FB: Empire 8

[Teamski]

Well, Alfred gave it a good go there for a while.  There is nothing like a game where a few plays can mean so much in the score differential.  They played MU a lot tougher than I thought they would.  Turnovers ended up being the unraveling of the team..... 

I think MU is going to have a long game against UMHB......

-Ski

[wesleydad]

Good season for Alfred.  Ran out of comebacks.  Nice effort in making it a game into the second half just ran out of gas.

[Toph]

And there is the johnson from the past few years.  Way too careless with the football....

Guys, this team isn't the best team in the OAC.  It's Mount's worst team in probably a decade or more.  I thought Mount would win by 3 TD...I didn't think they'd be up by 3 TD  at the start of the 2nd quarter.

Yes, thank you for reiterating that. Anything else?

Yes.  I'm wondering why this team got to host every game to this point in the postseason.  What did they do to earn it?  They clearly would go 8-2 at best in another conference.

Because they went 10-0 and were undefeated in the conference they played in.

Bobby I don't think he was serious when he was asking that question.

I think regardless they should host against Mount, just because of Mount's record and SOS, but these guys hosted throughout the playoffs thus far, and I don't think they even make the playoffs in a down OAC.  You can't seed purely based on record.  The NCAA basketball tournament (D1) doesn't give top seeds to teams just because they win their conference, why does the D3 football tournament?

[D O.C.]

Well, Wheaton is admirable except giving Mary early Christmas presents.

[boobyhasgameyo]

Hard to say if they would have made the playoffs or not in the OAC this year.  They likely would have beaten all of the other teams outside of JCU and MU just as those two did.  E8 teams were 3-0 against the OAC in the regular season.  Obviously don't know how they would have performed against JCU.  It's not as though you can speak in absolutes about it either.  Like oh JCU would for sure win it.  Otherwise I'll start having flashbacks to a couple years ago when the last time we heard that an E8 team was bound to lose to John Carroll.  We all know how that turned out. 

[HScoach]

Don't know where Alfred would fall in the down OAC, but this I know.   They aren't anywhere near the level of the SJF teams that Mount has played in the playoffs.

[Jonny Utah]

(For some reason Toph I can't quote your post, I'm getting some sort of message saying "body of message empty")

I think that is just what they do in football.  Going undefeated is just that much more important, especially in a conference (E8) that is probably the best in the east most years.  The same would probably hold true for basketball.  If a NESCAC team has a top record, they are getting a top seed.  Also basketball has many more cross over games where you can more accurately determine the strength of a team.

It's also 3:15 on game day, after we know the results of some of these games.  Why not post all your opinions before Alfred was down 28-7?

[HScoach]

For the record, Toph is a John Carroll guy.   Not Mount.

[Toph]

(For some reason Toph I can't quote your post, I'm getting some sort of message saying "body of message empty")

I think that is just what they do in football.  Going undefeated is just that much more important, especially in a conference (E8) that is probably the best in the east most years.  The same would probably hold true for basketball.  If a NESCAC team has a top record, they are getting a top seed.  Also basketball has many more cross over games where you can more accurately determine the strength of a team.

It's also 3:15 on game day, after we know the results of some of these games.  Why not post all your opinions before Alfred was down 28-7?

A fair question.  Privately I sent emails to friends and family saying that Mount would win 42-14, but that was solely based on statistics because I hadn't seen anything from Alfred.  I didn't feel like that opinion would merit much here.  Again, what I'm saying isn't changing the location of today's game, because I would still have Alfred host over Mount, but I think it's pretty clear (even before the playoffs) that Alfred isn't one of the six best teams in the country, so why are they seeded that way?

[Bartman]

Congrats to Alfred on a great season. As far as today, you just put yourself in a huge hole but your offense fought back admirably...Johnson with 500 yards passing...wow....the defense , however.............still, Mayberry should be proud of their Saxons this year 

[boobyhasgameyo]

(For some reason Toph I can't quote your post, I'm getting some sort of message saying "body of message empty")

I think that is just what they do in football.  Going undefeated is just that much more important, especially in a conference (E8) that is probably the best in the east most years.  The same would probably hold true for basketball.  If a NESCAC team has a top record, they are getting a top seed.  Also basketball has many more cross over games where you can more accurately determine the strength of a team.

