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[SJFF82]

So Dlip..did you get a chance to read skunks take on SJF-JCU matchup....what do ya think of his opinion....

[Jonny Utah]

Unless youve seen both teams 2-3 times live (or in HD 5-6 times),  can anyone really say that a team who lost a game, would beat the other team 8 or 9/10 times?

I don't think you can.

And this weather excuse is kind of bull as well.  I can see it being a factor if SJF had a lead and held onto it once it started snowing, but did you see what SJF did on those last two drives? 

The qb threw sharp passes, the wrs ran nice routes and made nice catches, and the Oline pushed around JCU (6 on 7 inside zone as well).

[sjfcards]

Congrats to SJF!

I truly believe that by having "been there" in the play-offs enough times in the past, it definitely helped SJF in this game. 

Middlerelief......you're getting a bit overboard in your diatribe. 

I still believe that 8 out of 10 times (if the weather is decent) JCU beats SJF.  BUT ON THIS DAY (which is all that matters), SJF stayed strong and clearly showed what it takes to win a play-off game.

I think SJF will give Hobart all they want.  Good luck next week. 

As a Mount fan, I have developed a respect and affinity to the SJF program.

Really skunks??? What a classless statement IDHO. Jesus you know an eastern team can't seem to do anything right. SJF has TWO losses, gets selected to go on the road to face a very very good JC team, beats them at their place in an NCAA tourney game...but would lose to them 8 out of 10 times??? You know what? Take your BS compliment backed by an underhanded insult and shove it. Come back and talk football when your regional bias can be replaced with some objectivity. Such a ****in baby.

After the game I felt the same as Skunk did. However, I just watched the game again from the archive (slow around here without the wife and kids), and I have changed my mind. JCU was clearly taking it to Fisher, but after the initial wave they really didn't do much the rest of the way. Considering it was their first home playoff game in a while, you would expect them to be flying out of the gate. JCU had a chance to put Fisher away and could not get into the end zone. Fisher took a hard right to the chin, and fought back. The touchdown to make the game 13-7 sort of righted the ship and from that moment on, Fisher was totally in control.

Watching the game again. The JCU receiving core didn't have much trouble with footing and running routes due to the weather. The pick 6 was not weather related, just a miscommunication. There was some poor decisions made, and they could not run the ball to keep Fisher honest (SJF dropped 8 most of the day). Fisher didn't seem to have trouble throwing the ball in the weather, and had a running game to lean on as well.

After seeing it again, I think Fisher wins on a neutral field. JCU was a really good team. And could/would beat Fisher a couple times if they played a 10 game series, but I think the better team won.

[middlerelief]

Really skunks??? What a classless statement IDHO. Jesus you know an eastern team can't seem to do anything right. SJF has TWO losses, gets selected to go on the road to face a very very good JC team, beats them at their place in an NCAA tourney game...but would lose to them 8 out of 10 times??? You know what? Take your BS compliment backed by an underhanded insult and shove it. Come back and talk football when your regional bias can be replaced with some objectivity. Such a ****in baby.

You know . . . he's so on one hand on the other. . . tough to get a read as to what he thinks about a certain issue

[middlerelief]

After the game I felt the same as Skunk did. However, I just watched the game again from the archive (slow around here without the wife and kids), and I have changed my mind. JCU was clearly taking it to Fisher, but after the initial wave they really didn't do much the rest of the way. Considering it was their first home playoff game in a while, you would expect them to be flying out of the gate. JCU had a chance to put Fisher away and could not get into the end zone. Fisher took a hard right to the chin, and fought back. The touchdown to make the game 13-7 sort of righted the ship and from that moment on, Fisher was totally in control.

Watching the game again. The JCU receiving core didn't have much trouble with footing and running routes due to the weather. The pick 6 was not weather related, just a miscommunication. There was some poor decisions made, and they could not run the ball to keep Fisher honest (SJF dropped 8 most of the day). Fisher did t seem to have trouble throwing the ball in the weather, and had a running game to lean on as well.

After seeing it again, I think Fisher wins on a neutral field. JCU was a really good team. And could/would beat Fisher a couple times if they played a 10 gave series, but I think the better team won.

No one is saying that JCU wasn't a good team (past tense. . . because . . well their season is over).  What we are pointing out is the tone and doubt that most teams in the state of Ohio regarding teams from other conferences -- largely because they believe that if they didn't have to play Mount every season that they'd be somebody.  The last 5 NCAA appearances by teams not named Mount Union from the OAC have a combined record of 1-5. 

There's no reason to qualify a win .. . "the best team on this day. . ." or "weather neutralizing . . . " etc. etc. etc.  You win or you don't. No ** in the standings saying 9-2, but they would've beaten one of the two teams they lost to.  It doesn't exist, because the only day that matters is the day you play, and you are what your record says you are.

[wesleydad]

quote from LL board

Lets not overlook that after just a horrid start from Fisher they out scored Utica 28-7 and played a significant portion of the second half with a backup QB and without their best wide receiver. Throw in the fact that one of Utica's touchdowns was a blatant pass interference on the wide receiver, and another was a questionable catch that game could be seen in a much different light than just looking at the final score.

