FB: Empire 8

[sjfcards]

BTW, if a dlineman on such a play is 40 yds down field from int along side the qb, at what point does the dlineman have your blessing to take out the qb?

As soon as he won't get a flag and cost his team 15 yards.

[Bengalsrule]

Having actually been in attendance at Sat BENGALS vs. CSU ( and then, immediatly afterwards, heading north to canada for a long weekend of R & R, sans laptop) I can tell you that it warms the BENGAL faithful to see the many well wishers on these E8 boards today.

   I can also tell you that the only "fluke " in Saturdays game was CSU's Humphrey's 78 yarder in the 2nd half. The kids entire forearm hit the ground (unlike the Clemson player vs. Auburn who rolled over his defender and popped back up). Humphrey should have been down right there. Something tells me Coach Boyes is gonna have some "Wrap up " drills that are out of this world week. CSU should have never reached the endzone in the 2nd half ...period!!

  I can also tell you that no 1 at Buff State is thinking about WW. Once the season starts, in any sport, the BENGALS focus on the next opponent! Pre-season allows 1 to fantasize about the entire schedule ( see last 10 pages of blogs in E8 prior to 9/1) but this week arch Rival, Brockport, is the only thought on the BENGALS mind as the annual "I-90 Bowl" takes place at Brockport. The Golden Eagles,  last sat., won 24-2 and their q.b. was named NJAC player of the week. Looks like BENGALS  paws will be full this week! Heck I gotta believe that no 1 at Brockport is thinking about the College of NJ (week 3 opponent) either!

lastly I can also tell you that today...

   The BENGALS Ryan Carney, 12 catches - 242 yards - 2 touchdowns, was named to the  D3FOOTBALL.COM NATIONAL TEAM OF THE WEEK!!!!! What most folks don't know is that this kid is a Buffalo State BASKETBALL recruit (last 2 years of hoops at Jamestown C.C.) , who just happens to play football. He hadn't played in a football game since his  senior year at Olean H.S. 2009! Heck SJF could see him Nov 3rd in football and Nov 10th in basketball (scrimmage at SJF).

1-0 start for all of E8. Congrats and good luck vs. "this weeks" opponents!

I think I'm going to head out to Brockport since it's a 5 minute trip for me to check out Buff St and their new high powered O!

1pm start?

1 p.m. start is correct Upstate. Bob Boozer field at the Eunice Shriver Stadium. Seats 10,000 so finding a seat shouldn't be a problem. I may make the drive myself!

[Bengalsrule]

Curious as to what people thought of the Oklahoma State-Savannah State game. I know the concept of a money game makes these things some what necessary, but 84-0? I think that's a little embarrassing for all parties involved. The athletic department gets its money, but who else benefits?

If you think that 1 was bad wait till this week when Savannah State plays at Florida State. Could be worse!! I doubt you will see another invite from either school to Savannah State next year!

A quote from the OSU website about the Savannah State game ...." Savannah State (0-1) got a $385,000 payout for its first game againest an FBS opponent, and coach Steve Davenport wasn't sure afterwards if even that made it worthwhile." " We're going to readdress that. You get paid for certain things, but I don't know if at the end of the day, some things are worth the payments you get. But we'll see. Those are conversations we'll have."

The starters  for OSU played less than a quarter and with a visit to Arizona next week, it may come back to haunt them. Not to mention head Coach Mike Gundy's comments later, in the same article, when confronted about putting a team like Savannah State on their schedule.

" Gundy said earlier in the week that he wants to ""play the 3 easiest teams we can play and then play our conference.""

Hmmm might be worthwhile to see the point spread for thier game vs the Wildcats. I doubt it will take much more to encourage them, Arizona,  to bring their "A" game, especially after squeaking by MAC rep - Toledo in overtime!

[Bombers798891]

Curious as to what people thought of the Oklahoma State-Savannah State game. I know the concept of a money game makes these things some what necessary, but 84-0? I think that's a little embarrassing for all parties involved. The athletic department gets its money, but who else benefits?