It's also 3:15 on game day, after we know the results of some of these games.  Why not post all your opinions before Alfred was down 28-7?

A fair question.  Privately I sent emails to friends and family saying that Mount would win 42-14, but that was solely based on statistics because I hadn't seen anything from Alfred.  I didn't feel like that opinion would merit much here.  Again, what I'm saying isn't changing the location of today's game, because I would still have Alfred host over Mount, but I think it's pretty clear (even before the playoffs) that Alfred isn't one of the six best teams in the country, so why are they seeded that way?

Geographical implications is one obvious reason. 

And thank you for not making this about JCU specifically.  And going the comparative score route against Mount Union as an argument against Alfred and for JCU.  Would have hated to be the millionth person to discount that argument.  But rest assured I would have cited how Fisher beat Olivet by a larger margin than JCU this year, so they're better than JCU, but Fisher lost to Alfred decisively...so Alfred must be decisively better than JCU. 

Looks like I just threw it out there anyway.  Preemptive? Haha

[Toph]

(For some reason Toph I can't quote your post, I'm getting some sort of message saying "body of message empty")

I think that is just what they do in football.  Going undefeated is just that much more important, especially in a conference (E8) that is probably the best in the east most years.  The same would probably hold true for basketball.  If a NESCAC team has a top record, they are getting a top seed.  Also basketball has many more cross over games where you can more accurately determine the strength of a team.

It's also 3:15 on game day, after we know the results of some of these games.  Why not post all your opinions before Alfred was down 28-7?

A fair question.  Privately I sent emails to friends and family saying that Mount would win 42-14, but that was solely based on statistics because I hadn't seen anything from Alfred.  I didn't feel like that opinion would merit much here.  Again, what I'm saying isn't changing the location of today's game, because I would still have Alfred host over Mount, but I think it's pretty clear (even before the playoffs) that Alfred isn't one of the six best teams in the country, so why are they seeded that way?

Geographical implications is one obvious reason. 

And thank you for not making this about JCU specifically.  And going the comparative score route against Mount Union as an argument against Alfred and for JCU.  Would have hated to be the millionth person to discount that argument.  But rest assured I would have cited how Fisher beat Olivet by a larger margin than JCU this year, so they're better than JCU, but Fisher lost to Alfred decisively...so Alfred must be decisively better than JCU. 

Looks like I just threw it out there anyway.  Preemptive? Haha

I understand there could be geographical problems, and I haven't done enough research to figure out what roadblocks lay out there.  I was thinking aloud.  To be specific about JCU, I actually think their seeding was fair.  The loss at Oshkosh hurts their case to be any higher than they are.  So this really had nothing to do with my team...I just figured where better to have a discussion about D3 playoff seeding than a D3 discussion board?

[boobyhasgameyo]

No worries.  Didn't upset me greatly or anything.  I don't think anyone here ever made an argument that Alfred was a top 4 team this year.  But at the same time with how they tend to form the brackets it made sense after Mount Union lost in the last game of the season.  Had they won I don't think there is any doubt it would have been their bracket yet again. 

[skunks_sidekick]

Congrats to Alfred for a great season.  After the 28-7 start, I thought Mount would roll to an easy 56-14 type game.  Alfred kept coming back, and made a game of it into the 3rd quarter.  Alfred's defense was not good, kind of like Mount's defense which basically stunk.  I AM giving credit to Alfred's QB because he kept many plays alive and just made things happen.

Mount against MHB next week....YIKES! 

[Toph]

No worries.  Didn't upset me greatly or anything.  I don't think anyone here ever made an argument that Alfred was a top 4 team this year.  But at the same time with how they tend to form the brackets it made sense after Mount Union lost in the last game of the season.  Had they won I don't think there is any doubt it would have been their bracket yet again.

Interestingly, The NCAA will have to make a decision on where the JCU/Oshkosh game will be held.  I would say it should be at Oshkosh, because I would have Oshkosh seeded higher...BUT if we follow the logic that has been set forth up to this point, the game will be at JCU.  After all, JCU won their conference, Oshkosh didn't.

I'm interested to see...