FB: Empire 8

[fisheralum91]

the only thing i can see remotely as coaching let downs are AU and Del Valley over the last few years...

AU was a mental breakdown.

Del Valley was a let up.

Still- tough to blame coaching for missed opportunites and miscues...

[BobNapoleone]

bring it jose....nothing tops my sign last year....

cstate....YOU are really keeping it together this year......what will next week hold....will your keyboard command you to continue on this "objective..level headed place that you are".....OR

.....will the rivalry rear it's ugly head.....

Next Stop Alfred......Merrill Field and the home of the "Pep Band"....

                      DEFENSE wins Championships                 

[JQV]

bring it jose....nothing tops my sign last year....

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Frank- what was the issue with the Fisher coaching?

The other Fisher guys know the answer to this in greater detail but from my observation I think he has 3 main shortcomings:

1.  His teams are woefully underprepared.  I don't know if he is bad at preparation, lazy when it comes to preparation, or one of those coaches that believes in the Bobby Knight mantra of "we don't adjust, you adjust to us."  Either way, Fisher never seems ready for obvious tendencies of opponents.

2. He is bad at utilizing his talent.  I suppose this is due in part to his strength in bringing in a lot of talent.  Nevertheless, there is no reason Mark Robinson is not getting 30+ carries a game, especially with Fehrenbach gone.  I know Reile was decent after Robinson got hurt last fall but heck with that.  A player of Robinson's caliber should always get the rock.  Also, how does Suchnya start the year at QB?  It's not like he set the world on fire last fall.  Clearly, Kramer is much better.  Vosburgh had to have seen that in practice.  He is lucky they didn't lose a freak game under Suchnya.

3. His teams have come out flat at bad times.  I know it is cliche to pin this on the coach but, there is no reason for Fisher to have stumbled when they have stumbled the last few years.  They would have won the E8 outright two years ago, and would have made the playoffs last fall without devastating late season stumbles.

I gotta say one thing (surprised, I know).  SJF has come from "bottom-fisher" in the Upstate New York region to strong competitor over the last five years.  They've compiled a schedule in that time that I really was impressed by year after year.  They've grown from that schedule, no doubt.  I don't care what team you are -- if you can come from the ashes and into the national spotlight with that sort of schedule in this sort of competition, then you can't have a bad coach at the helm.  I think their success points to a very good leader at the helm -- and obviously good players.  However, how many times in sports do we see a collection of good players go by the wayside because of poor leadership and cohesiveness?  I think statements criticizing the SJF coaching are somewhat short-sighted.

No one said the guy didn't turn the program around.  I am just saying they should be better and here are his shortcomings as a coach.  I also don't know how much credit he personally deserves for turning the program around.  The Head Coah at Fisher is named Paul Vosburgh, not "Ralph Wilson" or "Bills Lockerroom."

the only thing i can see remotely as coaching let downs are AU and Del Valley over the last few years...

AU was a mental breakdown.

Del Valley was a let up.

Still- tough to blame coaching for missed opportunites and miscues...

Those were two big let ups.  I would add SC to this list as well.  

The coach isn't solely to blame but he can't avoid the blame either.

[BobNapoleone]

Frank- what was the issue with the Fisher coaching?

The other Fisher guys know the answer to this in greater detail but from my observation I think he has 3 main shortcomings:

1.  His teams are woefully underprepared.  I don't know if he is bad at preparation, lazy when it comes to preparation, or one of those coaches that believes in the Bobby Knight mantra of "we don't adjust, you adjust to us."  Either way, Fisher never seems ready for obvious tendencies of opponents.

2. He is bad at utilizing his talent.  I suppose this is due in part to his strength in bringing in a lot of talent.  Nevertheless, there is no reason Mark Robinson is not getting 30+ carries a game, especially with Fehrenbach gone.  I know Reile was decent after Robinson got hurt last fall but heck with that.  A player of Robinson's caliber should always get the rock.  Also, how does Suchnya start the year at QB?  It's not like he set the world on fire last fall.  Clearly, Kramer is much better.  Vosburgh had to have seen that in practice.  He is lucky they didn't lose a freak game under Suchnya.

3. His teams have come out flat at bad times.  I know it is cliche to pin this on the coach but, there is no reason for Fisher to have stumbled when they have stumbled the last few years.  They would have won the E8 outright two years ago, and would have made the playoffs last fall without devastating late season stumbles.

I gotta say one thing (surprised, I know).  SJF has come from "bottom-fisher" in the Upstate New York region to strong competitor over the last five years.  They've compiled a schedule in that time that I really was impressed by year after year.  They've grown from that schedule, no doubt.  I don't care what team you are -- if you can come from the ashes and into the national spotlight with that sort of schedule in this sort of competition, then you can't have a bad coach at the helm.  I think their success points to a very good leader at the helm -- and obviously good players.  However, how many times in sports do we see a collection of good players go by the wayside because of poor leadership and cohesiveness?  I think statements criticizing the SJF coaching are somewhat short-sighted.

Frank,
  While they have acquired incredible facilities over the last five years (and that has been a HUGE asset).....they recruit extremely well.....and their coaching staff top to bottom, especially Vosburgh, Scachetti & Faggiano are great guys.

[cstate19]

Dear Mr. N,

i will continue my "objective..level headed place that you are"

I will just be a little funnier.....

seriously???!!! noone saw my sign last year??

[maxpower]

let it also be known jose that the bombers display pictures of the roster while the dragons do not

Cstate, Jose and I have access to more pictures of Cortland teams and players than you would care to think about. Plus Jose has already displayed his proficiency with Google. You say you spent some time standing on the sideline at Cortaca? A CState19 sighting might not be out of the question....

[BobNapoleone]

Dear Mr. N,

i will continue my "objective..level headed place that you are"

I will just be a little funnier.....

seriously???!!! noone saw my sign last year??

cstate....what was the sign...and "dial it up next week."  You are the single most deadly poster Cortland has......the game won't be the same unless  you bring it saturday afternoon.....around 6PM...


Not looking past Alfred, but...

By the way...anybody seen the Pepband???

[maxpower]

As I said over on NJAC... I'll be pulling for Cortland this Saterday, but as soon as the final whistle blows it is Cortaca week....

[cstate19]

as promised....+k to max for rooting for for Cortland......and I would love to see the FDC show up with anti cstate19 shirts

[BobNapoleone]

as promised....+k to max for rooting for for Cortland......and I would love to see the FDC show up with anti cstate19 shirts

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[tecmobowler]

"I've heard Vosburgh is legendarily bad at preparing for certain teams."

I've heard similar statements from former Fisher players. Certainly there are more expectations for his program now that they have that facility, compared to when he first arrived.  

[cstate19]

i want to believe its almost to late to create said shirts Mr. N.....there would be major +k for anyone to pull that off..........

[BobNapoleone]

as promised....+k to max for rooting for for Cortland......and I would love to see the FDC show up with anti cstate19 shirts

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I have to believe we will treat ALL Dragons equally that week.....

        Coooooortlaaand....Cortlaaaand.....CORTLAND.....        

[cstate19]

ok ok...i know im gonna hear the dumb state school jokes after this......but how do i make a picture i have in the my pictures folder on my computer to my profile pic? or a larger size pic at the end of my post???

[BobNapoleone]

Have to get focussed.......the Alfred "camp" is eerily quiet this week....