FB: Empire 8

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i'm sorry are you saying that Fisher's defense is as bad as Springfield's?  Outside of Springfield in which Fisher was missing 4 defensive starters (that means about 37% of the starting defense for all of you non math majors) and Brockport which just came back at the very end to make the score what it was, you should really look at how many points Fisher opponents post throughout their entire season and what they put up when they play Fisher.

"Heck they gave up 55 to SC", but heck they've only given up 56 points the other 8 games combined.     

These are issues you have to deal with during the playoffs too. Everyone's had players hurt. Ithaca fans didn't make a big issue out of not having Tom Bluemhauer or one of the previously injured secondary players on the field when Fisher ripped them for 34 unanswered second half points. Last year, Ithaca spent most of the season with a make-shift defense because of injuries and still made the playoffs before a loss at Union.

Bottom line, the team on the field still has to get it done, injuries or not. That day, Springfield was the better team. Fisher couldn't stop Sharpe nor the Springfield offense and ended up allowing 55 points and only stopped SC once the entire day. Springfield's defense that day was better. The Pride stepped up and made big plays when they had to, forcing several fumbles late and coming up with key stops.

What happens in a hypothedical world if Fisher plays Augustana in the playoffs? Obviously this wouldn't happen but I'm just using a team that uses a similar type of offense. You can't ask Auggie not to run the option because it's a "gimmick offense." Ithaca ran a type of option attack during the national championship years. Are you going to say that this type of offense can't win big games?

John-

The insinuation that Fisher's Defense isn't as good a defense as advertised is ridiculous. Everyone runs into a situation where they simply have an off day, and run into an offense that's hitting on all cylinders - That was clearly the case when Springfield came to town.

You can't use the Springfield game as a base to judge this defense. Against traditional offenses Fisher is very solid. I think that game came down to coaching. Vosburgh & Co. didn't prepare well enough for the Springfield offense and they got burned badly. Ithaca had a much better gameplan & executed perfectly. ... In my opinion it comes down to coaching & I think Fisher lacks in that area. Talent only takes you so far, you have to have the proper gameplan laid out from the top down.

[pg04]

What a rousing conversation all of you are having! 

[Tags]

What a rousing conversation all of you are having! 

Ha - What else is good Portgrad? We should focus again on Cortland - Rowan.

[Tags]

I'd love to see it folks, but I have a hard time believing that the committee will really select 3 teams from the E8.

[pg04]

Well that's more of an NJAC conversation, but ideally I would like Cortland to win against rowan (effectively eliminating Rowan), then have Ithaca beat Cortland... Therefore I believe 3 E8 teams will get in.  And also getting the maximum number of NY teams in at this point!  

[AUPepBand]

P.S. in this bye week for Fisher, I will most likely be attending the U of R vs. RPI game.  Hopefully it will be a good one. 

Alfred-Ithaca may prove to be a better game to see....only 70 minutes from Rochacha, as FDC meets AUPepBand at Merrill Field.

Wonder what kind of turnout there will be from the FDC?

[Tags]

I hate to make this post, but I honestly don't see Alfred winning either the Ithaca or the Fisher game... I think both of those teams will be bringing their A-games.

No offense AU pep.

[Frank Rossi]

Well that's more of an NJAC conversation, but ideally I would like Cortland to win against rowan (effectively eliminating Rowan), then have Ithaca beat Cortland... Therefore I believe 3 E8 teams will get in.  And also getting the maximum number of NY teams in at this point!  

The oddity about Rowan is their QoW Index currently - a 9.000?  That's ridiculously low, even for one loss after this many weeks of action.  WP and Cortland would sort of counter-balance around that number, maybe with a little upward bias.  So, my question becomes -- how sure of a thing is Rowan with one Region loss to make a Pool C bid anyway? 

[pg04]

Note: The NCAA selection committee HOPES tags is wrong (and sends a couple of hitmen out to his house), and Alfred beats one of the two...

[Tags]

Well that's more of an NJAC conversation, but ideally I would like Cortland to win against rowan (effectively eliminating Rowan), then have Ithaca beat Cortland... Therefore I believe 3 E8 teams will get in.  And also getting the maximum number of NY teams in at this point!  

The oddity about Rowan is their QoW Index currently - a 9.000?  That's ridiculously low, even for one loss after this many weeks of action.  WP and Cortland would sort of counter-balance around that number, maybe with a little upward bias.  So, my question becomes -- how sure of a thing is Rowan with one Region loss to make a Pool C bid anyway? 

Rowan seems to be barely getting by - I don't believe they've really put anyone away convincingly... could be wrong so don't jump down my throat. Just an observation.

[pg04]

Well that's more of an NJAC conversation, but ideally I would like Cortland to win against rowan (effectively eliminating Rowan), then have Ithaca beat Cortland... Therefore I believe 3 E8 teams will get in.  And also getting the maximum number of NY teams in at this point!  

The oddity about Rowan is their QoW Index currently - a 9.000?  That's ridiculously low, even for one loss after this many weeks of action.  WP and Cortland would sort of counter-balance around that number, maybe with a little upward bias.  So, my question becomes -- how sure of a thing is Rowan with one Region loss to make a Pool C bid anyway? 

Doesn't matter, either they will be a Pool A with one region loss (ie, they beat Cortland) or a Pool C non-hopeful with two in region losses (the lose to cortland)...There's no way they can be a one-loss Pool C candidate.

[boobyhasgameyo]

agree to disagree

ok then let me come at you this way

Fisher has given up 111 total points in 9 games

Springfield has given up 167 points in 8 games.

So Fisher has played one more game but has given up 56 less points, but yeah Fisher's defense is terrible, and SC's defense is on the same level.  

[Tags]

Note: The NCAA selection committee HOPES tags is wrong (and sends a couple of hitmen out to his house), and Alfred beats one of the two...

I hope I'm wrong. I'd love for all three to get in, they all deserve it at this point.

I honestly don't think Alfred will beat either team right now. Maybe if Ithaca or Fisher's entire season weren't on the line but it is. Both teams know that one loss will put them on the outside looking in... just don't see it.

[Frank Rossi]

Well that's more of an NJAC conversation, but ideally I would like Cortland to win against rowan (effectively eliminating Rowan), then have Ithaca beat Cortland... Therefore I believe 3 E8 teams will get in.  And also getting the maximum number of NY teams in at this point!  

The oddity about Rowan is their QoW Index currently - a 9.000?  That's ridiculously low, even for one loss after this many weeks of action.  WP and Cortland would sort of counter-balance around that number, maybe with a little upward bias.  So, my question becomes -- how sure of a thing is Rowan with one Region loss to make a Pool C bid anyway? 

Rowan seems to be barely getting by - I don't believe they've really put anyone away convincingly... could be wrong so don't jump down my throat. Just an observation.

lol...not gonna jump down your throat, especially after Ithaca's performance.  But it seems like pollsters were very weary of Rowan's performance, moving them down a notch here and a notch there all season, even in wins.  The Regional poll, though, treated the Profs well.  We'll see tomorrow's second poll to see if the Montclair loss changes that.  Technically, it doesn't matter since WP won't beat Rowan -- making this Cortland/Rowan showdown for the Pool A bid.  Rowan loses, and I believe their QoW won't remain above 9.000 at judgment time = buh bye.  Cortland on the other hand would be very much alive with a loss.

[boobyhasgameyo]

Tags,

I hear you but the same scenario presented itself last year and it was a must win situation for Fisher, Alfred managed to win.  So I wouldn't go that far just yet, but I like your spirit! lol