If you think that 1 was bad wait till this week when Savannah State plays at Florida State. Could be worse!! I doubt you will see another invite from either school to Savannah State next year!

A quote from the OSU website about the Savannah State game ...." Savannah State (0-1) got a $385,000 payout for its first game againest an FBS opponent, and coach Steve Davenport wasn't sure afterwards if even that made it worthwhile." " We're going to readdress that. You get paid for certain things, but I don't know if at the end of the day, some things are worth the payments you get. But we'll see. Those are conversations we'll have."

The starters  for OSU played less than a quarter and with a visit to Arizona next week, it may come back to haunt them. Not to mention head Coach Mike Gundy's comments later, in the same article, when confronted about putting a team like Savannah State on their schedule.

" Gundy said earlier in the week that he wants to ""play the 3 easiest teams we can play and then play our conference.""

Hmmm might be worthwhile to see the point spread for thier game vs the Wildcats. I doubt it will take much more to encourage them, Arizona,  to bring their "A" game, especially after squeaking by MAC rep - Toledo in overtime!

I understand Savannah was motivated more by the financial bottom line than anything else, but to me, there has to be a balance between earning money for a department and throwing your football team under the bus. It's a curious paradox for these football teams. On the one hand, they're important in that they are needed to raise money that's sorely needed in athletic departments, but on the other, the attitude seems to be, "We've got our check and what happens to you on the field isn't really the issue. Enjoy your beating."

Honestly, there's only so much an opposing coach to limit the carnage. A game like that could have been 150-0 had Gundy not played everyone but T. Boone Pickens.

You're right, the Florida State game may be similarly bad. The Seminoles already won 69-3 last week.

I feel for the Savannah coaches and players.

[Bengalsrule]

Curious as to what people thought of the Oklahoma State-Savannah State game. I know the concept of a money game makes these things some what necessary, but 84-0? I think that's a little embarrassing for all parties involved. The athletic department gets its money, but who else benefits?

If you think that 1 was bad wait till this week when Savannah State plays at Florida State. Could be worse!! I doubt you will see another invite from either school to Savannah State next year!

A quote from the OSU website about the Savannah State game ...." Savannah State (0-1) got a $385,000 payout for its first game againest an FBS opponent, and coach Steve Davenport wasn't sure afterwards if even that made it worthwhile." " We're going to readdress that. You get paid for certain things, but I don't know if at the end of the day, some things are worth the payments you get. But we'll see. Those are conversations we'll have."

The starters  for OSU played less than a quarter and with a visit to Arizona next week, it may come back to haunt them. Not to mention head Coach Mike Gundy's comments later, in the same article, when confronted about putting a team like Savannah State on their schedule.

" Gundy said earlier in the week that he wants to ""play the 3 easiest teams we can play and then play our conference.""

Hmmm might be worthwhile to see the point spread for thier game vs the Wildcats. I doubt it will take much more to encourage them, Arizona,  to bring their "A" game, especially after squeaking by MAC rep - Toledo in overtime!

I understand Savannah was motivated more by the financial bottom line than anything else, but to me, there has to be a balance between earning money for a department and throwing your football team under the bus. It's a curious paradox for these football teams. On the one hand, they're important in that they are needed to raise money that's sorely needed in athletic departments, but on the other, the attitude seems to be, "We've got our check and what happens to you on the field isn't really the issue. Enjoy your beating."

Honestly, there's only so much an opposing coach to limit the carnage. A game like that could have been 150-0 had Gundy not played everyone but T. Boone Pickens.

You're right, the Florida State game may be similarly bad. The Seminoles already won 69-3 last week.

I feel for the Savannah coaches and players.

Ditto! This weeks practice probably feels like a dress rehearsal for a funeral!!!

[AlfredSaxon8]

82,
I listened to Gene and Peters broadcast from start to finish.
They did mention the aircast and the ambulance etc, but you are right they would have no way to know about the players dad.
As for any cheap shot- the only one that was mentioned was Benderski, and Peter was pretty critical of him.

