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[ITH radio]

I like the shield aspect of it so not sure why they didn't put that on the helmets?

Btw - any one know / want to talk about why the coverage by upstate cities like Rochester, Syracuse, maybe Albany to a lesser extent (but to be fair seems like the "district" does pay attn to local teams more so than say SYR) etc is so weak on coverage of CFB?

For example, WPI had a full on media day with local papers, news stations, etc come to campus this week. Their team has struggled of late but still gets the red carpet treatment by their community and athletic communications dept. Hobart by contrast is ranked 12th and will probably won't even publish a media guide.

Now don't get me started on the difference btw athletics comm depts that roll up thru the AD vs a general "communications" one, but was curious, ESP for tho folks who live in Upstate to give their two cents.

Thx.

[fisheralum91]

I cant speak for any other area- but the Greater Utica Area has not only embraced UC athletics- the media has focused on it.
Especially when it comes to Football and MORE SO Mens Hockey!
I think its great.
I like hearing the interviews and hype leading up to big games (especially when Fisher comes to town)!

[ITH radio]

Btw re Fisher, they got a few transfers in, all from Schroeder HS. One of them was former Hobart DE Mark Guarino-Hyde. Coleman got more press but MGH is a very strong player. Hobart's loss is the Cardindals' gain.

[dlippiel]

I like the shield aspect of it so not sure why they didn't put that on the helmets?

Btw - any one know / want to talk about why the coverage by upstate cities like Rochester, Syracuse, maybe Albany to a lesser extent (but to be fair seems like the "district" does pay attn to local teams more so than say SYR) etc is so weak on coverage of CFB?

For example, WPI had a full on media day with local papers, news stations, etc come to campus this week. Their team has struggled of late but still gets the red carpet treatment by their community and athletic communications dept. Hobart by contrast is ranked 12th and will probably won't even publish a media guide.

Now don't get me started on the difference btw athletics comm depts that roll up thru the AD vs a general "communications" one, but was curious, ESP for tho folks who live in Upstate to give their two cents.

Thx.

dlip thinks the coverage here in the Captial Region is ok...sometimes. To dlip it seems like the amount of coverage Union and RPI football receives depends upon which way the ****ing wind is blowing. dlip would love to see both teams receive more in depth coverage and community involvement. dlip guesses the demand isn't really there though for the major coverage that dlip thinks these football players deserve. It still pisses dlip off and he has on a few occasions thrown some spat on twitter trying to get the local paper (Schenectady Gazette) to do more with the Dutchmen. He does understand though that this paper is in poor financial shape and is spread quite thin. Plus, here we have UAlbany (which is now D1 and has built a brand new beautiful stadium) which does deserve some press as well.

[Bombers798891]

Hobart by contrast is ranked 12th and will probably won't even publish a media guide.

I can't speak to the rest of it, so I figured I'd touch on this:

Football media guides are my favorite thing in the world. I have more than 30 IC ones, including half a dozen 1989 ones that have all the great 1988 stats. So I'm by no means being dismissive when I say this:

I have no idea what purpose they serve a Division III school in 2014.

You have to have a website. So the question is: What are you including in a media guide that you don't have on a website? From Hobart's 2013 guide, I see three things.

1. All-time records against specific opponents: Ninety percent of it is just trivia. Hobart is 2-0 all-time against Haveford, who they played in 1950 and 1951? Knowing that will come in handy when I write my book:"H-to-H for H-vs-H: The All-Time Battle for College Football Supremacy Among Teams Whose School Names Start the Eighth Letter of the Alphabet."

If it's meaningful, an SID will include it in pregame notes "The Statesman are 11-6 all-time against playoff opponent St. John Fisher, who they last faced in..." or a recap "Hobart improved to 4-24 all-time against Ithaca..."

2. A four page summary of the season, including by position: This is nice to have in one place, sure. But it's not like I can't gather up the info from the assorted bio/stats pages.

