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It is www.d3football.com not www.d3.com, right Pat?

Yes. Why the newspaper columnist referred to D3.com instead of D3football.com is beyond me.

Probably forgot to check the FAQs before writing the story...

Now that's funny ... +k

[AUPepBand]

It is www.d3football.com not www.d3.com, right Pat?

Yes. Why the newspaper columnist referred to D3.com instead of D3football.com is beyond me.

Probably forgot to check the FAQs before writing the story...

I'd like to nominate Joseqviper for E8 Poster with the Best Sense of Humor. Any seconds? +k to Jose and Tags!

Pat: When is the D3.com, oops, D3football.com Poster Awards Show? And what do they call the awards?

At AU, they have an annual spring awards show during which the Student Activities Division recognizes outstanding contributions to campus life in various categories. AU Pep Band has been nominated (but never a winner) for organization with campus spirit. They call the awards the "Alfies."

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They'll use Reile as a WR in the MUC game, as Nowicki broke his leg. I don't see why they didn't get him on the field more this year to utilize his speed this way anyway... Or returning punts... His hands are fine. - - -  All they could come up with to get Reile the ball was split carries with an All-American back? Could put this under Jose's aforementioned list.

I'm sure Vos & Co. will now have Robinson split time w/ Hansen, but on the off chance they don't, giving him 30+ carries this game would be in their best interest.

Being political and / or getting too cute isn't going to cut it vs. this defense.

[forloveofthegame]

Wow, the boards have been full of action.  Love to see it.
Also gotta love to see that the Fisher/Norwich game of years back still raises the hairs on so many different levels.  Talk about sore spot!  I love it.

Now to get into the whole coverage issue with Garcon.  There was talk of putting Stepnick on him in single coverage.  As a former wide receiver I can tell you this, you cannot play man with no help on anyone that is remotely decent (Garcon is more than decent).  Unless you are Deion Sanders, you cant stay with them.  Any RUNNING BACK can get open 85% of the time versus a corner if it is a 1 on 1 drill.

As for the help over the top with a safety...ya thats what most defenses are at all times.  He seems to be doing alright against them.  Thats not double coverage, its zone.  It is not conceptually sound to double cover anyone and still be able to account for every other potential receiver (including backs and te's) and have a hint of run support (unless we're talking 3rd and 25).  There just isnt a defense out there that uses 12 men. 

For example, picture in your head Stepnick covering Garcon with another man doubling him.  Are you then expecting a backer to be able to run with  a WR on a go route?  There will always be a zone left open or a mismatch able to be exploited.
Now you can cheat with the safety over the top, but i'm guessing the starting wr's on Mount are all adequate.  This means that flooding any zone with a multitude of receivers causes big problems if they are any good.

I'm not saying that Garcon is a god.  Not by any means.  However, the logic that some are using on this forum, sounds like something that wouldnt work on Madden.

so are you saying there is no way to stop a good receiver??

if you look at garcons' stats in MUC's two close games he didn't have huge numbers. last week against capital he only had 4 cathces for 22 yds and against baldwin wallace he only had 3 cathces for 57 yds...albeit one of the catches was a 48 yard td.

it seems that when MUC finds itself in a tight game they totally abandon this amazing receiver. I'm sure alot of it has to do with their excellent running attack but after only being up 7-0 against BW garcon only had 2 catches for 9 yds.

Maybe some help from BW and Cap fans so they can enlighten us to how they controlled this d3 athlete who can only be stopped by Neon Deion.

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Wow, the boards have been full of action.  Love to see it.
Also gotta love to see that the Fisher/Norwich game of years back still raises the hairs on so many different levels.  Talk about sore spot!  I love it.

Now to get into the whole coverage issue with Garcon.  There was talk of putting Stepnick on him in single coverage.  As a former wide receiver I can tell you this, you cannot play man with no help on anyone that is remotely decent (Garcon is more than decent).  Unless you are Deion Sanders, you cant stay with them.  Any RUNNING BACK can get open 85% of the time versus a corner if it is a 1 on 1 drill.

As for the help over the top with a safety...ya thats what most defenses are at all times.  He seems to be doing alright against them.  Thats not double coverage, its zone.  It is not conceptually sound to double cover anyone and still be able to account for every other potential receiver (including backs and te's) and have a hint of run support (unless we're talking 3rd and 25).  There just isnt a defense out there that uses 12 men.  

For example, picture in your head Stepnick covering Garcon with another man doubling him.  Are you then expecting a backer to be able to run with  a WR on a go route?  There will always be a zone left open or a mismatch able to be exploited.
Now you can cheat with the safety over the top, but i'm guessing the starting wr's on Mount are all adequate.  This means that flooding any zone with a multitude of receivers causes big problems if they are any good.

I'm not saying that Garcon is a god.  Not by any means.  However, the logic that some are using on this forum, sounds like something that wouldnt work on Madden.

You know what I never understood about that Fisher-Norwich game?  How is the whole loss pinned on Garcon?  I mean yeah, the guy is great, but how many other games did Norwich win that year?  IC drummed Norwich.  I am sure Garcon was good against us but, the rest of the players were still terrible.  (ATTENTION CROTCHETY OLD NORWICH EMPLOYEES I AM SURE THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE I AM JUST SAYING THEY WERE BAD FOOTBALL PLAYERS. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM COMMENT).

Norwich went 7-3 in the regular season, 7-4 after losing (for the second time) at Alfred in an ECAC Bowl. First loss at Merrill was by a 36-17 margin, the ECAC game was 35-14.

