FB: Empire 8

[AUPepBand]

Not to rehash yesterday but this is the first chance I've had to post.  Fisher kicked our butts.  No doubt about it.  Best of luck in the playoffs.  I would be shocked if you don't make it. 

Go Saxons!!!!!!!!!!

My first time online since Friday... Congratulations and best of luck to St. John Fisher. If the Cardinals hit like that through the NCAAs, they should go deep. All I can say is they were putting the hits on our Saxons much like AU did to them in 2005.

Saxons were making a game of it. Keeley's 59-yard TD pass to Gibbins would have tied the game at 7-7....signaled a TD and with no flags on the field, AU Pep Band had already played through the fight song, had sung the fight song and stopped to await the PAT to play through it again when the AU offense was called back out onto the field with the ball placed on the 4-yard-line. No explanation. PA announcer couldn't explain it. Halftime word was a ref had blown an "inadvertent whistle." Offense was called back onto the field and 6 points was taken off the scoreboard. Granted, Fisher D stopped AU, but putting your offense in that position is like telling a guy who just sprinted and won the 100 meters that it didn't count and he'd have to run it again. That's the kind of "hometown refs" we have grown accustomed to in Alfred. I share that info not as a complaint because Fisher clearly dominated. That experience is cited merely because of the discussion earlier this week about "hometown refs."

Again, congrats to the Cardinals....carry the E8 name deep into the playoffs. Beat Union!

ON SAXON WARRIORS!!

[boobyhasgameyo]

John,

Ithaca averaged 29.4 ppg on offense
    -Scored 10 against Fisher

Hartwick averaged 25.7
    -Scored 16 against Fisher

Alfred averaged 25.7
    -Scored 13 against Fisher

Mount Ida averaged 16.7
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

Springfield averaged 35.8
    -Scored 55 against Fisher

Norwich averaged 16.3 ppg
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

U of R averaged 27.8 ppg
    -Scored 10 against Fisher (24 against Union)

Utica averaged 10.2 ppg (ouch)
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

Brockport averaged 18.2 ppg
    -Scored 20 against Fisher

Kings averaged 16.4 ppg
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

So total for the season Fisher opponents scored on average 22.22 points per game but Fisher's defense allowed 12.4 ppg

Union is averaging 26.7 points per game (less than Ithaca and U of R, about the same as Alfred)


Do you get what I am saying? Unless they run an option offense that Fisher has yet to encounter this year which they don't, I hightly doubt the game will be a shootout in the fashion that last year's Ithaca vs. Union game was.  Union going into the 30's and 40's and tripling Fisher's season average on D is doubtful.    

Numbers don't lie my brotha

[Tags]

I agree with that. Everyone thought Keeley was going to light up Fisher pretty good to & that didn't happen.

Union will be tough no doubt, but I'm not seeing a shootout in the least bit.

[gobombers15]

John,

Ithaca averaged 29.4 ppg on offense
    -Scored 10 against Fisher

Hartwick averaged 25.7
    -Scored 16 against Fisher

Alfred averaged 25.7
    -Scored 13 against Fisher

Mount Ida averaged 16.7
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

Springfield averaged 35.8
    -Scored 55 against Fisher

Norwich averaged 16.3 ppg
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

U of R averaged 27.8 ppg
    -Scored 10 against Fisher (24 against Union)

Utica averaged 10.2 ppg (ouch)
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

Brockport averaged 18.2 ppg
    -Scored 20 against Fisher

Kings averaged 16.4 ppg
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

So total for the season Fisher opponents scored on average 22.22 points per game but Fisher's defense allowed 12.4 ppg

Union is averaging 26.7 points per game (less than Ithaca and U of R, about the same as Alfred)


Do you get what I am saying? Unless they run an option offense that Fisher has yet to encounter this year which they don't, I hightly doubt the game will be a shootout in the fashion that last year's Ithaca vs. Union game was.  Union going into the 30's and 40's and tripling Fisher's season average on D is doubtful.    

Numbers don't lie my brotha

Those 26.4 ppg were without their All-American WR who just returned this past week. It will be a high-scoring game on the fast track at Fisher (barring horrendous weather).

[boobyhasgameyo]

I thought he returned about 3 weeks ago, and they put up 19 this past week at RPI.  I'm not saying Fisher will hold them to 10 or 14 points, I just don't think it will reach into the 40's

[Reno Hightower]

Union is just so up and down. Who knows with them!