As he should have been. I understand football players hit late, and emotions run high, but there was no need for that one. The pick was well down field, and the QB wasn't going to make the play. Forget the loss of field position in a game that no one could move the ball, but more importantly, there is a right way to play. Luckily it didn't end up in an injury.

We were playing a scrimmage against Hobart in 05 and I thew a pass, the receiver caught it ran about 15-20 yards to the 2 yard line, then fumbled.  The Hobart player bent down to pick it up and that's all I saw.  I got smoked, 40+ yards from the play.  No flag, just a really bad headache. 

INT's, fumbles, any turnover on offense suck. Not just because you threw a pick or turned the ball over, but because as you are watching what is happening downfield, 30 yards away from the play, the 285lb lineman that just got worked over decides to earhole you.

When I originally saw this post, I didn't realize the circumstances of the hit and it seemed rational.  I said I understood emotions get high.  But the way you guys are describing it, it really was a cheap shot and it kind of irks me. There's no excuse for it.  There's a huge difference between playing to the whistle and taking a cheap shot.  There's no need for it in today's game, there's enough injuries amongst players that were actually involved in the play.

Maybe next time he can take out the punter after a fair catch.     

I agree. I think the mentality is that this is kind of a free shot at a quarterback who's probably not paying attention to you so you might as well go for the gusto.

Frankly, these kinds of hits need to have a much stiffer penalty. Really, what's 15 yards on an INT return? Unless it calls back a TD, that's like thinking you've seen a $20 bill on the sidewalk and it turns out being a $10 bill instead. Sure, it's not as good as you thought, but it's still money you didn't have before. And if you can knock out the most critical player on the other team while doing it, why not? Are guys intentionally trying to hurt people? Maybe not. But when you deliver a certain type of illegal hit like that, can you be shocked when it happens?

I'd like to see any personal foul penalty—or at least the late hit/blow to the head/railing a return man kind—result in the defensive player needing to sit out a certain number of series. Yes, the game will always be physical, and there will always be injuries, even on legal hits (or no contact), but we simply need to get certain types of hits out of the game. It will never be a perfectly safe game, but we can make it safer.

honestly, just playin devil's advocate here for a minute...its not like this never happens to a qb/k on these sort of plays....kick-offs and interceptions, so why isnt there a little more emphasis on those 2 players actually keeping their eyes open for these technically legal hits?  While I agree its plain that the 40 yard down the field hits are mostly cheap and unnecessary, would you agree that once and a while a player actually hustles from 'out-of nowhere' to make a play so that what if the unchecked qb does so...or what if the defensive back actually beats the other 10 players and the qb who did not get ear-holed by the opportunistic DLman is left to make a TD saving tackle....?  I say the rule should be that the DLman should wear a whistle that he is required to blow 3secs before he is about to light up the QB on interceptions.  That is fair warning for the train wreck that qb is about to encounter to add insult to his injury/poor pass....

Everyone loves to say "its football". It's part of the game.  If the most unrealistic, bizarre, divine scenario happens, than that player that just got annihilated could be a part of the play. Come on.  He's not.  He won't be.  Football is a game with a purpose.  There's no purpose in sideswiping a QB, Kicker, or Punter that's barely involved.

Why don't we start chop blocking cheerleaders? How about fans or coaches? Because at that point, 40 yards down the field, a QB, Punter, or Kicker is just the same as any one of those people.  And that's not just limited to QB's, Punters, or Kickers.  Its just that D-Lineman love to prey on something half the size of them.  They aren't taking cheap shots on 6'4 285lb O-Lineman, its the QB they go after.   

really...chop-blocking cheerleaders?  Is that the same as legally de-cleating a guy wearing the number 7 on his jersey and who is wearing a helmet and who just through an errant pass and could still effect the outcome of a play?  I said I was playing devil's advocate, but cmon?  BTW, if a dlineman on such a play is 40 yds down field from int along side the qb, at what point does the dlineman have your blessing to take out the qb?  Does he have to run along side him and ask his permission?  To make it fair to DLman, does QB have to give advance warning that he might take off sprinting back into the play so that the DLman doesnt give up his opportunity to take him out?

