FB: Empire 8

[realistic]

also, female sumo wrestling seems like it would be pretty hard to watch as well.

please tell me that doesn't really exist.  I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

[Frank Rossi]

I don't think I even mentioned specific criteria.

Hmmm....this looks like specific criteria.

I'll post a broader analysis later, but the Quality of Wins tiebreaker will only come in under one scenario:  Ithaca beats Springfield (Springfield wins out), Ithaca beats Alfred, St. John Fisher beats Alfred, St. John Fisher beats Utica.  That would be the three-teams-at-one-loss-who-lost-to-each-other scenario -- the only one.  In a four-way tie at two losses, there cannot be use of the lower tiebreaker because two teams will likely fall out after the head-to-head tiebreaker.  The E8 Playoff scenarios are actually simpler than you're making them out to be.

Also note that if the QoW scenario were to play out, Springfield would be severely damaged -- because the wins it would attain would hamper it's QoW average greatly, the loss would hamper it even more, and Ithaca would skyrocket with a 23 or 24 points added in its QoW tally.  I believe Ithaca would overtake Springfield under that scenario (assuming Ithaca beats Cortland).  However, again, QoW is an anamolous case in the E8 because of the intermixing of higher teams still to play each other (i.e., SOMEONE has to lose).

I'll try not to clutter the board...First, nowhere in this one is there "selection criteria" discussed.

This too...

Then Cortland-Ithaca would likely determine the E8.

And as for Union, I think you should recognize by your one-loss assessment that there is a paucity of strong teams THROUGHOUT Division III this year.  Two losses for Union would actually keep it very much in the hunt.  Hobart with one loss to Union would be a near certainty to get a Pool C bid right now.

This statement focuses on the fact that compared to other seasons, there appears to be slightly less teams, when used as a ratio of available playoff slots, really in a one-loss-or-less position this year.   We're three weekends short of selection, and it's surprising to me that there aren't more teams in the mix.  Ummmm...Still no criteria there.

As does this...

Good collection of info.  However, remember that some teams can be chosen with three losses while some with one loss stay home.  You have to remember to add two-loss teams with out-of-division losses and treat similar one-loss teams as undefeated for purposes of Pool C.  The quality of the LOSS(es) also makes a huge difference.  Union with two losses (assuming, for argument, 10-0 Springfield and 9-0 Hobart) would be more likely to go than Wooster with one loss to a 2-7 team (hypothetical).  This is reflected by the fact that Union currently is the second-highest one-loss team in the QoW index.  Finally, the 2006 Playoff handbook is out.   While it appears 23 conferences would qualify since they have 7+ teams, only 21 are getting auto-bids.  I'm not sure if you did it, but the PAC and the NWC need to be looked at as "Pool B" -- It's unlikely that a fifth Pool B team would receive a Pool C bid this year.

Maybe a hint of a criterion in this one, as I discuss the fact that a team in a subpar conference losing to a subpar team would not stand up to analysis as much as a team from a par-or-above conference that loses two games to teams that are 10-0, 9-0 or something close.  That's based on history, not pontification, though.  So label it how you please.

This too...

Then Cortland-Ithaca would likely determine the E8.

And as for Union, I think you should recognize by your one-loss assessment that there is a paucity of strong teams THROUGHOUT Division III this year.  Two losses for Union would actually keep it very much in the hunt.  Hobart with one loss to Union would be a near certainty to get a Pool C bid right now.

That's not a selection criterion.  That's a discussion on the E8 Auto-Bid.  There's disagreement as to whether Springfield's QoW index would be able to withstand a loss to Ithaca and wins against two subpar teams (especially if Ithaca gains about 23 points for wins against Springfield and Cortland).  This is a much tougher analysis because of the out-of-conference opponents factor.  I believe if it plays out, Springfield plummets below a surging Ithaca.  However, we won't know until that weekend for sure.  I respect the alternate opinion on this one.

Here's another...