[BobNapoleone]

John,

Ithaca averaged 29.4 ppg on offense
    -Scored 10 against Fisher

Hartwick averaged 25.7
    -Scored 16 against Fisher

Alfred averaged 25.7
    -Scored 13 against Fisher

Mount Ida averaged 16.7
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

Springfield averaged 35.8
    -Scored 55 against Fisher

Norwich averaged 16.3 ppg
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

U of R averaged 27.8 ppg
    -Scored 10 against Fisher (24 against Union)

Utica averaged 10.2 ppg (ouch)
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

Brockport averaged 18.2 ppg
    -Scored 20 against Fisher

Kings averaged 16.4 ppg
    -Scored 0 against Fisher

So total for the season Fisher opponents scored on average 22.22 points per game but Fisher's defense allowed 12.4 ppg

Union is averaging 26.7 points per game (less than Ithaca and U of R, about the same as Alfred)


Do you get what I am saying? Unless they run an option offense that Fisher has yet to encounter this year which they don't, I hightly doubt the game will be a shootout in the fashion that last year's Ithaca vs. Union game was.  Union going into the 30's and 40's and tripling Fisher's season average on D is doubtful.    

Numbers don't lie my brotha

booby...I'm with you "brotha"...

But with Angiletta back, I think this Union squad is much different than what you guys have seen all year....or will see on film.....

Tell Robby, he's gotta control the ball...not score at will...I agree, somebody said this could be a horse race...... Stepnick and Lang have to make the difference in this game....

[fan of d3]

"I love that no one gives SC any respect, we have beaten both of those teams mind you. There tough but we all know, but so is SC"

You guys need to relax - I think everyone on here respects SC's offense.

Want to know what I love? I love that SC posters think that their offense can post another 40+ point game vs. Fisher.

Fisher beat Ithaca, who beat you handily... The whole "we already beat them" argument is tossed out the window at this point in the year.

Ok Tags... just startin to catch up..

Question one.  If the whole "we already ebat them" argument is tossed out, then who cares if fisher beat IC who Beat SC who beat SJF...ITS TOSSED OUT.

2nd.  I'm not saying sc will put up 55 again...(that is if you make it past union) but why wouldnt springfield put up 40 again on the rug? Have the cardinals dramatically changed on defense...

3rd.  If I were Fisher and I did play SC i would be worried that old hickory is back because when I say he is a load to tackle, boy oh boy is he a load..

[boobyhasgameyo]

Tackling SC wasn't the issue except for a few plays in which DB's really really bit on fakes, that shouldn't happen now that Stepnick and Piz are joining Lang.  Heard Norton might be back too, so there is our starting safety.  So I don't think you guys would put up 50 against us again (that is if you make it past Curry)

[fan of d3]

I like the suddle dig (if you make it past curry)..

But, I hope you do make it past union, mainly just because I think they are better than you guys and I'd rather play you again then them. 

If we beat you again, would that put to rest the "who is better" because u have all your players.  Or if you were to win, would it nullify our win from before because you were "down"

[maxpower]

The SC bandwagon is truckin' past.... hope it slows down enough for me to jump on....

[boobyhasgameyo]

Think they are better eh? Is that because they give up more points a game? Score less? Lose more games? Or because Fisher had a crap performance against your team which you somehow twisted into your head that is the way Fisher will play against you every time?

[maxpower]

I like the suddle dig

I'm not one to make fun of spelling on a message board (yes I am) but please tell me that was a joke.

[AC @ IC]

First chance I've had to post since Cortaca. It was a tremendous game. Both teams played very well. HOWEVER, Ithaca got hosed in overtime. They stripped the ball while the Cortland RB was standing up, and they called him down by contact. Then a very good kick from 39 yards in the rain ends the game.

If IC had merely stuffed him at the 21, and the kicker booted it in, fine. But he should've never had the chance. That was an absolutely terrible call.

IC guy - I wasn't at the game so I have no real frame of reference here but I believe the other Bomber posters would agree that even if that was a bad call, they wouldn't use the refs for an excuse. There were 4 full qtrs for your guys to pull it out.

Sounds like Cortland just got the better of you on that day is all.

