FB: Empire 8

[BobNapoleone]

per Gordonmann on the MAC page:

Ithaca is playing Kings College next season....

Didnt know if the IC alum were aware or not...

Thanks for the info!!  Everything I have heard points to Lycoming and King's heading to the E8 for football at some point.  Sounded like our relationship with Buff State (and Brockport?) was coming to an end after this year.

Really? I did not know that about Lyco and Kings.....

The Buff state game is the reason why IC wont go to the playoffs this year....

Its a shame too, was looking forward to the rematch....

Upstate..listen to you.....two weeks left...with any luck, you guys will win out and we can meet in the second round...probably at Butterfield as it stands right now....



         One down, four to go...then it's SATERDAY       

[BobNapoleone]

What a great game.  First game back since playing did not disappoint.  Little scalice is a monster and loved the uncovered field on friday to make it slick.  Nice to meet Mr. N and Mr. Gordon as well as seeing the lumpy family and some FDCer's.  Bombers made me proud

bomber27...it was a pleasure meeting you....still hold the last Cortaca game at Cortland as a HUGE highlight from the last few years....and you made that game pretty memorable....among others...

Congrats on the new job and get a GM job back here as soon as you can!

              Once a Bomber...Always a Bomber              

[BobNapoleone]

OK....I've said enough for one night......

[theoriginalupstate]

Upstate..listen to you.....two weeks left...with any luck, you guys will win out and we can meet in the second round...probably at Butterfield as it stands right now....



         One down, four to go...then it's SATERDAY       

Mr. N, Im not sure if you caught what Frank wrote earlier but here it is again:

In an effort to unlock the mystery of the three-way tie between SJF, Ithaca and Springfield, I've computed what would happen if all three of those teams win out this season.  As you remember, the tiebreaker that will decide this tie will be the NCAA's Quality of Wins index ("QoW").  It is tough to gauge how such a tiebreaker will come out because all teams on all of the tied teams' schedules still have games left, making the QoW score vulnerable to several swings.  However, with only one or two games left for every team, there is a lot more certainty.

Springfield
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Current QoW: 11.375
Opponents Left:  vs Hartwick, at Norwich
QoW with Two Wins:  10.800

Ithaca
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Current QoW:  9.286
Opponents Left:  at Alfred, at Cortland
QoW with Two Wins:  10.333

SJF
----
Current QoW:  10.667
Opponent Left:  at Alfred
QoW with Win:  10.900

Now, we must take into account how vulnerable each of these QoW indices are to swings.  Two E8 teams could affect each of the tied teams' QoW, but each of these two teams would have an equal across-the-board effect on the QoW.  Thus, we can ignore the Utica and Hartwick effects.

The non-E8 teams that could have an effect are as follows:

For Ithaca:  Buffalo State (Could Add 0.222)

For Springfield:  Montclair (Could Add 0.200)

For SJF: King's (Could Add 0.200), Rochester (Could Subtract 0.200), Mt. Ida (Could Add OR Subtract 0.200)

From this, the following observations can be made.  Assume the best case scenario for Ithaca -- namely, that Montclair does not add to Springfield's QoW, and Buffalo State does add to Ithaca's.  The best possible QoW for Ithaca (ignoring E8 opponent swings) would be 10.556.  The lowest possible QoW for Springfield would be 10.800.  Therefore, ITHACA CANNOT CATCH SPRINGFIELD in this three-way-tie scenario.

As for SJF, it currently appears that it has the advantage in the QoW tiebreaker.  SJF's position would be solidified this situation if:  (1) Rochester wins at least one more game, (2) King's wins both remaining games, (3) Mt. Ida wins both remaining games and (4) Montclair loses at least one game.  Essentially, since the SJF/Springfield margin would be 0.100, and each of these occurances would swing their QoW by 0.200, even a single one of the first three events, assuming the fourth event (Montclair) happened would have a marked effect.

Thus, in a three-way-tie between SJF, Ithaca and Springfield, we know that Ithaca is eliminated, SJF can still win the E8 and there cannot be a tie, as Springfield's six home games will always place it 0.100 off kilter with SJF.

[BobNapoleone]

Upstate..listen to you.....two weeks left...with any luck, you guys will win out and we can meet in the second round...probably at Butterfield as it stands right now....



         One down, four to go...then it's SATERDAY       

Mr. N, Im not sure if you caught what Frank wrote earlier but here it is again:

In an effort to unlock the mystery of the three-way tie between SJF, Ithaca and Springfield, I've computed what would happen if all three of those teams win out this season.  As you remember, the tiebreaker that will decide this tie will be the NCAA's Quality of Wins index ("QoW").  It is tough to gauge how such a tiebreaker will come out because all teams on all of the tied teams' schedules still have games left, making the QoW score vulnerable to several swings.  However, with only one or two games left for every team, there is a lot more certainty.

Springfield
-------------
Current QoW: 11.375
Opponents Left:  vs Hartwick, at Norwich
QoW with Two Wins:  10.800

Ithaca
--------
Current QoW:  9.286
Opponents Left:  at Alfred, at Cortland
QoW with Two Wins:  10.333

SJF
----
Current QoW:  10.667
Opponent Left:  at Alfred
QoW with Win:  10.900

Now, we must take into account how vulnerable each of these QoW indices are to swings.  Two E8 teams could affect each of the tied teams' QoW, but each of these two teams would have an equal across-the-board effect on the QoW.  Thus, we can ignore the Utica and Hartwick effects.

