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[scgrad1999]

SC,  Don't blame ya.  That's what fans do.  Good luck v Norwich   

thanks my man

[The Truth 00]

SC better hope this slop doesn't carry into the weekend against norwich. everyone knows they play tough at home. it will be senior day and that field up there will be a mess this time of year. i'd be willing to bet that norwich has been practicing on it all week...because they're dirty like that. get it done SC

[Saxon73]

KaZoo,

That was sort of my point yesterday.  When Fisher offense is on the field scoring so much , the offense of the other team can't score.  Inadvertantly the Fisher defense looks better than it might be.  The question I kinda posed was that if the AU defense performs up to a certain level of quality, how does the AU offense compare with the Fisher defense.  More or less, if you limit Fisher's time of possession you have more opportunity to score.  So, the game might hinge on the AU offense v Fisher defense.

You do realize that SJF ranks pretty much dead last in time of posession?  They have the ball for around 23 minutes a game on offense and is still putting up 40 a game.  That means the oppenents offense has the ball for around 36 minutes a game and they are still only scoring 12 pts on them per game (6.2 if you run a conventional offense)....

I didn't realize what you said.  You have a good point but the E8 site lists Spf'd 1st for TOP at 33:25/game and yes Fisher the lowest at 28:25 not 23.  

Not having seen Fisher play, my main point was wondering if anyone, having seen both teams had an opinion on the AU offense v Fisher's defense.  Yes there are a lot of numbers available and I think we have come upon one not usually discussed.  5 min is the spread of TOP in the E8.  How significant might it be if AU's defense plays at their ability potential?

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c'mon upstate. don't be bitter that he carved your cardinal defense for 7 tds and was the most dominant player on the field that day. regardless, the kid is a qb and is the most important piece of that offense. sorry, but mark robinson couldn't play qb at springfield...it just wouldn't work. just because his system calls for him to throw the ball 3-5 times a game doesn't take away the fact that he is a qb. if sc throws more than 5 times a game, they are either a) losing by more than 2 scores or b) having a lot of 3rd and longs, which in turn would mean they are probably losing. and don't be fooled, that kid can throw the ball relatively well for a guy who probably doesn't practice it much.

i guess i was under the impression that POY's didn't go on all-conference teams but then again, i could be wrong.

Or C) Playing Ithaca

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Fisher has the lowest TOP because they're so explosive. AU won't hold them much under 30 points ... and if they hold them close to 30 they'll be playing a good game.

[theoriginalupstate]

KaZoo,

That was sort of my point yesterday.  When Fisher offense is on the field scoring so much , the offense of the other team can't score.  Inadvertantly the Fisher defense looks better than it might be.  The question I kinda posed was that if the AU defense performs up to a certain level of quality, how does the AU offense compare with the Fisher defense.  More or less, if you limit Fisher's time of possession you have more opportunity to score.  So, the game might hinge on the AU offense v Fisher defense.

You do realize that SJF ranks pretty much dead last in time of posession?  They have the ball for around 23 minutes a game on offense and is still putting up 40 a game.  That means the oppenents offense has the ball for around 36 minutes a game and they are still only scoring 12 pts on them per game (6.2 if you run a conventional offense)....

I didn't realize what you said.  You have a good point but the E8 site lists Spf'd 1st for TOP at 33:25/game and yes Fisher the lowest at 28:25 not 23.  

Not having seen Fisher play, my main point was wondering if anyone, having seen both teams had an opinion on the AU offense v Fisher's defense.  Yes there are a lot of numbers available and I think we have come upon one not usually discussed.  5 min is the spread of TOP in the E8.  How significant might it be if AU's defense plays at their ability potential?

+K for the correction....

I really think its going to be a 21-17 game.....

Both have pretty good defenses, the key will be SJF converting 3rd downs.  AU is only allowing a 28% conversion rate (pretty impressive) and SJF is converting 48%.

SJF has gained 201 (22 per) first downs on the year (114 r/81pass/6 flags) while AU has only allowed 115 (12 per) first downs on the year (51 r/54pass/10 flag).  

Just food for thought...

[The Truth 00]

all i know is that fisher's TOP is low because they are a big play offense...they can score in a hurry. when i saw alfred play this year, i surprised at how well their defense played, considering they lost brady. i think fisher will be favored this weekend but not by much, especially if kramer isn't playing. vosbergh isn't a ball control guy...he thinks his offense can score on anyone at will and they've pretty much shown that this year. obviously if alfred can control the ball and limit the big plays, this game is anyone's to win.

i was also surprised at how well alfred's offense played. they will have their hands full this week with lang and co...also, i think stepnick is back. pound the ball, control the clock, 3-4 yards a pop and keep fisher O off the field. 