Tags- great post. I've always said that if you're saying the refs blew a game, your team didn't do what it could have to win. There are very, VERY few games where a team does all it can to win but the refs blow it. I don't know if I've ever seen one. (Tags I know you as a Red Sox 1999 ALCS fan will agree with me.) What about Juvan overthrowing everyone but Paul Bunyan in the first? What about the complete shutdown of Donovan in the second half? The refs did not blow the game for IC. IC didn't take care of business, just like they didn't against Alfred. It's a tough pill to swallow, but them's the breaks.

IC PA guy- I think if you want to post on this board, you should change your handle. Whether or not you just repeat what is happening on the field, if you are in that press box you are some sort of journalist. And a journalist should not be on here bitching about the refs, ESPECIALLY if he works for IC. This is just my opinion. You could be like JT, and be a journalist when you want to sound smart and a fan when you want to spout off, but most reasonable people don't respect that kind of hypocrisy. Again, just my opinion.

I respect your opinion, now here's mine. Yes, there were spots where IC just didn't convert. To name a few: Juvan overthrowing Heenahan on the deep ball in the 1st quarter, not shutting down Cortland before they scored their last TD, allowing some sizable plays through the air to Cortland's third (and sometime fourth) string QB. But I did NOT say that they got hosed in any other part of the game than overtime. Mistakes happen.

In regards to the name thing: I won't change it. Here's why. I consider myself an objective person. Just because I'm affiliated with an institution doesn't automatically make me a homer. Find out for yourself as I post more often on the forums. If you agree, drop the issue. If you don't, just don't read my posts. Simple as that.

[maxpower]

First chance I've had to post since Cortaca. It was a tremendous game. Both teams played very well. HOWEVER, Ithaca got hosed in overtime. They stripped the ball while the Cortland RB was standing up, and they called him down by contact. Then a very good kick from 39 yards in the rain ends the game.

If IC had merely stuffed him at the 21, and the kicker booted it in, fine. But he should've never had the chance. That was an absolutely terrible call.

IC guy - I wasn't at the game so I have no real frame of reference here but I believe the other Bomber posters would agree that even if that was a bad call, they wouldn't use the refs for an excuse. There were 4 full qtrs for your guys to pull it out.

Sounds like Cortland just got the better of you on that day is all.

Tags- great post. I've always said that if you're saying the refs blew a game, your team didn't do what it could have to win. There are very, VERY few games where a team does all it can to win but the refs blow it. I don't know if I've ever seen one. (Tags I know you as a Red Sox 1999 ALCS fan will agree with me.) What about Juvan overthrowing everyone but Paul Bunyan in the first? What about the complete shutdown of Donovan in the second half? The refs did not blow the game for IC. IC didn't take care of business, just like they didn't against Alfred. It's a tough pill to swallow, but them's the breaks.

IC PA guy- I think if you want to post on this board, you should change your handle. Whether or not you just repeat what is happening on the field, if you are in that press box you are some sort of journalist. And a journalist should not be on here bitching about the refs, ESPECIALLY if he works for IC. This is just my opinion. You could be like JT, and be a journalist when you want to sound smart and a fan when you want to spout off, but most reasonable people don't respect that kind of hypocrisy. Again, just my opinion.

I respect your opinion, now here's mine. Yes, there were spots where IC just didn't convert. To name a few: Juvan overthrowing Heenahan on the deep ball in the 1st quarter, not shutting down Cortland before they scored their last TD, allowing some sizable plays through the air to Cortland's third (and sometime fourth) string QB. But I did NOT say that they got hosed in any other part of the game than overtime. Mistakes happen.

In regards to the name thing: I won't change it. Here's why. I consider myself an objective person. Just because I'm affiliated with an institution doesn't automatically make me a homer. Find out for yourself as I post more often on the forums. If you agree, drop the issue. If you don't, just don't read my posts. Simple as that.

Dude you came on here bitching about the refs, and you're not a homer? There's a difference between being objective and not saying ANYTHING subjective because you represent an objective post (PA guy), and you have already failed at that with your post earlier today. Go read IC's sports releases, see how many times they even mention a questionable call (hint: 0). If you really consider yourself to be a responsible member of the team that presents IC football, you'll do like the rest of us (Joseqviper, myself, john mcgraw, realistic, cazbombers) and wait til you get out of the press box before becoming a fan. Can't (publicly) be both, the posts of fan and journalist are mutually exclusive. Others can tell you what happens if you say something on here the IC Athletic department doesn't agree with and they know who you are.... you will get a world class dressing down.