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[superman57]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061205/SPORTS09/612060334/1007/SPORTS

[fisheralum91]

oops

[Frank Rossi]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061205/SPORTS09/612060334/1007/SPORTS

It's short enough to post -- from The Democrat and Chronicle in Rochester, NY -- To which I stated on the LLPP, "Computer error?!  Is that what they call it these days?":


SUNY-Brockport forfeits games: Ineligible player


Jim Mandelaro
Staff writer


December 5, 2006 8:46 am — The SUNY-Brockport football team must forfeit three victories for using a player who was not enrolled at the college, the NCAA ruled this week.

Wide receiver Shannon Brinson, a former Spencerport High star, played in nine games and started in six for the Golden Eagles, who finished 4-6. Brockport athletic director Lin Case blamed the oversight on a computer error.
Case said Brinson, who would have been a senior, was dismissed from the team prior to the Golden Eagles' season finale win over Buffalo State.

That win will stand, but three victories achieved with Brinson in uniform will be forfeited, dropping Brockport's record to 1-9.

[Frank Rossi]

In fact, I'm going to blame my bad call on the SJF/Rowan score on a computer error.  Damned CPU forgot to multiply Rowan's score by "0" -- When will these things learn?

[skunks_sidekick]

Hey guys....just a little info on/about Garcon from one fan's opinion.  This kid is the total package.  He has great hands, amazing speed, incredible separation ability, and probably is best running after the catch.  Having said all that.....he is a ferocious downfield blocker.  That has been the most surprising attribute to a lot of us watching Mount.  Kmic can thank Garcon for many of his long runs due to Garcon NOT giving up on the block even way downfield. 

Word is (and no this did not come from some "official scout source"), is his blocking might be the difference in helping him get a serious look by the NFL. 

Of course, we have to THROW the ball for him to catch passes.  I am guessing SJF just might make us do that. 

[Frank Rossi]

Hey guys....just a little info on/about Garcon from one fan's opinion.  This kid is the total package.  He has great hands, amazing speed, incredible separation ability, and probably is best running after the catch.  Having said all that.....he is a ferocious downfield blocker.  That has been the most surprising attribute to a lot of us watching Mount.  Kmic can thank Garcon for many of his long runs due to Garcon NOT giving up on the block even way downfield. 

Word is (and no this did not come from some "official scout source"), is his blocking might be the difference in helping him get a serious look by the NFL. 

Of course, we have to THROW the ball for him to catch passes.  I am guessing SJF just might make us do that. 

With SJF's potent 4-4 front, I'd say Mt. Union would be wise to intersperse some passing into their script.

[OU#25]

Hey guys....just a little info on/about Garcon from one fan's opinion.  This kid is the total package.  He has great hands, amazing speed, incredible separation ability, and probably is best running after the catch.  Having said all that.....he is a ferocious downfield blocker.  That has been the most surprising attribute to a lot of us watching Mount.  Kmic can thank Garcon for many of his long runs due to Garcon NOT giving up on the block even way downfield. 

Word is (and no this did not come from some "official scout source"), is his blocking might be the difference in helping him get a serious look by the NFL. 

Of course, we have to THROW the ball for him to catch passes.  I am guessing SJF just might make us do that. 

With SJF's potent 4-4 front, I'd say Mt. Union would be wise to intersperse some passing into their script.

I'm sensing that there might be a misconception about the Mount Union offense on this board.  It appears that some seem to think that Mount's offense is one dimensional.  Mount leads the nation in total offense and in total scoring.  That is done with a BALANCED attack.  Make no mistake...I would think using the term "situational offense" is better suited to describe Mount this season.  They could gameplan to rush or pass individually for over 300 yards a game.  It's a week to week decision.

[Frank Rossi]

Hey guys....just a little info on/about Garcon from one fan's opinion.  This kid is the total package.  He has great hands, amazing speed, incredible separation ability, and probably is best running after the catch.  Having said all that.....he is a ferocious downfield blocker.  That has been the most surprising attribute to a lot of us watching Mount.  Kmic can thank Garcon for many of his long runs due to Garcon NOT giving up on the block even way downfield. 

Word is (and no this did not come from some "official scout source"), is his blocking might be the difference in helping him get a serious look by the NFL. 

Of course, we have to THROW the ball for him to catch passes.  I am guessing SJF just might make us do that. 

With SJF's potent 4-4 front, I'd say Mt. Union would be wise to intersperse some passing into their script.

I'm sensing that there might be a misconception about the Mount Union offense on this board.  It appears that some seem to think that Mount's offense is one dimensional.  Mount leads the nation in total offense and in total scoring.  That is done with a BALANCED attack.  Make no mistake...I would think using the term "situational offense" is better suited to describe Mount this season.  They could gameplan to rush or pass individually for over 300 yards a game.  It's a week to week decision.

I can only speak to SJF really since I've seen two games and listened to one this season -- and only know generalities about Mt. Union and have watched prior year Stagg Bowls.  So my statement is more focused on the idea of SJF's strengths than Mt. Union's tendencies.  I'd also be remiss if I didn't state that after finding a little discomfort being placed back in the middle of the secondary, Stepnick for SJF seems to be doing quite well.  So, SJF's defense is very balanced. 