It's irrelevant how many one-loss teams there are if there are Midwestern two-loss teams or two-loss teams viewed as having quality losses.  You've watched this play out for a number of years...You know how the committee works.  It's not a simple "more losses" issue.

That's again based on history and the Midwest bias.  Feel free to confirm with the LLPPers on this one.  Also, go back and read the entire 2005 discussion about this very issue -- it started around the middle of last season.

And one more for good measure...

The real problem could arise if any of the three-loss teams who are tied or close for their conference title pull Pool A bids (Kenyon/Oberlin/Wittenberg/Allegheny in the NCAC, Emory and Henry in the ODAC, Millsaps in the SCAC).  That'd turn Pool C on its head.

This is based on fact.  If a 3- or 4-loss team wins its conference, then there is one less slot for a Pool C contender as it stands to reason that there may be a 1-loss team of high caliber that was displaced from an auto-bid.  Thus, if not a Pool C lock, that 1-loss team would add to the pool of legitimate teams that must get analyzed.  We see this play out in the BCS annually.

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So, Jose, as I asked you before, do you care to elaborate on where my misinformation is?  All you did was place random quotes on the board.  Counterpoint them, and then I'll respect you.

[fisheralum91]

one thing about attorneys-- they arent too verbose

[bombsaway]

Frank, some lady just lost custody of her kids, a guy in a neck brace just lost a chance at millions, a guy just went to the chair for a crime he didn't commit, and a dead man's will was just violated all because of all the time you have spent on this board.  You, Mr. Rossi, should spend more time on your clients and less time on this board.... you make my brain hurt.  Ithaca wins out, they're in, end of story, let's do it!

Chase that ambulence Frank, it's getting away.......BOMBS-away!

[theoriginalupstate]

The NCAA East Region Rankings are out:

No. Name        In-Region Overall
1.   Springfield 7-0           7-0
2.   Hobart      6-0            6-0
3.   Rowan      3-0            5-1
4.   Wilkes      7-0            7-0
5.   C- State   6-0            7-0
6.   SJFC         7-1            7-1
7.   Union       5-1           5-1
8.   Alfred        6-1           6-1
9.   Ithaca       5-1           6-1
10. Curry        8-0           8-0

[icgrad87]

also, female sumo wrestling seems like it would be pretty hard to watch as well.

please tell me that doesn't really exist.  I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

[realistic]

that wasn't necessary.....

[JQV]

also, female sumo wrestling seems like it would be pretty hard to watch as well.

please tell me that doesn't really exist.  I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

How do we know those are women?

[Rowdy Rowdy Bomber]

Dubbz,

despite the new option the college has offered... i still need those 4 tickets I asked for. Please advise- thanks-  Rowdy

[Rowdy Rowdy Bomber]

also, female sumo wrestling seems like it would be pretty hard to watch as well.

please tell me that doesn't really exist.  I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

How do we know those are women?

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/dowbrigade/2005/07/21  ... thats how.

[JQV]

also, female sumo wrestling seems like it would be pretty hard to watch as well.

please tell me that doesn't really exist.  I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

How do we know those are women?

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/dowbrigade/2005/07/21  ... thats how.

+k for that.

[cstate19]

cstate 19 may have a few extra cortaca tickets.......in an unheard of act of kindness cstate19 will let the IC posters know in case they need some......yea i referred to myself in the 3rd person

[fisheralum91]

Im quite frankly surprised that IC is so down!

[maxpower]

cstate 19 may have a few extra cortaca tickets.......in an unheard of act of kindness cstate19 will let the IC posters know in case they need some......yea i referred to myself in the 3rd person

Been posting over on the LL board much?

[maxpower]

Im quite frankly surprised that IC is so down!

+k to you, FA91. What evidence at all do we have that Alfred is better than IC? I'm not rejecting the possibility, but unless it's a chain of Alfred played Springfield close who beat Fisher by more who beat IC, which is a stretch if you ask me, I just don't get it....

I've heard a lot about Keeley, how does AU's D stack up? Pep? Kazoo?