirty"play did not result in an injury.

[Bombers798891]

82,
I listened to Gene and Peters broadcast from start to finish.
They did mention the aircast and the ambulance etc, but you are right they would have no way to know about the players dad.
As for any cheap shot- the only one that was mentioned was Benderski, and Peter was pretty critical of him.

As he should have been. I understand football players hit late, and emotions run high, but there was no need for that one. The pick was well down field, and the QB wasn't going to make the play. Forget the loss of field position in a game that no one could move the ball, but more importantly, there is a right way to play. Luckily it didn't end up in an injury.

We were playing a scrimmage against Hobart in 05 and I thew a pass, the receiver caught it ran about 15-20 yards to the 2 yard line, then fumbled.  The Hobart player bent down to pick it up and that's all I saw.  I got smoked, 40+ yards from the play.  No flag, just a really bad headache. 

INT's, fumbles, any turnover on offense suck. Not just because you threw a pick or turned the ball over, but because as you are watching what is happening downfield, 30 yards away from the play, the 285lb lineman that just got worked over decides to earhole you.

When I originally saw this post, I didn't realize the circumstances of the hit and it seemed rational.  I said I understood emotions get high.  But the way you guys are describing it, it really was a cheap shot and it kind of irks me. There's no excuse for it.  There's a huge difference between playing to the whistle and taking a cheap shot.  There's no need for it in today's game, there's enough injuries amongst players that were actually involved in the play.

Maybe next time he can take out the punter after a fair catch.     

I agree. I think the mentality is that this is kind of a free shot at a quarterback who's probably not paying attention to you so you might as well go for the gusto.

Frankly, these kinds of hits need to have a much stiffer penalty. Really, what's 15 yards on an INT return? Unless it calls back a TD, that's like thinking you've seen a $20 bill on the sidewalk and it turns out being a $10 bill instead. Sure, it's not as good as you thought, but it's still money you didn't have before. And if you can knock out the most critical player on the other team while doing it, why not? Are guys intentionally trying to hurt people? Maybe not. But when you deliver a certain type of illegal hit like that, can you be shocked when it happens?

I'd like to see any personal foul penalty—or at least the late hit/blow to the head/railing a return man kind—result in the defensive player needing to sit out a certain number of series. Yes, the game will always be physical, and there will always be injuries, even on legal hits (or no contact), but we simply need to get certain types of hits out of the game. It will never be a perfectly safe game, but we can make it safer.

[Upstate]

Maybe next time he can take out the punter after a fair catch.     

Reminds me of my days at Alfred St. we were scouting Mo'ville back when they were a JUCO and every flipping kick return they had one of their up men run about 10 yards towards the ball, circle back, line up the kicker and just ear hole him at least once a game. Don't know if the Mo'ville coaches were behind it or it was just this player

Our coaches told the kicker on gameday to run towards our sidelines and listen for them. As soon as the "ear holer" was en route to light up our kicker the coaches would yell and the kicker was told to chop the guy. Opening kick off sure enough the Mo'ville player started circling the kicker, coaches yelled at the kicker and then all you saw was the Mo'ville players feet in the air. The Mo'ville training staff had to help the dumbass off the field and our kicker was smiling ear to ear. 

[SJFF82]

Is it possible that both injuries were caused by the same player?  They both happened while TMC was on offense (I believe), so could the dad just have blown his top because the player who injured his son also caused a second injury?

yea, that was kinda my point about the dad going over the top, because, his son's injury happened at close of first half but he didnt charge over to Fisher sideline until few minutes into third when I got there and I think just after the dirty play by Benderski that was being described here....which I did hear Gene and especially Pete go ape **** about.  It seems clear that QB was no where in the mix when he got flamboozled by Benderski.  Otherwise, if the Benderski play happened prior to the kid's leg getting broken, maybe the Dad didnt make his 'move' until 3rd because he had perhaps just come from training room at half and now knew extent of his son's injuries and was starting to really boil over....