You're comparing apples and oranges, that's my point.  And you're mixing up two major parts of the discussion.  1) A player, no matter who he is, is not involved in the play if he is 40 yards from the ball.  2) At any time, if a player, QB or not, is directly involved in a play, he is fair game. That's what I am saying.  You're taking my points and exaggerating them into "what if" situations.  If he takes off sprinting down field to be involved, absolutely, light him up.  But we are talking about a completely different set of circumstances.  A player, merely watching the play after a turnover, should not be fair game.

A QB might be on the playing field but if he is 40 yards from the ball, he's not involved in the play.  That's my point.  The cheerleader comment was a joke but the point was that unless that DB breaks 9 tackles or just happens to have a halo around his head, the QB isn't going to be involved or forced to make a touchdown saving tackle.  So, the cheerleader on the sidelines has just as much of a chance to make a tackle.  That's what I jokingly referenced.

Senior year in high school my fullback broke a 80 yard run for the touchdown.  He was at the 20 yard line, no one really around him, and my RB decided to earhole a DB 15 yards from the ball.  He was called for a penalty and the touchdown was called back.  THOSE are the type of plays we are referencing. That is a cheap shot.     

*Note* Under any circumstances, if Steven A. Smith or Erin Andrews are on the sidelines, feel free to chopblock them.  They are bad for football.  Leave the commentary to people who actually know what is going on and care about the game.   

[MrCardinal]

Its really odd,
None of this was mentioned on air at all.
As a matter of fact- didnt another player for TMC go off on the cart as well?

well, yeah, I am pretty sure when I was listening to last secs of first half, is when the kid broke the leg.  I remember hearing radio guys talk about air cast going on, etc.  I dont think that was the play where the QB got demolished after the int and there was a flag on that play.  I think that happened early 3rd quarter which may have further triggered the father's rage???  I am also pretty sure the radio guys woulda had no idea of the father's antics down near the sideline, but did they not say anything about a possible cheap shot that resulted in the injury?  I dont remember hearing that?  What I do know though, is I witnessed the Dad, and there is no way he went bonkers like I saw unless he at least PERCEIVED a cheap shot....this guy was 1/2 sec from punching anything that moved as I was literraly a step from him when he started approaching sec guards and shouting that he wanted the Fisher player's name...

Hi Guys!

Long time reader, first time poster so please be kind.

I hopefully can provide some insight into this upset parent stuff as I was at the game and sitting right near him when security got involved and pulled him away from others. 

He was wearing a Thomas More Football shirt with the number 77 on it so I'm going to assume that this was his father.  I couldn't make out what he was screaming but he was mad.  His son (I assume) was the second player carted off the field.  This happened on that interception play.  I did not see exactly who hit him but it was near where Sant ended up as he was on the sideline being treated and no flag was thrown so I'm going to assume it was a good block and the kid just landed funny on his shoulder/ upper arm as that is what the training staff was holding as he went off the field.  The penalty on Benderski came about 20 yards downfield where he took a good shot on the QB after he was getting up from a first shot by one of the other DL.  He deserved the penalty and never was inserted back in the game after this play that I can recall.  I do have to say though that the intensity of the team, especially the defense really picked up from this play on for the rest of the game.

The first player carted off was a WR/TE (#83 i think) right before half time with what looked like a broken leg.  It happened on a play where the QB was scrambling and he came back to try and set a block on the pursuing defender.  I don't know if he got stepped on or rolled up on but I don't think there was anything close to a cheap shot involved on this play.

Hopefully this helps clarify what happened a little bit.


Looking forward to chatting with you guys as the season goes on!


Go Cardinals!

