FB: Empire 8

[UfanBill]

Serious question: What was the temperature like in Delaware last week?Going from playing/practicing in the frozen tundra of Brockport over the last 4-5 weeks, mid 60's could be concern for some cramping and such for the Brockport squad. Home field this late in the playoffs, especially in a North(East)/South(West) matchup is probably a bigger deal than most think, outside of the extensive travel that East teams aren't really accustomed to.

I still think Brockport can hang, but I'm leaning towards Mary Hardin Don Baylor by double digits.

Machiavelli, I'm not sure why you didn't use your "powers" to reveal this but looking at what's listed in the box score from Delaware last Saturday the game temperature was 45-50. Also there is no "frozen tundra" in Brockport in November. The temps the last few weeks have been a football friendly 40's and thus a forecast of low 60's in Belton should not be a factor.

[DFWCrufan]

Any given Saturday

That is indeed true Fisher... but we can speculate...if it is correct it's champagne for everyone!.. if wrong it's...pabst blue ribbon in a dark pub downtown...

[bports]

Brockport will be in this game from start to finish. They will surprise a lot of people come saturday. Its a great offense vs a great defense and a good offense vs a good defense. Not sure if they will get the w but they are making the trip to get the w. They are not as over matched as some think.

[wesleydad]

Serious question: What was the temperature like in Delaware last week?Going from playing/practicing in the frozen tundra of Brockport over the last 4-5 weeks, mid 60's could be concern for some cramping and such for the Brockport squad. Home field this late in the playoffs, especially in a North(East)/South(West) matchup is probably a bigger deal than most think, outside of the extensive travel that East teams aren't really accustomed to.

I still think Brockport can hang, but I'm leaning towards Mary Hardin Don Baylor by double digits.

Machiavelli, I'm not sure why you didn't use your "powers" to reveal this but looking at what's listed in the box score from Delaware last Saturday the game temperature was 45-50. Also there is no "frozen tundra" in Brockport in November. The temps the last few weeks have been a football friendly 40's and thus a forecast of low 60's in Belton should not be a factor.

Plus Brockport didn't play in Delaware last week.

[wesleydad]

Brockport will be in this game from start to finish. They will surprise a lot of people come saturday. Its a great offense vs a great defense and a good offense vs a good defense. Not sure if they will get the w but they are making the trip to get the w. They are not as over matched as some think.

bports, they may be in the game start to finish.  They can not play like they did in the second half if they are going to be in game at all.

[dlippiel]

I'm so happy that Brockport is just a tune up for your next game lmao. No way DV will score enough points to win this game. 31-17 Brockport!

bsports - I guess for both of us (as I had a 20 point Brockport victory and you had a 14 point victory with DelVal only scoring 17 against the Brockport defense all game..........and they put up 21 in one quarter), the old saying applies........."It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt".



Make the East (although my Manhattan buddies think that Brockport, NY............and all of New York that's not Manhattan or the other four boroughs is akin to Guam, and certainly not the "East" ) proud and take down Mary Hardin Baylor. Brockport has the QB, size, speed and defense to do the job but if that defense gets torched like it did through the air and on the ground in the 4th quarter against DelVal.........it could be a long, long day in Texas.

So if I am reading your post correctly, Brockport is better than St. Thomas. They have size and speed better than St Thomas AND The Cru? This is intriguing. I am watching the Brockport v DV game now. I will look for these things. I know no team can be underestimated, and we can't look past Brockport at all.