I do seem to recall hearing something on the radio prior to getting to game while that play was happening at close of first half that suggested to me that the hit that cause the broken leg was questionable?  Was he even the ball carrier when he broke his leg?  I am going to talk to Pete Montemurno when I get a chance and see what he recalls and I will post if I get more insight...

[Pat Coleman]

The kid who broke his leg on that play was playing in his first game back after having his season ended in week 5 in 2011 due to injury.  Thats probably was the father was so upset.. he worked pretty hard to get back into the lineup.  Not sure what the rules are, but this is his 10th semester of eligibility... so I doubt he can play in 2013.

If he doesn't return, he can get this semester of eligibility back. Might have to drop to part-time class load, however, if this is his 10th FT semester.

[SJFF82]

82,
I listened to Gene and Peters broadcast from start to finish.
They did mention the aircast and the ambulance etc, but you are right they would have no way to know about the players dad.
As for any cheap shot- the only one that was mentioned was Benderski, and Peter was pretty critical of him.

As he should have been. I understand football players hit late, and emotions run high, but there was no need for that one. The pick was well down field, and the QB wasn't going to make the play. Forget the loss of field position in a game that no one could move the ball, but more importantly, there is a right way to play. Luckily it didn't end up in an injury.

We were playing a scrimmage against Hobart in 05 and I thew a pass, the receiver caught it ran about 15-20 yards to the 2 yard line, then fumbled.  The Hobart player bent down to pick it up and that's all I saw.  I got smoked, 40+ yards from the play.  No flag, just a really bad headache. 

INT's, fumbles, any turnover on offense suck. Not just because you threw a pick or turned the ball over, but because as you are watching what is happening downfield, 30 yards away from the play, the 285lb lineman that just got worked over decides to earhole you.

When I originally saw this post, I didn't realize the circumstances of the hit and it seemed rational.  I said I understood emotions get high.  But the way you guys are describing it, it really was a cheap shot and it kind of irks me. There's no excuse for it.  There's a huge difference between playing to the whistle and taking a cheap shot.  There's no need for it in today's game, there's enough injuries amongst players that were actually involved in the play.

Maybe next time he can take out the punter after a fair catch.     

I agree. I think the mentality is that this is kind of a free shot at a quarterback who's probably not paying attention to you so you might as well go for the gusto.

Frankly, these kinds of hits need to have a much stiffer penalty. Really, what's 15 yards on an INT return? Unless it calls back a TD, that's like thinking you've seen a $20 bill on the sidewalk and it turns out being a $10 bill instead. Sure, it's not as good as you thought, but it's still money you didn't have before. And if you can knock out the most critical player on the other team while doing it, why not? Are guys intentionally trying to hurt people? Maybe not. But when you deliver a certain type of illegal hit like that, can you be shocked when it happens?

I'd like to see any personal foul penalty—or at least the late hit/blow to the head/railing a return man kind—result in the defensive player needing to sit out a certain number of series. Yes, the game will always be physical, and there will always be injuries, even on legal hits (or no contact), but we simply need to get certain types of hits out of the game. It will never be a perfectly safe game, but we can make it safer.

honestly, just playin devil's advocate here for a minute...its not like this never happens to a qb/k on these sort of plays....kick-offs and interceptions, so why isnt there a little more emphasis on those 2 players actually keeping their eyes open for these technically legal hits?  While I agree its plain that the 40 yard down the field hits are mostly cheap and unnecessary, would you agree that once and a while a player actually hustles from 'out-of nowhere' to make a play so that what if the unchecked qb does so...or what if the defensive back actually beats the other 10 players and the qb who did not get ear-holed by the opportunistic DLman is left to make a TD saving tackle....?  I say the rule should be that the DLman should wear a whistle that he is required to blow 3secs before he is about to light up the QB on interceptions.  That is fair warning for the train wreck that qb is about to encounter to add insult to his injury/poor pass....