FB: Empire 8

[Upstate]

Upstate wrote..."They're [Brockport] already 0-1, Port is going to be matched up vs Fisher in the Courage Bowl..."

Well played. I like your confidence.

That game means so much to the Fisher players and coaching staff that I don't ever see them losing that game...

I do think Brockport finishes in the upper half of the E8 though...

I think they roll Utica, Frostburg and Hartwick...

Buffalo St and Alfred were a pair of close and exciting games for Brockport this year so I think next year will be much of the same...

They have a shot vs Ithaca depending if the Offense and Special Teams of Welch's show up...

I think they go 0-2 vs SU and SJF though...

Early E8 prediction:

A three way tie with SU, SJF and IC. Hell this is the E8, I can see AU joining those three to make it a 4 way tie...

1) SU
1) SJF
1) IC
4) AU
5) Brockport
6) Utica
7) Buffalo St
8) Hartwick
9) Frostburg

[sjfcards]

Upstate wrote..."They're [Brockport] already 0-1, Port is going to be matched up vs Fisher in the Courage Bowl..."

Well played. I like your confidence.

That game means so much to the Fisher players and coaching staff that I don't ever see them losing that game...

I do think Brockport finishes in the upper half of the E8 though...

I think they roll Utica, Frostburg and Hartwick...

Buffalo St and Alfred were a pair of close and exciting games for Brockport this year so I think next year will be much of the same...

They have a shot vs Ithaca depending if the Offense and Special Teams of Welch's show up...

I think they go 0-2 vs SU and SJF though...

Early E8 prediction:

A three way tie with SU, SJF and IC. Hell this is the E8, I can see AU joining those three to make it a 4 way tie...

1) SU
1) SJF
1) IC
4) AU
5) Brockport
6) Utica
7) Buffalo St
8) Hartwick
9) Frostburg

It has come to point where I am more surprised when the E8 has less than 3 teams at the top of the league with one week left.

[middlerelief]

Ok, having watched more D3 games this year than I ever have (meaning, non SJF/E8 games anyway), something that has been on my mind watching the Cards vs. the other programs and how UWW sealed the win yesterday is -- where is the use of the TE for SJF?  Meaning, it doesn't even seem like they either use one, or have routes in their playbook?  The other programs seem to use a TE that helped open up bigger plays on both the run and the pass -- and do not recall SJF using one at all -- would have come in handy.

SJF belonged with the remaining teams, hopefully the off-season is a reinforce time not a rebuild.

[Upstate]

Currently they use their TE as an extra lineman, earlier in the year they had a big converted DL playing that role, he disappeared after 7 games (not sure why) then they moved King to TE (a really big former QB).

They'd have them block and then then bring in another WR on passing downs. Fisher barely threw to the TE or RBs, I think they could have really caught teams off guard if they threw to those two positions in the playoffs.

Last TE Fisher had as a weapon was Harmon and that was in 06.  I don't know if they just have moved away from the position or if they haven't had a kid come through the program that they would consider a better option than a WR in spread formations.

[middlerelief]

makes me wonder what the discussions are around the O-Scheme to not think it should be a part of the list.

[Upstate]

makes me wonder what the discussions are around the O-Scheme to not think it should be a part of the list.

If they had a TE like Kallfez or Harmon and they weren't using him I would second guess them but there isn't anyone on their roster remotely close to them and their offense is really effective as is so no worries here...

[sjfcards]

makes me wonder what the discussions are around the O-Scheme to not think it should be a part of the list.

I think the biggest surprise with Fisher's lack of use of the te position is that when Kramer was the QB he used that pass quite often. I get it is a different scheme for the offense than in those days, but I thought he would use it more.

[SJFF82]

In the past we have discussed recruiting...talent....where it comes from....where it goes and why, etc...

Well the winning Td for MUC was scored by a Rochester-Webster grad '12  ....

Didn't want to go to tradition rich IC?

What about facility rich and 4 time quarterfinalist SJF?

Hobart?

Nope....off to the Machine in Alliance

You think Shorts and Garcon to the NFL helped a high school WR with as aspirations from NY decide??   

[SJFF82]

...he even coulda gone to AU if he liked the color purple so much...

[D3MAFAN]

In the past we have discussed recruiting...talent....where it comes from....where it goes and why, etc...

Well the winning Td for MUC was scored by a Rochester-Webster grad '12  ....

