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Bombers798891

Quote from: Jonny "Utes" Utah on November 09, 2014, 03:46:39 AM

1. Same goes for IC's offense which was conservative as usual. 

2. I think Dempsey...is a good runner as well and I'm surprised they don't boot him more.

1. Let's give them some credit. The second touchdown came on a WR pass. A screen would be a great call, especially considering Oliver is the running back right now. But as much as they've always been a conservative offense, they really don't have the weapons this year to do anything exotic. Their top two receivers, in terms of catches, both average less than 10 yards per catch, and they're on their 4th string running back—who isn't really a running back

2. This, a million times

middlerelief

In both losses this year -- I think the coaching staff of SJF can look at themselves as being directly as they can for not being on the field themselves responsible for the losses.

The players have to make plays - I got that.  However, truly bad play calling, questionable play callings, and clearly under prepared for schemes were so apparent -- and that is all coaching.  The game, the flow, it is clearly not instinctual for some members of the staff.

Squibb kick to close the 1H when you know the opposition has a kicker that drained 40 to 50 yd FGs throughout the season?

Terrible, awful Red Zone calling by the offense -- a kid that plays a few hours of Madden could've done a better job.

So disappointing -- what a let down.

boobyhasgameyo

Yesterday was a tough pill to swallow.  Ithaca was the best defense we've gone against this year, however that was an inexcusable offensive performance.  From Fenti's inability to perform at even an average level for him to the coaching staff's ineptitude for making any sort of meaningful adjustment...disappointing all around.  This team had one defensive dud against Salisbury and now an offensive dud against Ithaca to match.  Both resulting in losses and more than likely will push Fisher to the ECACs.  I very much enjoy the playoffs to see how Fisher matches up against other conference reps and seeing new teams for the first time.  Frustrating to have that most likely off the table now.  Hate you Salisbury.  Hate you 18 seconds left in the game and giving up the game tying touchdown. 

Also, even though Fisher's offense was offensive yesterday, that was a fun and competitive first half.  The Ithaca fans were really into it and it ended with that nice 50 yard field goal as time expired to tie the game.  It was an exciting atmosphere. 

boobyhasgameyo

I agree Middlerelief, the coaching staff has been a letdown the entire season, even in games they have won.  One of our first and goal series yesterday they had Nigolian actually come on to the field (he probably played in 20% of the plays and was targeted 0 times...so yeah, he was a decoy).  But they had him single covered, presumably because Ithaca realized he was out there ceremoniously, against a db that he had 6 inches on.  Nigolian is probably the most talented WR we've ever had and his hands are amazing.  Why not throw it to him one time???  Even if he jumps off his one good foot, he would have grabbed one.  He has done it all year.  Instead, we ran it on first and second down for no yards, and on 3rd down (Nigolian was out at this time) Fenti missed his target in the end zone by about 3 yards...which was his personal theme for the day. 

Bombers798891

Okay, so some more Bomber thoughts...

I said earlier this week that it took an insane combo of special teams and turnovers for IC to win last year, so how could I predict a Bomber win? Well, I guess a repeat of last year was an option. Just an unlikely one. Yet here we are. My thoughts.

1. For the 2nd straight year, Fisher botches the end of the first half special teams situation. After a long return last year, they squib kick it, which allows Ithaca to get to the 43-yard line, make a couple of offensive plays, and kick a FG. This one, however, was a stunning 50-yarder by Max Rottenecker.

2. At first glance, I thought Fisher passed too much given how well they ran it. But of their 37 passes, 16 of them came with them down by 11 with 10 minutes to go. At that point, you have to play for the possibility of needing three possessions. And, unfortunately, on the drive before, they ran the ball four times and got stopped short. So maybe that affected the playcalling.

3. At the same time, let's give Ithaca some credit. Nigolian or no, you don't hold a team averaging more than 40 points a game to two field goals if you're not doing something right.

4. More importantly, I think something's shifted in the rivalry. Right around 2008, it seemed like Ithaca was intimidated by Fisher, and would go down as soon as Fisher landed a solid punch. These last four games, Ithaca's changed that. They're standing toe-to-toe with the Cardinals. And now, no players on either roster know anything other than, "These games are going to be great."

Congrats to the Bombers! On to Cortaca, and then the playoffs!

D3MAFAN

Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 09, 2014, 09:03:03 AM
Okay, so some more Bomber thoughts...

I said earlier this week that it took an insane combo of special teams and turnovers for IC to win last year, so how could I predict a Bomber win? Well, I guess a repeat of last year was an option. Just an unlikely one. Yet here we are. My thoughts.

1. For the 2nd straight year, Fisher botches the end of the first half special teams situation. After a long return last year, they squib kick it, which allows Ithaca to get to the 43-yard line, make a couple of offensive plays, and kick a FG. This one, however, was a stunning 50-yarder by Max Rottenecker.

2. At first glance, I thought Fisher passed too much given how well they ran it. But of their 37 passes, 16 of them came with them down by 11 with 10 minutes to go. At that point, you have to play for the possibility of needing three possessions. And, unfortunately, on the drive before, they ran the ball four times and got stopped short. So maybe that affected the playcalling.

3. At the same time, let's give Ithaca some credit. Nigolian or no, you don't hold a team averaging more than 40 points a game to two field goals if you're not doing something right.

4. More importantly, I think something's shifted in the rivalry. Right around 2008, it seemed like Ithaca was intimidated by Fisher, and would go down as soon as Fisher landed a solid punch. These last four games, Ithaca's changed that. They're standing toe-to-toe with the Cardinals. And now, no players on either roster know anything other than, "These games are going to be great."