[fisheralum91]

Welcome Mr. Cardinal.
Thanks for the insight.
Here is to a great Fisher season!

[sjfcards]

Welcome to the board MrCardinal. Always nice to have another poster on the board, and I am assuming from the name that you are a Fisher fan as well. Love having another one of those around.

[fisheralum91]

Its really odd,
None of this was mentioned on air at all.
As a matter of fact- didnt another player for TMC go off on the cart as well?

well, yeah, I am pretty sure when I was listening to last secs of first half, is when the kid broke the leg.  I remember hearing radio guys talk about air cast going on, etc.  I dont think that was the play where the QB got demolished after the int and there was a flag on that play.  I think that happened early 3rd quarter which may have further triggered the father's rage???  I am also pretty sure the radio guys woulda had no idea of the father's antics down near the sideline, but did they not say anything about a possible cheap shot that resulted in the injury?  I dont remember hearing that?  What I do know though, is I witnessed the Dad, and there is no way he went bonkers like I saw unless he at least PERCEIVED a cheap shot....this guy was 1/2 sec from punching anything that moved as I was literraly a step from him when he started approaching sec guards and shouting that he wanted the Fisher player's name...

Hi Guys!

Long time reader, first time poster so please be kind.

I hopefully can provide some insight into this upset parent stuff as I was at the game and sitting right near him when security got involved and pulled him away from others. 

He was wearing a Thomas More Football shirt with the number 77 on it so I'm going to assume that this was his father.  I couldn't make out what he was screaming but he was mad.  His son (I assume) was the second player carted off the field.  This happened on that interception play.  I did not see exactly who hit him but it was near where Sant ended up as he was on the sideline being treated and no flag was thrown so I'm going to assume it was a good block and the kid just landed funny on his shoulder/ upper arm as that is what the training staff was holding as he went off the field.  The penalty on Benderski came about 20 yards downfield where he took a good shot on the QB after he was getting up from a first shot by one of the other DL.  He deserved the penalty and never was inserted back in the game after this play that I can recall.  I do have to say though that the intensity of the team, especially the defense really picked up from this play on for the rest of the game.

The first player carted off was a WR/TE (#83 i think) right before half time with what looked like a broken leg.  It happened on a play where the QB was scrambling and he came back to try and set a block on the pursuing defender.  I don't know if he got stepped on or rolled up on but I don't think there was anything close to a cheap shot involved on this play.

Hopefully this helps clarify what happened a little bit.


Looking forward to chatting with you guys as the season goes on!


Go Cardinals!

Cards-What was the dead give away that he was a Fisher fan?

Cmon--I had to do it!!!!

[sjfcards]

Its really odd,
None of this was mentioned on air at all.
As a matter of fact- didnt another player for TMC go off on the cart as well?

well, yeah, I am pretty sure when I was listening to last secs of first half, is when the kid broke the leg.  I remember hearing radio guys talk about air cast going on, etc.  I dont think that was the play where the QB got demolished after the int and there was a flag on that play.  I think that happened early 3rd quarter which may have further triggered the father's rage???  I am also pretty sure the radio guys woulda had no idea of the father's antics down near the sideline, but did they not say anything about a possible cheap shot that resulted in the injury?  I dont remember hearing that?  What I do know though, is I witnessed the Dad, and there is no way he went bonkers like I saw unless he at least PERCEIVED a cheap shot....this guy was 1/2 sec from punching anything that moved as I was literraly a step from him when he started approaching sec guards and shouting that he wanted the Fisher player's name...

Hi Guys!

Long time reader, first time poster so please be kind.

I hopefully can provide some insight into this upset parent stuff as I was at the game and sitting right near him when security got involved and pulled him away from others. 