Didn't want to go to tradition rich IC?

What about facility rich and 4 time quarterfinalist SJF?

Hobart?

Nope....off to the Machine in Alliance

You think Shorts and Garcon to the NFL helped a high school WR with as aspirations from NY decide??   

Wasn't the star receiver last year from New York as well?

[ITH radio]

Yes, it was Isaac Collins of Geneva, NY (Hobart's backyard)

[Jonny Utah]

Yes, it was Isaac Collins of Geneva, NY (Hobart's backyard)

I guess shame on all the upstate teams for not getting this kid. 

A quick search shows that Alliance is 5 hours from Geneva, so maybe Upstate NY is still fair game for Mt. Union recruiting. 

[ExTartanPlayer]

Yes, it was Isaac Collins of Geneva, NY (Hobart's backyard)

I guess shame on all the upstate teams for not getting this kid. 

A quick search shows that Alliance is 5 hours from Geneva, so maybe Upstate NY is still fair game for Mt. Union recruiting.

This may be just personal preference, but I think going to college outside your own backyard is very attractive from a teenager's perspective.  That can range from going a few hours away to traveling across the country; I am from the Philadelphia area and went to college in Pittsburgh, about 4 hours' driving time from my house to CMU, and thought it was perfect.  I was (and still am) close enough to get home with a day's notice and an afternoon drive, but far enough away that I had to grow up, learn a new city and region, and forge some of my own identity.

Different strokes for different folks/kids, but I understand why not everyone goes to college in their own backyard, and think 200-300 miles' distance from home is just about the perfect amount of "space" for a kid to grow up while also being within arm's reach (and driving distance for games - my parents made it to 21 of the 23 games during my junior & senior year without it seeming an unreasonable burden).  So I think the OAC schools reaching into NY for recruiting makes perfect sense; at CMU we also had a fair representation of New Yorkers.

[Jonny Utah]

Yes, it was Isaac Collins of Geneva, NY (Hobart's backyard)

I guess shame on all the upstate teams for not getting this kid. 

A quick search shows that Alliance is 5 hours from Geneva, so maybe Upstate NY is still fair game for Mt. Union recruiting.

This may be just personal preference, but I think going to college outside your own backyard is very attractive from a teenager's perspective.  That can range from going a few hours away to traveling across the country; I am from the Philadelphia area and went to college in Pittsburgh, about 4 hours' driving time from my house to CMU, and thought it was perfect.  I was (and still am) close enough to get home with a day's notice and an afternoon drive, but far enough away that I had to grow up, learn a new city and region, and forge some of my own identity.

Different strokes for different folks/kids, but I understand why not everyone goes to college in their own backyard, and think 200-300 miles' distance from home is just about the perfect amount of "space" for a kid to grow up while also being within arm's reach (and driving distance for games - my parents made it to 21 of the 23 games during my junior & senior year without it seeming an unreasonable burden).  So I think the OAC schools reaching into NY for recruiting makes perfect sense; at CMU we also had a fair representation of New Yorkers.

Yes but this is where it gets interesting.  Hobart is a nationally ranked Liberal Arts schools with (lets estimate here), 90% of its student body from within a 5 hour drive.  Kids go to Hobart for all sorts of reasons.  Will Mt. Union show the same statistics?  What do the FA packages show?

[SJFF82]

At the risk of sounding 'bad' (like that has ever stopped me), why would a D3 football player to be, leave his 'backyard' (suburban Roch, NY) for Alliance OH?  In DI, you are recruiting with money/scholarships, plus the allure of big time college campus and football atmosphere....you are happy to leave your home for Happy Valley, Columbus, South Bend, etc...


Presumably, at this level though, a kid just wants to continue playing football and go to college.  If that is the case, why do you decide that the place to go grow up and 'get away from your parents' is Alliance OH when Cortland, Ithaca, St. John Fisher, Hobart and Alfred are all tradition rich (football, academics, facilities et al) possibilities that also offer the ability for a kid to get a little distance from home.

I certainly get that a Webster kid shuns Fisher because it is literally his back yard...but why not IC?  That is a couple hours away....and its Ithaca.  I mean I know Ithaca sucks, but it is Ithaca...

It has to be the Garcon/Shorts/NFL factor at this point...assuming this kid from Webster (Colicchio WR) has those aspirations perhaps?