FB: Empire 8

[tecmobowler]

And I really believe Fisher's schedule is not as tough as everyone is making it out to be.  They only play 2 tough road games.  IC is tough yes, but they are due to win there.  And, remeber SJF has never lost to SC @ SC.  I think they could go 9-1 with a lone loss to IC @ IC. 

This is the most crackpot argument.  For some reason, sports is the only place in all of the world where previous failure is evidence of future success.  You'll never hear:

-My stockbroker sucks and has lost millions of dollars for his clients, but I am sticking with him because he is due.

-My kid's schoolbus driver has gotten into an accident once a week for two months.  That makes me feel like my kid is safe because the driver is due.

-I have arrested that same crack dealer on that same corner 10 times, I am not going to arrest him this time because he is due to be obeying the law.

-That surgeon really hacked up his last few patients so I am going to let him perform my bypass because he is due.

-That kid has failed his GED test 6 straight times but we are going to let him into Cortland anyway because he is due. (OK, well maybe you would hear this one in the world).

Sorry about the soapbox.  This just always makes me crazy.

P.S. IC has added King's for 2007.

My favorite from downtown Dirty Vegas.  Red has come up four times in a row... black is due!

[superman57]

listen, I'm not going to come in here and say that Fisher is going to win at IC, because IC has to be one of the toughest fields to win at in the E8 seeing that they haven't lost their in a while (excuse me for not looking up the last time they lost at home)  But Fisher-IC games are classics and have been classics for the last 4 years at least so get prepared for another classic game.

[chris7sarge]

Wow,   Lewdogg- havent been here in a while but the booger reference is GREAT!  " what the F's a frush?  I got a straight.  I win."

Ne ways, apparently Alfred has somehow gotten 3 bigtime OSU recruits that couldnt get in for mysterious reasons.  Everyone is saying academics, but then how the hell did they get into AU?  From what i've heard, they got all 3 outta the ohio area.  A wr, ot, and de.  Those combined with a qb that can win... i think they are in good shape.  I know how this league is, AU has been tryin to crack that upper echelon of Fisher and IC for a while now (notice how i left Springfield off, too up and down of that echelon over the last 5 years) but i think this is their year.  Apparently the wr and de were two of the most highly recruited in the country.  I just dont understand how they didnt get into a program like miami.  They'd take anyone with a knife (cuz it wasn t a gun).

[JQV]

The last 3 or 4 Fish-IC games have been classics and there is really no reason to think this fall will be any different.  I will say this in response to the various arguments:

-There are a lot of teams that have had a lot of reasons why they are going to win at Butterfield.  

-Fisher has the facilities to build a good program but, I am withholding judgment until they put together a run that lasts through 3 or 4 groups of good players.

-Fisher's OLine has been the key to all their success.  I am not sure if that is Vosburgh's background but, even when Fisher sucked their OLine was big and their OLine play was good.  (kudos Upstate).

-Robinson took them to the next level because he could finish runs after getting clear of the OLine.  That is what took them from a mediocre team with the carrot-top kid that put up some numbers to a good team.

-We'll see what they got now.  Reille is more reminiscent of that carrot-top kid than of Robinson.  He puts up numbers but they are garbage numbers.  Low yds/carry against good teams, then racks them up against the Mt. Idas of the world.  Remember, up to and including last season, Fisher played a weak schedule.

-Winning the whole game except the end isn't winning the whole game, it is winning most of the game.  I would also disagree with your characterization.  Fisher went up early and then got their teeth knocked in for 2 and a half quarters of football.  Alex Baez was incredible that particular Saturday afternoon.  What a great game.

Ne ways, apparently Alfred has somehow gotten 3 bigtime OSU recruits that couldnt get in for mysterious reasons.Apparently the wr and de were two of the most highly recruited in the country. 
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Names?  Not calling you a liar but that feels like a I'll believe it when I see it.