He was wearing a Thomas More Football shirt with the number 77 on it so I'm going to assume that this was his father.  I couldn't make out what he was screaming but he was mad.  His son (I assume) was the second player carted off the field.  This happened on that interception play.  I did not see exactly who hit him but it was near where Sant ended up as he was on the sideline being treated and no flag was thrown so I'm going to assume it was a good block and the kid just landed funny on his shoulder/ upper arm as that is what the training staff was holding as he went off the field.  The penalty on Benderski came about 20 yards downfield where he took a good shot on the QB after he was getting up from a first shot by one of the other DL.  He deserved the penalty and never was inserted back in the game after this play that I can recall.  I do have to say though that the intensity of the team, especially the defense really picked up from this play on for the rest of the game.

The first player carted off was a WR/TE (#83 i think) right before half time with what looked like a broken leg.  It happened on a play where the QB was scrambling and he came back to try and set a block on the pursuing defender.  I don't know if he got stepped on or rolled up on but I don't think there was anything close to a cheap shot involved on this play.

Hopefully this helps clarify what happened a little bit.


Looking forward to chatting with you guys as the season goes on!


Go Cardinals!

Cards-What was the dead give away that he was a Fisher fan?

Cmon--I had to do it!!!!

I really have to start reading posts all the way to the end...

[fisheralum91]

+k Cards....
It was a sitting duck....
Had to do it!

[sjfcards]

+k Cards....
It was a sitting duck....
Had to do it!

I get it...+k back at ya!

[MrCardinal]

Its really odd,
None of this was mentioned on air at all.
As a matter of fact- didnt another player for TMC go off on the cart as well?

well, yeah, I am pretty sure when I was listening to last secs of first half, is when the kid broke the leg.  I remember hearing radio guys talk about air cast going on, etc.  I dont think that was the play where the QB got demolished after the int and there was a flag on that play.  I think that happened early 3rd quarter which may have further triggered the father's rage???  I am also pretty sure the radio guys woulda had no idea of the father's antics down near the sideline, but did they not say anything about a possible cheap shot that resulted in the injury?  I dont remember hearing that?  What I do know though, is I witnessed the Dad, and there is no way he went bonkers like I saw unless he at least PERCEIVED a cheap shot....this guy was 1/2 sec from punching anything that moved as I was literraly a step from him when he started approaching sec guards and shouting that he wanted the Fisher player's name...

Hi Guys!

Long time reader, first time poster so please be kind.

I hopefully can provide some insight into this upset parent stuff as I was at the game and sitting right near him when security got involved and pulled him away from others. 

He was wearing a Thomas More Football shirt with the number 77 on it so I'm going to assume that this was his father.  I couldn't make out what he was screaming but he was mad.  His son (I assume) was the second player carted off the field.  This happened on that interception play.  I did not see exactly who hit him but it was near where Sant ended up as he was on the sideline being treated and no flag was thrown so I'm going to assume it was a good block and the kid just landed funny on his shoulder/ upper arm as that is what the training staff was holding as he went off the field.  The penalty on Benderski came about 20 yards downfield where he took a good shot on the QB after he was getting up from a first shot by one of the other DL.  He deserved the penalty and never was inserted back in the game after this play that I can recall.  I do have to say though that the intensity of the team, especially the defense really picked up from this play on for the rest of the game.

The first player carted off was a WR/TE (#83 i think) right before half time with what looked like a broken leg.  It happened on a play where the QB was scrambling and he came back to try and set a block on the pursuing defender.  I don't know if he got stepped on or rolled up on but I don't think there was anything close to a cheap shot involved on this play.

Hopefully this helps clarify what happened a little bit.


Looking forward to chatting with you guys as the season goes on!


Go Cardinals!

Cards-What was the dead give away that he was a Fisher fan?

Cmon--I had to do it!!!!

Thanks Guys! Like I said I've been lurking on the boards for quite awhile and decided that I should finally jump into the conversations.  Been a Cardinal fan for a few years now and love to follow these guys and try to make whatever games I can.

Anyone heading down to Pittsburgh area this weekend?

[fisheralum91]

Mr. Card...
Are you an alum or parent?
Welcome and enjoy the season....Should be a great one