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and what my point was is that if MUC find's itself in a tight game and somehow fisher is slowing down their vaunted running attack they just might find thereselves in an unchartered territory....that is having to throw the ball when it really matters.

An interesting theory to be sure but, I think you might be grasping at straws a bit.  Their top two QBs have thrown for 2400 yards, 26 TDs, and only 4 INTs.  It's not like their Springfield.  They can pitch it around the lot.

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and what my point was is that if MUC find's itself in a tight game and somehow fisher is slowing down their vaunted running attack they just might find themselves in an unchartered territory....that is having to throw the ball when it really matters.

[forloveofthegame]

and what my point was is that if MUC find's itself in a tight game and somehow fisher is slowing down their vaunted running attack they just might find thereselves in an unchartered territory....that is having to throw the ball when it really matters.

An interesting theory to be sure but, I think you might be grasping at straws a bit.  Their top two QBs have thrown for 2400 yards, 26 TDs, and only 4 INTs.  It's not like their Springfield.  They can pitch it around the lot.

i'm not taking any credit away from their passing game....i'm sure they have all the talent in the world...i was just saying that they havent had to throw ball in any tight games or when trailing.

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and what my point was is that if MUC find's itself in a tight game and somehow fisher is slowing down their vaunted running attack they just might find thereselves in an unchartered territory....that is having to throw the ball when it really matters.

An interesting theory to be sure but, I think you might be grasping at straws a bit.  Their top two QBs have thrown for 2400 yards, 26 TDs, and only 4 INTs.  It's not like their Springfield.  They can pitch it around the lot.

i'm not taking any credit away from their passing game....i'm sure they have all the talent in the world...i was just saying that they havent had to throw ball in any tight games or when trailing.

I am not going to read the play-by-play from their games but I think that is probably not true.  MUC guys, help us out? 

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they've had close games (relatively) against ONU, and Capital at least.

Also - THEY HAVE WON 4 OF THE LAST 6 STAGG BOWLS.

Guys, I want to see SJF win, but come on.

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I know you Fisher guys want to run straight to "well, why even show up and play the game if MUC is so good" but, realistic raises a really good point.  I haven't seen a really good reason Fisher will win this game yet.  I think there are some things they can do but, I wouldn't pick them.

EDIT: Also, I think it is fair to assume that any team making it to the Final Four has seen enough this season so as not to find an uncomfortable situation.

[forloveofthegame]

they've had close games (relatively) against ONU, and Capital at least.

Also - THEY HAVE WON 4 OF THE LAST 6 STAGG BOWLS.

Guys, I want to see SJF win, but come on.

So do I and I assume most E8 guys, and all the fisher fans do as well. Like I read in a previous post...should we not even send the team and just cancel the bus?

No matter what the odds were when did doubt and pessimism ever lead to success??

[realistic]

thank you.

I understand and am all for hoping/wanting SJF to win....but saying things about "putting MUC into a situation they are uncomfortable in/haven't seen before" is crazy.

Kheres (sp) and the team have seen it all...period.

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No matter what the odds were when did doubt and pessimism ever lead to success??

Well....I was saying that I am all for wanting your team to win and thinking you have a chance.  I was saying that to those who were speaking of putting MUC into a situation where they are uncomfortable.  I could be wrong but not too many teams have done that in the past (I would say St Johns, and then would need some help on any others).

Furthermore....as much as we all love this board, I am pretty sure every one of us can be really optimistic or really pessimistic and never have one ounce on influence on the actual outcome of the game....

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so are you saying there is no way to stop a good receiver??

if you look at garcons' stats in MUC's two close games he didn't have huge numbers. last week against capital he only had 4 cathces for 22 yds and against baldwin wallace he only had 3 cathces for 57 yds...albeit one of the catches was a 48 yard td.

it seems that when MUC finds itself in a tight game they totally abandon this amazing receiver. I'm sure alot of it has to do with their excellent running attack but after only being up 7-0 against BW garcon only had 2 catches for 9 yds.

Maybe some help from BW and Cap fans so they can enlighten us to how they controlled this d3 athlete who can only be stopped by Neon Deion.

Absolutely not.  I'm saying first and foremost that people really need to stop and think about what they're saying before they start mentioning "double covering" Garcon.  There is no such thing as double coverage.  You hear it alot when a QB throws into a crowd but the truth of the matter is there is no such thing as "double covering" a single receiver at the start of a play.  There is such a thing as covering zones, squeezing zones, playing man, and playing a man/zone combo making it harder for QB's to decipher what type of defense they are seeing.  Furthermore, there are of course pourly thrown balls and poor QB's that throw into crowds.  My point was not that Garcon was a god.  It was more that people don't know the intricacys of defenses and the strategies in defenses when they just throw something out there like "double coverage" or  "single coverage with safety help".  Its as if no coach has ever had the light bulb go off on a wednesday morning meeting and say "Hey! Why don't we just double cover (insert name, TO, Moss, etc., here) or go one on one with safety help!"  It's a little more complicated than that.

As to how MU uses him, I have no idea.  I do know however that he torched the majority of the E8 league his freshman year (including Fisher, and Alfred from 1st hand experience).

As for Deion, take a look at any college or NFL game this week.  Tell me how many times you see a defense without some sort of safety behind a corner.  If you do see that, then is there help from somewhere else?  Cover 4?

I'm saying dont make a ridiculous monday morning coaching analysis if you have no idea what you're talking about.

On the other hand, I want to see Fisher win and think that they definately could win.  I see the game within 10 points EITHER way.  This is probably why I have a gambling problem and not a gambling business, but that is niether here nor there.