FB: Empire 8

[skunks_sidekick]

Hey Dlip.....go F%^$ yourself!

After watching JCU play twice via replay/internet, and once in person against Mount, that is MY OPINION.

I will admit that I hadn't had a chance to see SJF play this year, but I have read the E-8 board regularly ever since the past SJF vs. Mount games.  I read what I believe are very knowledgeable posters from the E-8, and SJF fans that all had doubts/questions about this SJF team. 

I think I gave my opinion, and also gave proper respect to SJF. 

Good luck against Hobart, I think you can beat them and move on.

dlip has no issue and/or questions with your opinion and/or viewing history of both programs skunks. dlip has almost always enjoyed your posts and has no doubt about your football knowledge. However to come on a team's/region's thread after they defeated another team and make a statement that you think they would lose that game 8 out of 10 times is just in poor taste and offensive. Your kinder words towards SJF at that point become moot because your statement is a backdoor insult to SJF and the East as a whole. dlip's point (probably made it too strongly) is that no matter what the east does it never seems to hold up in other's eyes simply because we don't have that team that fits into the top 4-5 each year. Dude SJF, a two loss team from the east region defeated JC on the road in the first round of the playoffs...period. You want to congratulate them then do so without simultainiously insulting them, which is exactly what you did.

Can you imagine if JC defeated SJF and dlip went over on the OAC board and said, great job JC however if that game was played 10 times you would lose at least 8 of them??? dlip would get hammered and rightfully so. So dlip, as usual flies off the handle a bit and he apologizes for that but still feels your post was a regionally biased post that was shared in very poor taste and totally deserved to be called out. You believe that, fine, share it at an appropriate time where it does not come across as whinning and biased (like right after the said JC team got beat).

I have watched the SJF/JCU game 4 times now.  After exhausting review, I have determined that both SJF and JCU would lose 8 times out of 10 to Salve Regina...

Why you ask?  Because they are HUGE with BLAZING SPEED...

AWESOME!!!!   

[sjfcards]

Hey Dlip.....go F%^$ yourself!

After watching JCU play twice via replay/internet, and once in person against Mount, that is MY OPINION.

I will admit that I hadn't had a chance to see SJF play this year, but I have read the E-8 board regularly ever since the past SJF vs. Mount games.  I read what I believe are very knowledgeable posters from the E-8, and SJF fans that all had doubts/questions about this SJF team. 

I think I gave my opinion, and also gave proper respect to SJF. 

Good luck against Hobart, I think you can beat them and move on.

dlip has no issue and/or questions with your opinion and/or viewing history of both programs skunks. dlip has almost always enjoyed your posts and has no doubt about your football knowledge. However to come on a team's/region's thread after they defeated another team and make a statement that you think they would lose that game 8 out of 10 times is just in poor taste and offensive. Your kinder words towards SJF at that point become moot because your statement is a backdoor insult to SJF and the East as a whole. dlip's point (probably made it too strongly) is that no matter what the east does it never seems to hold up in other's eyes simply because we don't have that team that fits into the top 4-5 each year. Dude SJF, a two loss team from the east region defeated JC on the road in the first round of the playoffs...period. You want to congratulate them then do so without simultainiously insulting them, which is exactly what you did.

Can you imagine if JC defeated SJF and dlip went over on the OAC board and said, great job JC however if that game was played 10 times you would lose at least 8 of them??? dlip would get hammered and rightfully so. So dlip, as usual flies off the handle a bit and he apologizes for that but still feels your post was a regionally biased post that was shared in very poor taste and totally deserved to be called out. You believe that, fine, share it at an appropriate time where it does not come across as whinning and biased (like right after the said JC team got beat).

I have watched the SJF/JCU game 4 times now.  After exhausting review, I have determined that both SJF and JCU would lose 8 times out of 10 to Salve Regina...

Why you ask?  Because they are HUGE with BLAZING SPEED...

Crack analysis as always. No one can argue with that.

[Frank Rossi]

Here's some edited video of the Vito Boffoli game-winning touchdown, showing some slow motion of his feet coming down.  It appears to have been a controversial reception, but the replay shows the inside foot came down (toe and side of foot only) inside the out-of-bounds stripe.  It was a great athletic play by Boffoli in all ways.  Congrats to the Bombers, and good luck to all 16 remaining teams as we proceed.

http://youtu.be/i4UbVmuiICw

[Bengalsrule]

love the dlip.