[dewcrew88]

09/01/2007  Becker College @ Charles A. Gaetano Stadium
Home  1:30 PM   
09/08/2007  Husson College @ Charles A. Gaetano Stadium
Home  1:30 PM   
09/15/2007  R.P.I. @ '86 Field (RPI)
Away  1:00 PM   
09/29/2007
  Homecoming Weekend vs. Springfield College @ Charles A. Gaetano Stadium
Home  12:30 PM   
10/06/2007  Mt. Ida College @ Mt. Ida Athletic Stadium
Away  1:00 PM   
10/13/2007
  Alfred University @ Merrill Field
Away  1:00 PM   
10/20/2007
  Ithaca College @ Charles A. Gaetano Stadium
Home  1:30 PM   
10/27/2007
  St. John Fisher College @ Growney Stadium
Away  1:00 PM   
11/03/2007
  Norwich University @ Sabine Field
Away  1:00 PM   
11/10/2007
  Hartwick College @ Charles A. Gaetano Stadium
Home 

Here's UC's 2007 sked.
Same as usual with Becker and Husson to start, then RPI, Springfield, and mt. ida before getting into the rest of the Empire 8 schedule.

[chris7sarge]

i just wanna throw this out there
(chummiing?)
Alfred will beat SJF OR UC
AU will beat SC
AU WILL get screwed again and not make the playoffs because they get no respect (dont call me Rodney Dangerfield, look at the last 2 years and tell me we shouldnt have made it at least one year)
Coach Murray should and will win coach of the year
Skinner will lose another weight lost contest to someone
WHAT?

[superman57]

i just wanna throw this out there
(chummiing?)
Alfred will beat SJF OR UC
AU will beat SC
AU WILL get screwed again and not make the playoffs because they get no respect (dont call me Rodney Dangerfield, look at the last 2 years and tell me we shouldnt have made it at least one year)
Coach Murray should and will win coach of the year
Skinner will lose another weight lost contest to someone
WHAT?

Well I sure hope Alfred can beat utica because if they can't beat Utica they are screwed...Thirdly Alfred screws itself with that schedule, they need to either get rid off Hobart or move it on their schedule, that last road trip is going to be deadly for Alfred and I predict 1-2 getting one win against maybe hobart, but who knows its still to early

[fisheralum91]

well- the board finally gets going!
good to seey boys!

[JQV]

Alfred will beat SJF OR UC

I'll just assume that says IC and say that it is not impossible for that to be true.  AU has played both teams well the last two years.  Although, coming to the home of the FDC in the middle of that brutal road stretch to end the year will be difficult.

AU WILL get screwed again and not make the playoffs because they get no respect

AU will most likely not make the playoffs but I don't think it will be due to respect.  They have had a borderline playoff caliber resume the last two years.  (For example, last year, their key wins were over Thiel and IC who were not the teams they were the previous season so the wins weren't as big.)  Either way, if they were in I don't think anyone would have been too pissed.  However, they don't get in because the E8 has too many solid teams. 

Think of it like this:  The E8 is not the best league in the East Region.  The East Region is the weakest of the four regions nationally.  There are only a limited number of at large bids (please refer to FAQ) which means there are only a limited number of multiple bid leagues.  Few, if any, leagues in that scenario get three bids so, at best, the E8 is a two-bid league.  In the last two seasons, AU couldn't rightfully claim one of those two bids because they had head-to-head losses against the teams ahead of them.  (Last year, lost to both SC and SJF).  Just a matter of circumstance.  AU's performance doesn't happen in a bubble.

Coach Murray should and will win coach of the year

Could happen.  Seems like it is his turn.

Skinner will lose another weight lost contest to someone
WHAT?

Is Mrs. Krabapple turning the screws on him because she thinks he is getting fat?

[Regulator]

Ne ways, apparently Alfred has somehow gotten 3 bigtime OSU recruits that couldnt get in for mysterious reasons.  Everyone is saying academics, but then how the hell did they get into AU?  From what i've heard, they got all 3 outta the ohio area.  A wr, ot, and de.  Those combined with a qb that can win... i think they are in good shape.  I know how this league is, AU has been tryin to crack that upper echelon of Fisher and IC for a while now (notice how i left Springfield off, too up and down of that echelon over the last 5 years) but i think this is their year.  Apparently the wr and de were two of the most highly recruited in the country.  I just dont understand how they didnt get into a program like miami.  They'd take anyone with a knife (cuz it wasn t a gun).

3 Bigtime recruits??....that are going to Alfred?!??!  What did they say....."Oh I love the fact that this place has mediocre academics, is 3 hours from anywhere, and is going to cost me money to go here?"  Give me a break.....

Of course they were the highest recruited in the country.....I have to go, I just got a call from the Colts.  They need a new WR......PLACE AT THE TABLE BABY!