Fisher guys, you cant have it both ways.  If the game is the game than the Utica game is what it was and so was the JCU game.  I think you are being over sensitive here.  Skunks thinks that JCU wins 8 out of 10 with all things perfect, maybe so.  I do recall several Mount posters stating that if the weather turned it would benefit Fisher since JCU was pass heavy.  I saw JCU live against Mount and they were good.  Passing was all timing and the slightest change in footing will cause issues, that is a given.  Most people other than the Fisher fans were surprised by the result based on the Mount game.  What I think this does is forces people, me included, to re-evaluate the strength of some of these teams.  Enjoy the win, and with the issues with injuries that Hobart has, Fisher looks like they may get a chance at one of the purples, UMHB, if they beat Rowan.  I like how Fisher plays after seeing them these past couple years.  Good luck this week. 

[sjfcards]

quote from LL board

Lets not overlook that after just a horrid start from Fisher they out scored Utica 28-7 and played a significant portion of the second half with a backup QB and without their best wide receiver. Throw in the fact that one of Utica's touchdowns was a blatant pass interference on the wide receiver, and another was a questionable catch that game could be seen in a much different light than just looking at the final score.

Fisher guys, you cant have it both ways.  If the game is the game than the Utica game is what it was and so was the JCU game.  I think you are being over sensitive here.  Skunks thinks that JCU wins 8 out of 10 with all things perfect, maybe so.  I do recall several Mount posters stating that if the weather turned it would benefit Fisher since JCU was pass heavy.  I saw JCU live against Mount and they were good.  Passing was all timing and the slightest change in footing will cause issues, that is a given.  Most people other than the Fisher fans were surprised by the result based on the Mount game.  What I think this does is forces people, me included, to re-evaluate the strength of some of these teams.  Enjoy the win, and with the issues with injuries that Hobart has, Fisher looks like they may get a chance at one of the purples, UMHB, if they beat Rowan.  I like how Fisher plays after seeing them these past couple years.  Good luck this week.

Fair enough. I can accept that those two posts are contradictory.

[boobyhasgameyo]

Yikes.  Jumped on Skunks there.  He's been a fair enough poster in the past and rather gracious as a Mount Union fan (because really they could just be like well you all suck compared to my team...and 99.9% of the time they'd be right). 

Regarding Utica - we did still win that game.  So if wins are what you go by, then we are set there.  I think that argument is more centered on the fact that we didn't monkey stomp them.  I will say though I do understand exactly what Skunks is saying with the 8 out of 10 times.  If I'm being perfectly honest it's how I felt about Ithaca this year.  That is no disrespect at all to Ithaca, as many times as they've won with their backs up against the wall, you can't keep dismissing it as a fluke.  But when you turn it over 5 times to their 1 and lose by 3 points on the road...even though you lost, you can still go away from a game thinking your team was likely better.

The reason I don't think it's as applicable in the JCU case is for the reasons that Cards and Utah pointed out.  We looked like the better team a majority of the game, to me at least.  I was honest about JCU dominating Fisher in the first quarter, so it's not some extreme bias.  We were the better team for longer and we won. 

[skunks_sidekick]

Hey Dlip.....go F%^$ yourself!

After watching JCU play twice via replay/internet, and once in person against Mount, that is MY OPINION.

I will admit that I hadn't had a chance to see SJF play this year, but I have read the E-8 board regularly ever since the past SJF vs. Mount games.  I read what I believe are very knowledgeable posters from the E-8, and SJF fans that all had doubts/questions about this SJF team. 

I think I gave my opinion, and also gave proper respect to SJF. 

Good luck against Hobart, I think you can beat them and move on.

[dlippiel]

Hey Dlip.....go F%^$ yourself!

After watching JCU play twice via replay/internet, and once in person against Mount, that is MY OPINION.

I will admit that I hadn't had a chance to see SJF play this year, but I have read the E-8 board regularly ever since the past SJF vs. Mount games.  I read what I believe are very knowledgeable posters from the E-8, and SJF fans that all had doubts/questions about this SJF team. 

I think I gave my opinion, and also gave proper respect to SJF. 

Good luck against Hobart, I think you can beat them and move on.

[@d3jason]

So Dlip..did you get a chance to read skunks take on SJF-JCU matchup....what do ya think of his opinion....

Laughing really hard right now

[dlippiel]

Hey Dlip.....go F%^$ yourself!

After watching JCU play twice via replay/internet, and once in person against Mount, that is MY OPINION.

I will admit that I hadn't had a chance to see SJF play this year, but I have read the E-8 board regularly ever since the past SJF vs. Mount games.  I read what I believe are very knowledgeable posters from the E-8, and SJF fans that all had doubts/questions about this SJF team. 

I think I gave my opinion, and also gave proper respect to SJF. 