3. A list of all-time letterwinners: This appears to be a non-working link on Hobart's website. And even then, the fact that that J.W. Sutterby, Class of 1941, lettered in 1938 and 1939 is not likely to be something you need to know.

Honestly, I think a media guide is a relic of the past. Many schools do them totally digital now, which saves on costs. And yeah, they're nice to have. But still, I can't imagine really needing them.

[ITH radio]

I guess it's more getting info published online more quickly vs having a media guide is what I should have written. It just seems to me schools with SIDs that roll up via the AD are more driven to get content on their websites in a reasonable time than schools that share resources and/or have a centralized group.

[AUPepBand]

Hobart by contrast is ranked 12th and will probably won't even publish a media guide.

I can't speak to the rest of it, so I figured I'd touch on this:

Football media guides are my favorite thing in the world. I have more than 30 IC ones, including half a dozen 1989 ones that have all the great 1988 stats. So I'm by no means being dismissive when I say this:

I have no idea what purpose they serve a Division III school in 2014.

You have to have a website. So the question is: What are you including in a media guide that you don't have on a website? From Hobart's 2013 guide, I see three things.

1. All-time records against specific opponents: Ninety percent of it is just trivia. Hobart is 2-0 all-time against Haveford, who they played in 1950 and 1951? Knowing that will come in handy when I write my book:"H-to-H for H-vs-H: The All-Time Battle for College Football Supremacy Among Teams Whose School Names Start the Eighth Letter of the Alphabet."

If it's meaningful, an SID will include it in pregame notes "The Statesman are 11-6 all-time against playoff opponent St. John Fisher, who they last faced in..." or a recap "Hobart improved to 4-24 all-time against Ithaca..."

2. A four page summary of the season, including by position: This is nice to have in one place, sure. But it's not like I can't gather up the info from the assorted bio/stats pages.

3. A list of all-time letterwinners: This appears to be a non-working link on Hobart's website. And even then, the fact that that J.W. Sutterby, Class of 1941, lettered in 1938 and 1939 is not likely to be something you need to know.

Honestly, I think a media guide is a relic of the past. Many schools do them totally digital now, which saves on costs. And yeah, they're nice to have. But still, I can't imagine really needing them.

Being a member of that so-called "media," Pep remembers when AU Football had its pre-season "Media Day" when sports reporters were invited in to take photos of some of the players from their coverage area, receive the aforementioned media guide, get a preview interview with the head coach and perhaps the team captains.

It ain't happening anymore. As has already been stated, the online roster/stats/schedule provide the essentials. The glossy media guides were costly to print so the online versions seemed to be a viable option. But then, said media guides, were they printed at all, became a recruiting tool, were printed mid-season and handed to prospective players. Pep is not sure whether AU still does that....probably not. The last AU football media guide Pep has in hand is 2006(?)

Let's go Saxons!

[sjfcards]

Btw re Fisher, they got a few transfers in, all from Schroeder HS. One of them was former Hobart DE Mark Guarino-Hyde. Coleman got more press but MGH is a very strong player. Hobart's loss is the Cardindals' gain.

Sorry if I missed this, but who is this Coleman guy? Any Fisher info I can get my hands on this time of year is a big deal to me...

[Bombers798891]

Hobart by contrast is ranked 12th and will probably won't even publish a media guide.

I can't speak to the rest of it, so I figured I'd touch on this:

Football media guides are my favorite thing in the world. I have more than 30 IC ones, including half a dozen 1989 ones that have all the great 1988 stats. So I'm by no means being dismissive when I say this:

I have no idea what purpose they serve a Division III school in 2014.

You have to have a website. So the question is: What are you including in a media guide that you don't have on a website? From Hobart's 2013 guide, I see three things.