Congrats to Fisher, from BSC BENGAL faithful, on a quality win. Good luck vs. Hobart this weekend!

[D3viewer]

Frostburg in search of a new HC.. No surprise there.

[sjfcards]

Here's some edited video of the Vito Boffoli game-winning touchdown, showing some slow motion of his feet coming down.  It appears to have been a controversial reception, but the replay shows the inside foot came down (toe and side of foot only) inside the out-of-bounds stripe.  It was a great athletic play by Boffoli in all ways.  Congrats to the Bombers, and good luck to all 16 remaining teams as we proceed.

http://youtu.be/i4UbVmuiICw

Looks like a touchdown...

[Bombers798891]

Here's some edited video of the Vito Boffoli game-winning touchdown, showing some slow motion of his feet coming down.  It appears to have been a controversial reception, but the replay shows the inside foot came down (toe and side of foot only) inside the out-of-bounds stripe.  It was a great athletic play by Boffoli in all ways.  Congrats to the Bombers, and good luck to all 16 remaining teams as we proceed.

http://youtu.be/i4UbVmuiICw

Great work frank. Unreal catch, one of the best in Bomber history

[bomber23]

I read a lot on here to keep up with the bombers and E8 but post rarely being somewhat close (in a sense I still am friends with players) to the program... Maybe this is a better question for Pat but what was the reason behind the Bomber game being at Wesley? I know when the bracket came out it insinuated (the word that was used) that if the Bombers and Wesley won, the game would be at IC.  I was excited for another home playoff game, one that would be in cold, possibly snow covered Butterfield (which I think really would have helped the bombers). Then on Sunday I saw the game was at Wesley.  I can understand a multitude of reasons why Wesley should get a home game (them being ranked higher, more recent playoff success, turf field, better weather) but I was just curious if anyone knew the exact reason? Is there a policy/ anything in the seeding process that would explain this?

[Frank Rossi]

I read a lot on here to keep up with the bombers and E8 but post rarely being somewhat close (in a sense I still am friends with players) to the program... Maybe this is a better question for Pat but what was the reason behind the Bomber game being at Wesley? I know when the bracket came out it insinuated (the word that was used) that if the Bombers and Wesley won, the game would be at IC.  I was excited for another home playoff game, one that would be in cold, possibly snow covered Butterfield (which I think really would have helped the bombers). Then on Sunday I saw the game was at Wesley.  I can understand a multitude of reasons why Wesley should get a home game (them being ranked higher, more recent playoff success, turf field, better weather) but I was just curious if anyone knew the exact reason? Is there a policy/ anything in the seeding process that would explain this?

It's essentially seedings that determined the location.  In the case of Wesley, the SOS outweighed other criteria enough that the Wolverines were placed above Ithaca.  In many cases, Wesley's SOS would have been enough for the Committee to treat Wesley like a one-loss team for comparison purposes.  Ithaca going 2-0 vs. Wesley going 0-2 against regionally ranked opponents (RROs) was not enough to get the Committee to flip it back in the other direction.  I posted this elsewhere as a guess as to how the bracketing and seeding played out in this quadrant:

"I would've said:

1. Mount Union

2. Johns Hopkins (We know the first two automatically.)

3. Wittenberg (9-0 in "Region" and respectable SOS.)

4. Framingham State (One loss, but to an RRO -- Rowan -- and very good SOS.)

5. Wesley (Two losses, but extreme SOS.  Not placed above Framingham St. based on Framingham's very good SOS and 9-1 record.  Both lost to Rowan by nearly identical amounts.)

6. Ithaca (Win vs. RRO -- SJF -- placed team above remaining two.  SOS well below Wesley.)

7. Lebanon Valley (Was behind Ithaca in last seen Regional Rankings and the losses were equal, meaning no reason to swap, although Lycoming may have become an RRO in final unseen rankings.)

8. Washington & Jefferson (If Lycoming was an RRO, it would explain the 7/8 ordering better since W&J had a better SOS than LebVal.)

Note that because of the location of Wittenberg, Mount Union, Wittenberg, Lebanon Valley and W&J had to be podded together to avoid any Second Round flight -- as per the new NCAA's budgeting requirements.  The question concerning the ordering of JHU/ITH/FS/WES is an interesting one.  My inclination is this: the Committee viewed Wesley and Ithaca as virtually identical seeds -- you could balance them in either direction and have valid arguments either way.  As such, and in order to not force Framingham State, as a higher seed that couldn't host, to travel a huge distance, they lined up the teams in a way that left Wesley for nearby JHU and left Framingham for nearby Ithaca.  They are not required to strictly follow seedings, but my guesstimate is it ended up as the above if they were forced to seed."