From an outside perspective, Brockport has done everything that you can ask for a team, they went on the road and won a big game (Del Val), won a big game at home against as good team (Wesley), and dominated a team (not sure that team showed up) at home as they should have. I watched both the 2nd and 3rd games in its entirety, the first game I was watching a New England Bowl game. I think the two match-ups against Wesley and Delaware Valley has prepared them mentally. Mentally beating a team like Wesley that has been the top of the crop in ER. Then, playing against a team that has been firing on all cylinders and playing with a chip on their shoulder in Delaware Valley, they beat them. Regarding the Delaware Valley game, I think  Brockport was being overconfident and did not finish against a good opponent (kudos to Delaware Valley). However, they survived and will use that as learning experience. Do I think they are better than UST, we shall see (Historically, no). I think UST is well coached and super aggressive. But, I believe Brockport will utilize what Georgia did against Auburn and not run at the awesome D-Line that UMHB has and play on the edge and vertically in the seams. I think Brockport main thing is limiting the run and big play, which they have done when focused. I think Brockport earned their position this weekend and is unequivocally the best ER team this year, they would beat any other ER team at least 8 out of 10 times on neutral field. I am looking forward to their matchup against UMHB. I respect UMHB as they have taken that next step from being at Tier II, Tier IB to National Champion.

+k, Great post. dlip believes this to be true WITHOUT a doubt. The east region is sending it's best team to Texas this Saturday. What comes of that we shall see.

[dlippiel]

Brockport will be in this game from start to finish. They will surprise a lot of people come saturday. Its a great offense vs a great defense and a good offense vs a good defense. Not sure if they will get the w but they are making the trip to get the w. They are not as over matched as some think.

Again, like it has been stated before, there is good, even very very good, but then there is that top tier of DIII good...which many just don't seem to understand. Hopefully Bport is close to that. Listen, the Golden Eagles can go down to Texas and get ****ing homogenized and still be a very very good team. That top tier is just...well ****ing over the top.

[Machiavelli]

Serious question: What was the temperature like in Delaware last week?Going from playing/practicing in the frozen tundra of Brockport over the last 4-5 weeks, mid 60's could be concern for some cramping and such for the Brockport squad. Home field this late in the playoffs, especially in a North(East)/South(West) matchup is probably a bigger deal than most think, outside of the extensive travel that East teams aren't really accustomed to.

I still think Brockport can hang, but I'm leaning towards Mary Hardin Don Baylor by double digits.

Machiavelli, I'm not sure why you didn't use your "powers" to reveal this but looking at what's listed in the box score from Delaware last Saturday the game temperature was 45-50. Also there is no "frozen tundra" in Brockport in November. The temps the last few weeks have been a football friendly 40's and thus a forecast of low 60's in Belton should not be a factor.

The reason I didn't check the weather is because I usually have assistants from Union that do mindless stuff like that for me so thank you.

@wesleydad ahhhhh yes, Delaware Valley is in PA, my B. I bet if Brockport played DVC in Delaware, however, things would have been drastically different, especially with different refs, and more turnovers.

In any case, was a simple inquiry. 65 degrees in Texas sounds like sun burn city for this pale guy. I hope the Brockport trainers bring tons of sunscreen for the squad.

[dlippiel]

No doubt people don't equate the 2002 JCU and 2013 SJF teams. Then again, one out-of-region win is not the same as three.

Ah, forgive me...

I thought going on the road knocking of two top 10 teams in back to back weeks that had a combined 20-1 (one loss to UMU by 8) record at the time of their matchups meant something a bit more than going on the road and getting 3 wins, two teams lost to 6 win teams that same year...

"It's not surprising since some never miss the opportunity to point out to the 2002 JCU team that came into the east region and won 3 straight games" -- you're trying to draw the comparison here but SJF won one out-of-region game in the playoffs, so it's not really a 1-to-1 comparison, right?

Upstate please forgive Pat's anti ER bias which has existed for so long now dlip can't even remember when it started. It shines brighter than the ****ing explosion at one of North Korea's damn nuke tests...

[fisheralum91]

No doubt people don't equate the 2002 JCU and 2013 SJF teams. Then again, one out-of-region win is not the same as three.

Ah, forgive me...

I thought going on the road knocking of two top 10 teams in back to back weeks that had a combined 20-1 (one loss to UMU by 8) record at the time of their matchups meant something a bit more than going on the road and getting 3 wins, two teams lost to 6 win teams that same year...

"It's not surprising since some never miss the opportunity to point out to the 2002 JCU team that came into the east region and won 3 straight games" -- you're trying to draw the comparison here but SJF won one out-of-region game in the playoffs, so it's not really a 1-to-1 comparison, right?