The non-E8 teams that could have an effect are as follows:

For Ithaca:  Buffalo State (Could Add 0.222)

For Springfield:  Montclair (Could Add 0.200)

For SJF: King's (Could Add 0.200), Rochester (Could Subtract 0.200), Mt. Ida (Could Add OR Subtract 0.200)

From this, the following observations can be made.  Assume the best case scenario for Ithaca -- namely, that Montclair does not add to Springfield's QoW, and Buffalo State does add to Ithaca's.  The best possible QoW for Ithaca (ignoring E8 opponent swings) would be 10.556.  The lowest possible QoW for Springfield would be 10.800.  Therefore, ITHACA CANNOT CATCH SPRINGFIELD in this three-way-tie scenario.

As for SJF, it currently appears that it has the advantage in the QoW tiebreaker.  SJF's position would be solidified this situation if:  (1) Rochester wins at least one more game, (2) King's wins both remaining games, (3) Mt. Ida wins both remaining games and (4) Montclair loses at least one game.  Essentially, since the SJF/Springfield margin would be 0.100, and each of these occurances would swing their QoW by 0.200, even a single one of the first three events, assuming the fourth event (Montclair) happened would have a marked effect.

Thus, in a three-way-tie between SJF, Ithaca and Springfield, we know that Ithaca is eliminated, SJF can still win the E8 and there cannot be a tie, as Springfield's six home games will always place it 0.100 off kilter with SJF.

Upstate.......I did see that thanks.....still would find it difficult to leave one of the three "out" with one win....and bring somebody else in.....

[BobNapoleone]

Now...I am "punchin out"..see you guys later in the week!

[bombsaway]

anyone going to the Buffalo/Green bay game this weekend?  I will be there, stop by the tailgate and give me some negative karma in person
'

[theoriginalupstate]

anyone going to the Buffalo/Green bay game this weekend?  I will be there, stop by the tailgate and give me some negative karma in person
'

Im going....

I'll be tailgating by the fieldhouse....where you going to be?

[theoriginalupstate]

great, its the Pats on primetime tonight....

On comes the Teddi Bruschi man love....


I'm not sure if anyone knows but Teddy Bruschi singlehandedly both started and ended the Cold War

[pg04]

great, its the Pats on primetime tonight....

On comes the Teddi Bruschi man love....


I'm not sure if anyone knows but Teddy Bruschi singlehandedly both started and ended the Cold War

Don't get me started on Bruschi!!

[theoriginalupstate]

great, its the Pats on primetime tonight....

On comes the Teddi Bruschi man love....


I'm not sure if anyone knows but Teddy Bruschi singlehandedly both started and ended the Cold War

Don't get me started on Bruschi!!

Obviously you dont like football, because according to ESPN you cant LOVE football unless you LOVE Teddy Bruschi.

+ K for the hatred of Bruschi!

[pg04]

Shocking: I lost Karma in dealing with the NJAC!

Might've been the ODAC too, they're a little sensitive.

So I see! I think that's the end of me with them! Don't want to stir anything else up!

[pg04]

great, its the Pats on primetime tonight....

On comes the Teddi Bruschi man love....


I'm not sure if anyone knows but Teddy Bruschi singlehandedly both started and ended the Cold War

Don't get me started on Bruschi!!

Obviously you dont like football, because according to ESPN you cant LOVE football unless you LOVE Teddy Bruschi.

+ K for the hatred of Bruschi!

Yes we know he came back from a life threatening thing, but they didn't have to necessarily bring that up over and over again!...especially when he returned...against the bills!  +K to ya as well lol!

P.S. I hate football

[theoriginalupstate]

great, its the Pats on primetime tonight....

On comes the Teddi Bruschi man love....


I'm not sure if anyone knows but Teddy Bruschi singlehandedly both started and ended the Cold War

Don't get me started on Bruschi!!

Obviously you dont like football, because according to ESPN you cant LOVE football unless you LOVE Teddy Bruschi.

+ K for the hatred of Bruschi!

Yes we know he came back from a life threatening thing, but they didn't have to necessarily bring that up over and over again!...especially when he returned...against the bills!  +K to ya as well lol!

I've got nothing against Bruschi, I think he's a great player and give him a ton of credit for coming back, but i'd really wish ESPN would get his sack out of their mouths.....

[pg04]

great, its the Pats on primetime tonight....

On comes the Teddi Bruschi man love....


I'm not sure if anyone knows but Teddy Bruschi singlehandedly both started and ended the Cold War

Don't get me started on Bruschi!!

Obviously you dont like football, because according to ESPN you cant LOVE football unless you LOVE Teddy Bruschi.

+ K for the hatred of Bruschi!

Yes we know he came back from a life threatening thing, but they didn't have to necessarily bring that up over and over again!...especially when he returned...against the bills!  +K to ya as well lol!

I've got nothing against Bruschi, I think he's a great player and give him a ton of credit for coming back, but i'd really wish ESPN would get his sack out of their mouths.....