[Pat Coleman]

I read a lot on here to keep up with the bombers and E8 but post rarely being somewhat close (in a sense I still am friends with players) to the program... Maybe this is a better question for Pat but what was the reason behind the Bomber game being at Wesley? I know when the bracket came out it insinuated (the word that was used) that if the Bombers and Wesley won, the game would be at IC.  I was excited for another home playoff game, one that would be in cold, possibly snow covered Butterfield (which I think really would have helped the bombers). Then on Sunday I saw the game was at Wesley.  I can understand a multitude of reasons why Wesley should get a home game (them being ranked higher, more recent playoff success, turf field, better weather) but I was just curious if anyone knew the exact reason? Is there a policy/ anything in the seeding process that would explain this?

The logic Frank provides below is a reasonable interpretation of how this might have happened, but all the confusion surrounding it is a good demonstration of why the NCAA's closed-mouth policy is a bad one.

[bomber23]

The logic Frank provides below is a reasonable interpretation of how this might have happened, but all the confusion surrounding it is a good demonstration of why the NCAA's closed-mouth policy is a bad one.

Thanks Frank this clears it up a little but if they considered Ithaca and Wesley identical seeds, I wish they would have just left it the way the bracket was initially set up.  When they did decide to change it, I wish they would have given us an explanation as to why but as Pat said their closed mouth policy leaves a lot to interpret. I really think playing on the frozen tundra of Butterfield Stadium may have really slowed down the explosive play of Wesley. Wishful thinking.

[sjfcards]

I read a lot on here to keep up with the bombers and E8 but post rarely being somewhat close (in a sense I still am friends with players) to the program... Maybe this is a better question for Pat but what was the reason behind the Bomber game being at Wesley? I know when the bracket came out it insinuated (the word that was used) that if the Bombers and Wesley won, the game would be at IC.  I was excited for another home playoff game, one that would be in cold, possibly snow covered Butterfield (which I think really would have helped the bombers). Then on Sunday I saw the game was at Wesley.  I can understand a multitude of reasons why Wesley should get a home game (them being ranked higher, more recent playoff success, turf field, better weather) but I was just curious if anyone knew the exact reason? Is there a policy/ anything in the seeding process that would explain this?

The logic Frank provides below is a reasonable interpretation of how this might have happened, but all the confusion surrounding it is a good demonstration of why the NCAA's closed-mouth policy is a bad one.

Could not agree more. It seems every other NCAA tournament has a little number next to each team. Why can't they just seed the teams? Is there some benefit to the NCAA to do it this way?

[Frank Rossi]

The logic Frank provides below is a reasonable interpretation of how this might have happened, but all the confusion surrounding it is a good demonstration of why the NCAA's closed-mouth policy is a bad one.

Thanks Frank this clears it up a little but if they considered Ithaca and Wesley identical seeds, I wish they would have just left it the way the bracket was initially set up.  When they did decide to change it, I wish they would have given us an explanation as to why but as Pat said their closed mouth policy leaves a lot to interpret. I really think playing on the frozen tundra of Butterfield Stadium may have really slowed down the explosive play of Wesley. Wishful thinking.

I wouldn't call what they did "chang[ing] it" so much as not clueing us in to the idea that Framingham State didn't file to host.  We knew somebody didn't based on our conversation with Duey Naatz on "In the HuddLLe" (he referenced this idea that there was/were (a) team(s) that didn't file to host, but there were no specifics).  In reality, if they followed seeding closely, then Ithaca should've travelled to Johns Hopkins and Framingham State should've travelled to Wesley.  As such, Ithaca may have actually benefitted from the Committee's setup of that octant of the bracket because there was no other way Ithaca could have hosted.  I know Ithaca fans were upset with how the Second Round game was lined up in terms of location, but take a step back and think about what would have happened if matchup like 2/7 & 3/6 or 2/6 & 3/7 occurred last weekend.  There would have been no Butterfield and perhaps no Second Round at all.

[middlerelief]

In looking at the brackets, some really good interesting match-ups (outside of East Region type games that is).

I think Wittenberg has a shot at MUC.

And am very curious to See Rowan does v MHB.

[sjfcards]

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Enjoy the feast!