1. All-time records against specific opponents: Ninety percent of it is just trivia. Hobart is 2-0 all-time against Haveford, who they played in 1950 and 1951? Knowing that will come in handy when I write my book:"H-to-H for H-vs-H: The All-Time Battle for College Football Supremacy Among Teams Whose School Names Start the Eighth Letter of the Alphabet."

If it's meaningful, an SID will include it in pregame notes "The Statesman are 11-6 all-time against playoff opponent St. John Fisher, who they last faced in..." or a recap "Hobart improved to 4-24 all-time against Ithaca..."

2. A four page summary of the season, including by position: This is nice to have in one place, sure. But it's not like I can't gather up the info from the assorted bio/stats pages.

3. A list of all-time letterwinners: This appears to be a non-working link on Hobart's website. And even then, the fact that that J.W. Sutterby, Class of 1941, lettered in 1938 and 1939 is not likely to be something you need to know.

Honestly, I think a media guide is a relic of the past. Many schools do them totally digital now, which saves on costs. And yeah, they're nice to have. But still, I can't imagine really needing them.

Being a member of that so-called "media," Pep remembers when AU Football had its pre-season "Media Day" when sports reporters were invited in to take photos of some of the players from their coverage area, receive the aforementioned media guide, get a preview interview with the head coach and perhaps the team captains.

It ain't happening anymore. As has already been stated, the online roster/stats/schedule provide the essentials. The glossy media guides were costly to print so the online versions seemed to be a viable option. But then, said media guides, were they printed at all, became a recruiting tool, were printed mid-season and handed to prospective players. Pep is not sure whether AU still does that....probably not. The last AU football media guide Pep has in hand is 2006(?)

Let's go Saxons!

And honestly, is an 18 year old today likely to be swayed by what's in a media guide?

[Jonny Utah]

Hobart by contrast is ranked 12th and will probably won't even publish a media guide.

I can't speak to the rest of it, so I figured I'd touch on this:

Football media guides are my favorite thing in the world. I have more than 30 IC ones, including half a dozen 1989 ones that have all the great 1988 stats. So I'm by no means being dismissive when I say this:

I have no idea what purpose they serve a Division III school in 2014.

You have to have a website. So the question is: What are you including in a media guide that you don't have on a website? From Hobart's 2013 guide, I see three things.

1. All-time records against specific opponents: Ninety percent of it is just trivia. Hobart is 2-0 all-time against Haveford, who they played in 1950 and 1951? Knowing that will come in handy when I write my book:"H-to-H for H-vs-H: The All-Time Battle for College Football Supremacy Among Teams Whose School Names Start the Eighth Letter of the Alphabet."

If it's meaningful, an SID will include it in pregame notes "The Statesman are 11-6 all-time against playoff opponent St. John Fisher, who they last faced in..." or a recap "Hobart improved to 4-24 all-time against Ithaca..."

2. A four page summary of the season, including by position: This is nice to have in one place, sure. But it's not like I can't gather up the info from the assorted bio/stats pages.

3. A list of all-time letterwinners: This appears to be a non-working link on Hobart's website. And even then, the fact that that J.W. Sutterby, Class of 1941, lettered in 1938 and 1939 is not likely to be something you need to know.

Honestly, I think a media guide is a relic of the past. Many schools do them totally digital now, which saves on costs. And yeah, they're nice to have. But still, I can't imagine really needing them.

Being a member of that so-called "media," Pep remembers when AU Football had its pre-season "Media Day" when sports reporters were invited in to take photos of some of the players from their coverage area, receive the aforementioned media guide, get a preview interview with the head coach and perhaps the team captains.

It ain't happening anymore. As has already been stated, the online roster/stats/schedule provide the essentials. The glossy media guides were costly to print so the online versions seemed to be a viable option. But then, said media guides, were they printed at all, became a recruiting tool, were printed mid-season and handed to prospective players. Pep is not sure whether AU still does that....probably not. The last AU football media guide Pep has in hand is 2006(?)

Let's go Saxons!