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all i know is that fisher's TOP is low because they are a big play offense...they can score in a hurry. when i saw alfred play this year, i surprised at how well their defense played, considering they lost brady. i think fisher will be favored this weekend but not by much, especially if kramer isn't playing. vosbergh isn't a ball control guy...he thinks his offense can score on anyone at will and they've pretty much shown that this year. obviously if alfred can control the ball and limit the big plays, this game is anyone's to win.

i was also surprised at how well alfred's offense played. they will have their hands full this week with lang and co...also, i think stepnick is back. pound the ball, control the clock, 3-4 yards a pop and keep fisher O off the field. 

Kramer is good to go this weekend. You'll be seeing him.

[The Truth 00]

ouch, how did the karma go down?  how does that work?

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ouch, how did the karma go down?  how does that work?

I hesitate to say it's any regular poster on our board... there seems to be some geek lurking & knocking people's karma down when they see a comment they don't like and get sensitive.

After 200+ posts you can give or take away the karma. The guys who are regulars on this E8 board are good guys & typically are very fair about the karma thing... Some people evidently like to slide over and zap our karma.

[The Truth 00]

yea i don't know anything about the karma stuff so whatever. i guess the bye week helped out kramer. that's good news for the fisher offense.

who knows anything about U of R?  could they upset hobart this week and finish 8-2?

[fan of d3]

Upstate...

I realize SC does not run a "conventional offense" but you cant start taking the SC game out of stats because it isnt conventional..its almost like saying it doesnt count..

A sad point...2 weeks ago we were talking about 3 E8 teams makin the show, now if AU wins we might only get SC in..

If NU beats SC and AU wins then only AU goes...

Lot of stuff to be determined.

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yea i don't know anything about the karma stuff so whatever. i guess the bye week helped out kramer. that's good news for the fisher offense.

who knows anything about U of R?  could they upset hobart this week and finish 8-2?

U of R is quietly putting together a solid season... they can be a real tough team to beat. I think Hobart will have their hands full.

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Upstate...

I realize SC does not run a "conventional offense" but you cant start taking the SC game out of stats because it isnt conventional..its almost like saying it doesnt count..

A sad point...2 weeks ago we were talking about 3 E8 teams makin the show, now if AU wins we might only get SC in..

If NU beats SC and AU wins then only AU goes...

Lot of stuff to be determined.

Upstate was just reiterating the fact that vs. a conventional offense the Fisher defense has been outstanding. I don't think he was taking anything away from SP.

[Saxon73]

KaZoo,

That was sort of my point yesterday.  When Fisher offense is on the field scoring so much , the offense of the other team can't score.  Inadvertantly the Fisher defense looks better than it might be.  The question I kinda posed was that if the AU defense performs up to a certain level of quality, how does the AU offense compare with the Fisher defense.  More or less, if you limit Fisher's time of possession you have more opportunity to score.  So, the game might hinge on the AU offense v Fisher defense.

You do realize that SJF ranks pretty much dead last in time of posession?  They have the ball for around 23 minutes a game on offense and is still putting up 40 a game.  That means the oppenents offense has the ball for around 36 minutes a game and they are still only scoring 12 pts on them per game (6.2 if you run a conventional offense)....

I didn't realize what you said.  You have a good point but the E8 site lists Spf'd 1st for TOP at 33:25/game and yes Fisher the lowest at 28:25 not 23.  

Not having seen Fisher play, my main point was wondering if anyone, having seen both teams had an opinion on the AU offense v Fisher's defense.  Yes there are a lot of numbers available and I think we have come upon one not usually discussed.  5 min is the spread of TOP in the E8.  How significant might it be if AU's defense plays at their ability potential?

+K for the correction....

I really think its going to be a 21-17 game.....

Both have pretty good defenses, the key will be SJF converting 3rd downs.  AU is only allowing a 28% conversion rate (pretty impressive) and SJF is converting 48%.

SJF has gained 201 (22 per) first downs on the year (114 r/81pass/6 flags) while AU has only allowed 115 (12 per) first downs on the year (51 r/54pass/10 flag).  

Just food for thought...

I think we're getting on the same page.  Although AU is ranked 1st in overall defense, it is only based on yardage.  I don't think this tells the whole story for defense.  Some of the other categories can shed light and make that rating higher or lower.  Stuff like interceptions, punt abilities (avg can be missleading) etc.  Looking forward to a great game.