Upstate please forgive Pat's anti ER bias which has existed for so long now dlip can't even remember when it started. It shines brighter than the ****ing explosion at one of North Korea's damn nuke tests...

Crazy midwesterner

[Pat Coleman]

No doubt people don't equate the 2002 JCU and 2013 SJF teams. Then again, one out-of-region win is not the same as three.

Ah, forgive me...

I thought going on the road knocking of two top 10 teams in back to back weeks that had a combined 20-1 (one loss to UMU by 8) record at the time of their matchups meant something a bit more than going on the road and getting 3 wins, two teams lost to 6 win teams that same year...

"It's not surprising since some never miss the opportunity to point out to the 2002 JCU team that came into the east region and won 3 straight games" -- you're trying to draw the comparison here but SJF won one out-of-region game in the playoffs, so it's not really a 1-to-1 comparison, right?

Upstate please forgive Pat's anti ER bias which has existed for so long now dlip can't even remember when it started. It shines brighter than the ****ing explosion at one of North Korea's damn nuke tests...

Crazy midwesterner

If it's been as long as dlip would have you believe then it certainly started when I lived on the East Coast.

It's just where the facts are, man. The facts are against the East Region. We celebrated both of St. John Fisher's two-road-win runs, and we even predicted the first one -- it just isn't the equivalent that you want to make it. It's something else -- still fun and cool, but not the same.

[fisheralum91]

100% the same no- Ill give ya that.
Similar...Ill give Upstate that one.

Both were great rides.

[UfanBill]

Look, most of us have been D3 football fans for years now and we know that the East cannot get to the Stagg bowl without getting through one of the top teams. Many seasons that's been Mt.Union. The truth is that there are only five or six top tier teams every season. Mt. Union, the WIAC champ, St. John's or St. Thomas, Linfield and MHBU/Hardin-Simmons. Unfortunately for those of us that would like more parity in D3 football (and a chance for an Eastern Stagg Bowl appearance) they are the same teams every season. I think virtually ALL the other playoff teams are on a par with the best of the East. This year the best of the East, Brockport, gets a road to the Stagg that doesn't go through Alliance, Ohio but again does through another of the top tiers. Why?...because nobody else from the North, South or West can crack that domination either. Maybe this once a decade Brockport team can get it done.

[boobyhasgameyo]

Look, most of us have been D3 football fans for years now and we know that the East cannot get to the Stagg bowl without getting through one of the top teams. Many seasons that's been Mt.Union. The truth is that there are only five or six top tier teams every season. Mt. Union, the WIAC champ, St. John's or St. Thomas, Linfield and MHBU/Hardin-Simmons. Unfortunately for those of us that would like more parity in D3 football (and a chance for an Eastern Stagg Bowl appearance) they are the same teams every season. I think virtually ALL the other playoff teams are on a par with the best of the East. This year the best of the East, Brockport, gets a road to the Stagg that doesn't go through Alliance, Ohio but again does through another of the top tiers. Why?...because nobody else from the North, South or West can crack that domination either. Maybe this once a decade Brockport team can get it done.

Preach brother.  +k

I actually think this will go in a different direction.  I predict that Brockport will put up more points than most expect against the Cru, but that the Cru offense will also have a field day.  I'm thinking something like 45-23 Cru. 

What's that?  The same exact score as the time Fisher played them?  Weird!  Though that game was a one possession game (31-23) midway through the 4th quarter.  Fisher DB nearly had an intereception in the end zone too, but the ball went through his hands.  Cru put two scores on in the 2nd half of the 4th and that as they say...was that.  I honestly expect a similar outcome.  Although I am rooting hard that Brockport proves me wrong and puts together a complete game.  Pulls this thing out! 

The Cru faithful are pretty cool posters though by the way.  If only there were more matchups between the E8 and UMHB.  Regular season OOC style so we wouldn't have to be so sad about not coming out on top.  The Cruthedral is legit. 

[fisheralum91]

I agree with boob-
The Cru faithful along with many of the upper crust D3 teams have some cool fans.
Level headed and insightful for the most part. That includes UWW UMU and a few others, but UST on the other hand