And honestly, is an 18 year old today likely to be swayed by what's in a media guide?

I think a well put together media guide for d3 schools helps recruiting.  If an 18 year old gets one in the mail from a school, with nice bios and all sorts of stats from people who played or coached in the program, it can show that the school is serious about football.  It puts in the kids mind that he too can be in that media guide someday.

I do admit that I love all sorts of media guides, even if the content is online.  As a coach at a HS program, many colleges would send their media guides and I found them great reading material.

Is it a dealbreaker for a kid?  No, of course not, but I think it shows a little bit where your program stands in how much they care about the program.

[Upstate]

Btw re Fisher, they got a few transfers in, all from Schroeder HS. One of them was former Hobart DE Mark Guarino-Hyde. Coleman got more press but MGH is a very strong player. Hobart's loss is the Cardindals' gain.

Sorry if I missed this, but who is this Coleman guy? Any Fisher info I can get my hands on this time of year is a big deal to me...

Did you mean to ask about Hyde instead of Coleman?

[sjfcards]

Btw re Fisher, they got a few transfers in, all from Schroeder HS. One of them was former Hobart DE Mark Guarino-Hyde. Coleman got more press but MGH is a very strong player. Hobart's loss is the Cardindals' gain.

Sorry if I missed this, but who is this Coleman guy? Any Fisher info I can get my hands on this time of year is a big deal to me...

Did you mean to ask about Hyde instead of Coleman?

The post mentions "Coleman" got the press. I was wondering about that

[Upstate]

Btw re Fisher, they got a few transfers in, all from Schroeder HS. One of them was former Hobart DE Mark Guarino-Hyde. Coleman got more press but MGH is a very strong player. Hobart's loss is the Cardindals' gain.

Sorry if I missed this, but who is this Coleman guy? Any Fisher info I can get my hands on this time of year is a big deal to me...

Did you mean to ask about Hyde instead of Coleman?

The post mentions "Coleman" got the press. I was wondering about that

He has made several first team AA teams and has (I think, if I remember correctly) over 60 TFL and around 40 career sacks going INTO this year...

Possibly one of the best defensive players in the country...

[dlippiel]

Btw re Fisher, they got a few transfers in, all from Schroeder HS. One of them was former Hobart DE Mark Guarino-Hyde. Coleman got more press but MGH is a very strong player. Hobart's loss is the Cardindals' gain.

Sorry if I missed this, but who is this Coleman guy? Any Fisher info I can get my hands on this time of year is a big deal to me...

Did you mean to ask about Hyde instead of Coleman?

The post mentions "Coleman" got the press. I was wondering about that

He has made several first team AA teams and has (I think, if I remember correctly) over 60 TFL and around 40 career sacks going INTO this year...

Possibly one of the best defensive players in the country...

dlip seconds that! The kid is nothing short of a machine! dlip has watched Tyre for three years now and continues to be blown away by his play. He is going to have a big year for the Pumpkin Heads.

[sjfcards]

Btw re Fisher, they got a few transfers in, all from Schroeder HS. One of them was former Hobart DE Mark Guarino-Hyde. Coleman got more press but MGH is a very strong player. Hobart's loss is the Cardindals' gain.

Sorry if I missed this, but who is this Coleman guy? Any Fisher info I can get my hands on this time of year is a big deal to me...

Did you mean to ask about Hyde instead of Coleman?

The post mentions "Coleman" got the press. I was wondering about that

He has made several first team AA teams and has (I think, if I remember correctly) over 60 TFL and around 40 career sacks going INTO this year...

Possibly one of the best defensive players in the country...

dlip seconds that! The kid is nothing short of a machine! dlip has watched Tyre for three years now and continues to be blown away by his play. He is going to have a big year for the Pumpkin Heads.

Got it...thanks guys. I read the original post as Coleman was a transfer, but I see the error of my ways. Thanks for putting me straight.