Congrats to the Bombers! On to Cortaca, and then the playoffs!

Please do not lose to Cortland.

boobyhasgameyo

Haha yeah, please do not lose to Cortland.  And yes I agree, Ithaca's defense also did something right.  They were the best defense that I've seen Fisher play against this year.  That combined with Fisher also shooting themselves in the foot = Fisher being held without a touchdown for the first time since the season opener in 2008 against Mount Union.  If you look at teams not named Mount Union it hasn't happened since 2001. 

D3viewer

Going into the last reg season's games I thought it would be interesting to see where the conf stands now vs how it was prognosticated by the HCs in the preseason.
Who was "overrated" and who was "underrated".

Pre season HC poll (did they rise or drop and how many spots) (where picked..where now in standings)

1. SJF (-1)      (1, 2)
2. SU  (-1)      (2, 3)
3. ITH (+2)     (3, 1) [they received 1 first place vote, SU did not, SJF got all the others...was it Vosburgh ? Maybe must pick the conf w/o your team in it ?]
4. AU  (-2)      (4, 6)
5. BR  (-1)      (5, 6)
6. BS  (+3)     (6, 3)
7. UT  (+4)     (7, 3)
8. HW (-1)      (8, 9)
9. FSU(+1)     (9, 8)

The most underrated team was Utica who now sports a 4-3 conf record and 6-3 overall. They beat Brockport, Buff St and Alfred, who were all picked ahead of them.
If they beat Hartwick this week, they will finish with their best ever record.
The most "overrated" team is not as dramatic. Alfred. Picked 4th..now stands at 6th with a 3-4 conf record. This seems reasonable considering the overhaul of their coaching staff. If they lose to Fisher on Sat..they will have their first .500 season since 2003. Losing to Hartwick, Brockport and Utica hurt them as all were picked to finish below them.

middlerelief

Question is, (assuming SJF gets a win vs. Alfred which is not a give obv) does SJF get an at-large bid with two losses this year, like they did in prior two trips --

I believe the answer is no.  Here's my spec as to that is the case:

6 At Large Bids (right?)
1 will go to Widener/Del Valley Loser (East)
1 will go to JCW/Mt. Union Loser (North)
1 will go to Bethel (West)
1 will go to Muhlenberg or Thomas More (South)
Leaving 2 spots for Wabash (North), North Central (North), Tex Lutheran (South), OshKosh/Platteville (West), Maybe Linfield/Pacific (West), St. Thomas (North), SJF 2 losses to unranked teams (East)

Might be too many teams vying for too many spots.  This year, I think they're left out.

boobyhasgameyo

Fisher has a very high SOS (which I guess is a little higher now that Ithaca beat them  :) ), but yeah I'd say they aren't going to be selected.  Also, Ithaca is ranked now, just ahead of Fisher actually.

And Bethel has two losses.  To very good teams yes, but they weren't even close.  They lost by 17 points and 23 points. 

Of course Alfred can and just might put an end to any slight hope that may remain.  That's what Alfred usually does to Fisher in this position.  With last year being a notable exception. 

Upstate

No one at Fisher can talk about a "National Championship" again if they can't go 10-0 in the regular season.

Don't care how strong the conference is, finish 10-0 before you talk about playing in Salem.
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wesleydad

Quote from: middlerelief on November 09, 2014, 05:48:23 PM
Question is, (assuming SJF gets a win vs. Alfred which is not a give obv) does SJF get an at-large bid with two losses this year, like they did in prior two trips --

I believe the answer is no.  Here's my spec as to that is the case:

6 At Large Bids (right?)
1 will go to Widener/Del Valley Loser (East)
1 will go to JCW/Mt. Union Loser (North)
1 will go to Bethel (West)
1 will go to Muhlenberg or Thomas More (South)
Leaving 2 spots for Wabash (North), North Central (North), Tex Lutheran (South), OshKosh/Platteville (West), Maybe Linfield/Pacific (West), St. Thomas (North), SJF 2 losses to unranked teams (East)

Might be too many teams vying for too many spots.  This year, I think they're left out.

Middle, I don't see any chance that they get a bid.  The question is do they even get on the board from the east.  After the Del Val - Widener loser gets chosen as they surely will there is a good chance that Framingham State is the next team up for the east.  They may not get off the board.  Their 1 loss is to 3 loss Rowan, who by some miracle looks like they might win the NJAC.  You have to hope that they get the second pool B bid and are not in the way.  Morrisville may jump into the discussion with their win against Montclaire.  If will be interesting to see how far Fisher drops in the RR.  The east looks really bad right now for a second pool C bid.  Everyone has 2 loses and compared to the other 2 loss teams around the nation, they do not look very good.

wesleydad

Quote from: Upstate on November 09, 2014, 06:03:46 PM
No one at Fisher can talk about a "National Championship" again if they can't go 10-0 in the regular season.

Don't care how strong the conference is, finish 10-0 before you talk about playing in Salem.

Upstate, hard to argue with this.  You can not be in the elite category and lose 2 games in a season.  1 may be acceptable if it is to another elite team.

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middlerelief

Quote from: Upstate on November 09, 2014, 06:03:46 PM
No one at Fisher can talk about a "National Championship" again if they can't go 10-0 in the regular season.

Don't care how strong the conference is, finish 10-0 before you talk about playing in Salem.

Agree

You can't really be in the conversation as the Top Team in the State, Region, or Nation if you can't be the top team in your conference.

'14 was a big, big BIG  wasted opportunity for the program -