Good luck against Hobart, I think you can beat them and move on.

dlip has no issue and/or questions with your opinion and/or viewing history of both programs skunks. dlip has almost always enjoyed your posts and has no doubt about your football knowledge. However to come on a team's/region's thread after they defeated another team and make a statement that you think they would lose that game 8 out of 10 times is just in poor taste and offensive. Your kinder words towards SJF at that point become moot because your statement is a backdoor insult to SJF and the East as a whole. dlip's point (probably made it too strongly) is that no matter what the east does it never seems to hold up in other's eyes simply because we don't have that team that fits into the top 4-5 each year. Dude SJF, a two loss team from the east region defeated JC on the road in the first round of the playoffs...period. You want to congratulate them then do so without simultainiously insulting them, which is exactly what you did.

Can you imagine if JC defeated SJF and dlip went over on the OAC board and said, great job JC however if that game was played 10 times you would lose at least 8 of them??? dlip would get hammered and rightfully so. So dlip, as usual flies off the handle a bit and he apologizes for that but still feels your post was a regionally biased post that was shared in very poor taste and totally deserved to be called out. You believe that, fine, share it at an appropriate time where it does not come across as whinning and biased (like right after the said JC team got beat).

[fisheralum91]

love the dlip.

[AlfredSaxon8]

Hey Dlip.....go F%^$ yourself!

After watching JCU play twice via replay/internet, and once in person against Mount, that is MY OPINION.

I will admit that I hadn't had a chance to see SJF play this year, but I have read the E-8 board regularly ever since the past SJF vs. Mount games.  I read what I believe are very knowledgeable posters from the E-8, and SJF fans that all had doubts/questions about this SJF team. 

I think I gave my opinion, and also gave proper respect to SJF. 

Good luck against Hobart, I think you can beat them and move on.

dlip has no issue and/or questions with your opinion and/or viewing history of both programs skunks. dlip has almost always enjoyed your posts and has no doubt about your football knowledge. However to come on a team's/region's thread after they defeated another team and make a statement that you think they would lose that game 8 out of 10 times is just in poor taste and offensive. Your kinder words towards SJF at that point become moot because your statement is a backdoor insult to SJF and the East as a whole. dlip's point (probably made it too strongly) is that no matter what the east does it never seems to hold up in other's eyes simply because we don't have that team that fits into the top 4-5 each year. Dude SJF, a two loss team from the east region defeated JC on the road in the first round of the playoffs...period. You want to congratulate them then do so without simultainiously insulting them, which is exactly what you did.

Can you imagine if JC defeated SJF and dlip went over on the OAC board and said, great job JC however if that game was played 10 times you would lose at least 8 of them??? dlip would get hammered and rightfully so. So dlip, as usual flies off the handle a bit and he apologizes for that but still feels your post was a regionally biased post that was shared in very poor taste and totally deserved to be called out. You believe that, fine, share it at an appropriate time where it does not come across as whinning and biased (like right after the said JC team got beat).

+K

I was really disappointed in SJF in conference. I was very critical of them BUT I 100% believe they are the best team in the E8 and could be tops in the region.

I didnt watch all of the Fisher game but what I was able to watch, showed a very stingy but solid Fisher team that could hang with any of the top teams in the East region. I really dont buy the whole 8 out of 10 argument, I think thats a load of crap. Fisher manned up and beat them head to head at home. And until JCU beats them, JCU fans dont have a leg to stand on. You can have all the talent in the world but the only thing that matters is the "W". As far as Im concerned, Fisher played JCU one time and beat them one time. I'd say those odds are a heck of a lot better than 8 out of 10.

[bman]

Hey Dlip.....go F%^$ yourself!

After watching JCU play twice via replay/internet, and once in person against Mount, that is MY OPINION.

I will admit that I hadn't had a chance to see SJF play this year, but I have read the E-8 board regularly ever since the past SJF vs. Mount games.  I read what I believe are very knowledgeable posters from the E-8, and SJF fans that all had doubts/questions about this SJF team. 

I think I gave my opinion, and also gave proper respect to SJF. 

Good luck against Hobart, I think you can beat them and move on.

dlip has no issue and/or questions with your opinion and/or viewing history of both programs skunks. dlip has almost always enjoyed your posts and has no doubt about your football knowledge. However to come on a team's/region's thread after they defeated another team and make a statement that you think they would lose that game 8 out of 10 times is just in poor taste and offensive. Your kinder words towards SJF at that point become moot because your statement is a backdoor insult to SJF and the East as a whole. dlip's point (probably made it too strongly) is that no matter what the east does it never seems to hold up in other's eyes simply because we don't have that team that fits into the top 4-5 each year. Dude SJF, a two loss team from the east region defeated JC on the road in the first round of the playoffs...period. You want to congratulate them then do so without simultainiously insulting them, which is exactly what you did.

Can you imagine if JC defeated SJF and dlip went over on the OAC board and said, great job JC however if that game was played 10 times you would lose at least 8 of them??? dlip would get hammered and rightfully so. So dlip, as usual flies off the handle a bit and he apologizes for that but still feels your post was a regionally biased post that was shared in very poor taste and totally deserved to be called out. You believe that, fine, share it at an appropriate time where it does not come across as whinning and biased (like right after the said JC team got beat).

I have watched the SJF/JCU game 4 times now.  After exhausting review, I have determined that both SJF and JCU would lose 8 times out of 10 to Salve Regina...

Why you ask?  Because they are HUGE with BLAZING SPEED...