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[realistic]

Frank....that rule applies to D-I athletes.

I believe athletes can transfer from D-III to D-III with no penalty.  Also they can transfer down (D-I to D-III) without penalty.

[realistic]

is this is first year playing for MUC because he beat fisher in 04 so did he play on last years ncaa team...I don't think there is the sit out rule for d3

You might be right, Superman -- Found this in the archives:

http://www.d3football.com/features.php?feature=84

Seems to hint that he would've had to sit out if he went to Division I -- I think the rule should apply to all divisons, to be honest.

nah....it would keep players in a situation that they did not enjoy.  I hear a lot of players transer from D-II to D-III in the midwest because they didn't like the heavy focus of football over life and academics at those schools.  If there was a penalty, then a lot of those kids would stay in a bad situation...

[Pat Coleman]

Seems to hint that he would've had to sit out if he went to Division I -- I think the rule should apply to all divisons, to be honest.

Why would you punish a non-scholarship kid like that? There's no need. We want them to graduate and go on to be productive members of society. Don't make them wait around -- paying full tuition for an extra year -- just to satisfy the NCAA's rule.

A couple of conferences have this rule for transferring within the conference after a certain time but that's it.

[superman57]

wow all this talk after my joke post or was it really a joke

[Frank Rossi]

is this is first year playing for MUC because he beat fisher in 04 so did he play on last years ncaa team...I don't think there is the sit out rule for d3

You might be right, Superman -- Found this in the archives:

http://www.d3football.com/features.php?feature=84

Seems to hint that he would've had to sit out if he went to Division I -- I think the rule should apply to all divisons, to be honest.

nah....it would keep players in a situation that they did not enjoy.  I hear a lot of players transer from D-II to D-III in the midwest because they didn't like the heavy focus of football over life and academics at those schools.  If there was a penalty, then a lot of those kids would stay in a bad situation...

Well, now, this brings up the interesting question:  do you go to college for football or for the education when you're in Division 3?  There's nothing preventing the student-athlete from leaving the "bad situation" -- you sit out for one year, but can still practice while you focus on your education in the new environment for that year.  

[realistic]

it absolutly would keep them from transfering.

If the situation wasn't "bad" but wasn't right for that player, then not playing ball for a year could keep them in a situation that they don't enjoy if it was that important to them.

What if they are transfering for academic reasons and not football reasons but still want to play ball....

It would punish kids who aren't getting anything for playing football.  And a Pat just said, it makes them pay for an extra year.

[Frank Rossi]

it absolutly would keep them from transfering.

If the situation wasn't "bad" but wasn't right for that player, then not playing ball for a year could keep them in a situation that they don't enjoy if it was that important to them.

What if they are transfering for academic reasons and not football reasons but still want to play ball....

It would punish kids who aren't getting anything for playing football.  And a Pat just said, it makes them pay for an extra year.

While I understand your points, I gotta say that his attitude in Mark's piece about it sorta makes me cringe at the concept.  I'm guessing he's trying to prime himself for pro-combines for an NFL chance, by taking this path?

[superman57]

Garcon transfered for the wrong reasons...but many d3 athletes transfer for the right reasons...friend of mine freshman year transfered to another school because Fisher didn't have the major that he wanted and he decided that the major he was in was not right...

[realistic]

ok - well you are speaking of one specific example while I am speaking generally.

I would say 99% of D-III transfers do so to find a better college and/or team fit.  Not necessarily what Garcon did.  In reality, there are probably only a couple D-III teams that a player could transfer to in order to get more looks from the NFL.

Brett Elliott got looks but I would venture to guess that he tranfered just so he could play.  Doing so just happened to allow him to put up numbers that got him looks.

[Frank Rossi]

ok - well you are speaking of one specific example while I am speaking generally.

I would say 99% of D-III transfers do so to find a better college and/or team fit.  Not necessarily what Garcon did.  In reality, there are probably only a couple D-III teams that a player could transfer to in order to get more looks from the NFL.

Brett Elliott got looks but I would venture to guess that he tranfered just so he could play.  Doing so just happened to allow him to put up numbers that got him looks.

How about a rule stating you must be maintaining a 3.0 GPA or greater to get an automatic exemption -- otherwise, you have to go through a review process to determine if your case merits an exemption (i.e., locational issues, social issues)?  Any takers on that as a reward for those who are performing well in the classroom, and yet, provides an escape hatch for the rest?

[superman57]

I would say a review clause would work out very well...

[realistic]

personally I just don't think there is that much of a need.

Also - adding the 3.0 clause would hinder students who may be tranfering to a school for academic reasons, or possibly trying to find a school with less emphasis on football and more on academics.

Overall, I just don't think the tranfer rate is high enough or being done for the wrong reasosns to try and restrict it.

[superman57]

that is why maybe a quick meeting with a school pyscoligst or academic cousalor would help...I mean anyone transfering should consider talking to someone

[Frank Rossi]

personally I just don't think there is that much of a need.

Also - adding the 3.0 clause would hinder students who may be tranfering to a school for academic reasons, or possibly trying to find a school with less emphasis on football and more on academics.

Overall, I just don't think the tranfer rate is high enough or being done for the wrong reasosns to try and restrict it.

Any stats, Pat, for D3 football players?

[pg04]

that is why maybe a quick meeting with a school pyscoligst or academic cousalor would help...I mean anyone transfering should consider talking to someone

As I said on the LL board... huh