I just call attention to the four-man front since the effective use of it (the last three games as proof, although Union abandoned the run early because of defensive success by SJF and Arcidiacono's inability to go 100%, so I'd use the last two games as the best proof) can really force the pass in two out of the three downs instead of one out of the three downs (you won't get 3 yards on each carry automatically -- taking some steam out of short pass plays from the shotgun since you might need 8 or 9 yards from a pass for first down).  Thus, SJF forces the gamble by offenses to throw to WRs for the most success (something Springfield refused to do and something Rowan had trouble doing with SJF's improved secondary play and the wind hurting the deeper passes).

Go ahead SJFers, pick apart my feeble analysis. :-)

[fisheralum91]

I think Rowan proved what happens when you try to pass on Stepnick!

[theaprof]

No disrespect intended--but I doubt very much that SJF will be able to shut down our running game--Capital, with a very strong defense felt like they did well to hold Kmic to 163 yards.  Their coach (Collins) stated that since Kmic had no runs of more than 15 yds that his defense had contained him well.

Holding Kmic to 163 yds rushing is containing him?

Yup, he's that good. That's why he's the workhorse and gets most of the touches.

Oh, and if you do contain him keep in mind that there are a few more on our team that can run the ball as well:

RUSHING         GP    Att  Gain   Loss  Net  Avg   TD  Long  Avg/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nate Kmic          13  269 1920  37  1883  7.0  23   80    144.8
Justin Wray        12   47  456    7    449    9.6   5    41     37.4
Matthew Barge   12   60  428   13   415    6.9   0    35     34.6
Greg Micheli       13   79  437   43   394    5.0   8     33     30.3
T. Morring          13   40  283    0    283    7.1   3     38     21.8

[superman57]

fisher goes by a bend but not break defense...holding Kmic to 110-120 yards but stopping the whole offense and forcing turnovers is the key to the offense

[chris7sarge]

First let me say this: Garcon is a complete jerk.  Played him twice and hated him twice.  I considered myself an ass on the field and will readily admit it.  But he was outta control and even getting in fights with his own teammates.  I dont know if he's still like that, but then he was costing his team just as much as helping them.

That said, he is also head and shoulders above the D3 level when it comes to talent.  The kid is nasty.  His speed is matched by few and he has great hands and big play ability.  Someone mentioned earlier that SJF's run defense could force MU into long 3rd downs and therefore nullify any short passing game.  That's completely irrelevant.  Garcon demands an extra 2-3 yard cushion in any defense including 2 or 3 deep because of his speed and he still presses a defensive back's toes.  He proved he could tear up the E8 as a freshman and I'm nervous to see what he can do now.

Hopefully SJF can put together time consuming drives to keep the MU off the field.  I really wanna see Fisher in the Stagg.  I only live 2 and a half hours away.

[Frank Rossi]

No disrespect intended--but I doubt very much that SJF will be able to shut down our running game--Capital, with a very strong defense felt like they did well to hold Kmic to 163 yards.  Their coach (Collins) stated that since Kmic had no runs of more than 15 yds that his defense had contained him well.

Holding Kmic to 163 yds rushing is containing him?

Yup, he's that good. That's why he's the workhorse and gets most of the touches.

Oh, and if you do contain him keep in mind that there are a few more on our team that can run the ball as well:

RUSHING         GP    Att  Gain   Loss  Net  Avg   TD  Long  Avg/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nate Kmic          13  269 1920  37  1883  7.0  23   80    144.8
Justin Wray        12   47  456    7    449    9.6   5    41     37.4
Matthew Barge   12   60  428   13   415    6.9   0    35     34.6
Greg Micheli       13   79  437   43   394    5.0   8     33     30.3
T. Morring          13   40  283    0    283    7.1   3     38     21.8

No disrespect taken - I've seen that chart touted on the OAC Board as well, so it's getting some mileage.   However, the question that isn't answered by the chart is this:  how many 4-4 defenses, 4-3 defenses, and 3-4 defenses has Mount Union face this year?  If those numbers were achieved with 8 in the box as much as they'll experience it Saturday, then your point has more merit.  If not, then it's possible that the running game could be somewhat muted if SJF's defensive line can penetrate.  Granted, this could leave open the toss sweep -- which will require SJF to show higher versatility in the secondary to come up and on the outside linebackers to shut off the gaps to the sidelines. 

Similarly, here there is no disrespect meant to Mt. Union.  I just don't know the answer re: defenses they've faced this season.  My point earlier solely was focused on the idea that SJF stacks the line, making runs up the middle very tough (ask Rowan).  Maybe Mt. Union penetrates that, maybe not.  However, it will be important in the grand scheme of the game.

[amonachino]

How or why did SJF defense give up 55 pts. to Springfield?  This is a weakness..no 

[AUPepBand]

First let me say this: Garcon is a complete jerk.  Played him twice and hated him twice.  I considered myself an ass on the field and will readily admit it.  But he was outta control and even getting in fights with his own teammates.  I dont know if he's still like that, but then he was costing his team just as much as helping them.

That said, he is also head and shoulders above the D3 level when it comes to talent.  The kid is nasty.  His speed is matched by few and he has great hands and big play ability.  Someone mentioned earlier that SJF's run defense could force MU into long 3rd downs and therefore nullify any short passing game.  That's completely irrelevant.  Garcon demands an extra 2-3 yard cushion in any defense including 2 or 3 deep because of his speed and he still presses a defensive back's toes.  He proved he could tear up the E8 as a freshman and I'm nervous to see what he can do now.

Hopefully SJF can put together time consuming drives to keep the MU off the field.  I really wanna see Fisher in the Stagg.  I only live 2 and a half hours away.

Glad to see you posting again, Sarge. I had heard similar about Garcon. He's seen Fisher before....and Fisher will be happy to see him again!