[AUKaz00]

AU will most likely not make the playoffs but I don't think it will be due to respect.  They have had a borderline playoff caliber resume the last two years.  (For example, last year, their key wins were over Thiel and IC who were not the teams they were the previous season so the wins weren't as big.)  Either way, if they were in I don't think anyone would have been too pissed.  However, they don't get in because the E8 has too many solid teams. 

Think of it like this:  The E8 is not the best league in the East Region.  The East Region is the weakest of the four regions nationally.  There are only a limited number of at large bids (please refer to FAQ) which means there are only a limited number of multiple bid leagues.  Few, if any, leagues in that scenario get three bids so, at best, the E8 is a two-bid league.  In the last two seasons, AU couldn't rightfully claim one of those two bids because they had head-to-head losses against the teams ahead of them.  (Last year, lost to both SC and SJF).  Just a matter of circumstance.  AU's performance doesn't happen in a bubble.

Jose,
  I agree that last year the Saxons did not deserve a playoff spot.  That shouldn't even be a debate.  I do believe that the finale against SJF was a play-in game for both teams, so we had our chance but didn't capitilize.  In 2005 only 1 E8 team made the tourney and Alfred's win up at Growney to go 8-2 (5-1 E8) should have been enough.  We probably would have still lost to Rowan, but we would have done better than the 42-3 no-show that Wilkes gave.

Sarge,
  I think I'd give my right testicle for these so-called recruits to materialize.  You gotta give us some substance to your claims.  Please!!!

[FisherAlum05]

AU will most likely not make the playoffs but I don't think it will be due to respect.  They have had a borderline playoff caliber resume the last two years.  (For example, last year, their key wins were over Thiel and IC who were not the teams they were the previous season so the wins weren't as big.)  Either way, if they were in I don't think anyone would have been too pissed.  However, they don't get in because the E8 has too many solid teams. 

Think of it like this:  The E8 is not the best league in the East Region.  The East Region is the weakest of the four regions nationally.  There are only a limited number of at large bids (please refer to FAQ) which means there are only a limited number of multiple bid leagues.  Few, if any, leagues in that scenario get three bids so, at best, the E8 is a two-bid league.  In the last two seasons, AU couldn't rightfully claim one of those two bids because they had head-to-head losses against the teams ahead of them.  (Last year, lost to both SC and SJF).  Just a matter of circumstance.  AU's performance doesn't happen in a bubble.

Jose,
  I agree that last year the Saxons did not deserve a playoff spot.  That shouldn't even be a debate.  I do believe that the finale against SJF was a play-in game for both teams, so we had our chance but didn't capitilize.  In 2005 only 1 E8 team made the tourney and Alfred's win up at Growney to go 8-2 (5-1 E8) should have been enough.  We probably would have still lost to Rowan, but we would have done better than the 42-3 no-show that Wilkes gave.

Sarge,
  I think I'd give my right testicle for these so-called recruits to materialize.  You gotta give us some substance to your claims.  Please!!!

These claims seem a bit far fetched if you ask me!!  Nobody being recruited by Ohio State would ever end up at Alfred or any other d3 school for that matter.  Except maybe Mount Union. 

[FisherAlum05]

AU will most likely not make the playoffs but I don't think it will be due to respect.  They have had a borderline playoff caliber resume the last two years.  (For example, last year, their key wins were over Thiel and IC who were not the teams they were the previous season so the wins weren't as big.)  Either way, if they were in I don't think anyone would have been too pissed.  However, they don't get in because the E8 has too many solid teams. 

Think of it like this:  The E8 is not the best league in the East Region.  The East Region is the weakest of the four regions nationally.  There are only a limited number of at large bids (please refer to FAQ) which means there are only a limited number of multiple bid leagues.  Few, if any, leagues in that scenario get three bids so, at best, the E8 is a two-bid league.  In the last two seasons, AU couldn't rightfully claim one of those two bids because they had head-to-head losses against the teams ahead of them.  (Last year, lost to both SC and SJF).  Just a matter of circumstance.  AU's performance doesn't happen in a bubble.

Jose,
  I agree that last year the Saxons did not deserve a playoff spot.  That shouldn't even be a debate.  I do believe that the finale against SJF was a play-in game for both teams, so we had our chance but didn't capitilize.  In 2005 only 1 E8 team made the tourney and Alfred's win up at Growney to go 8-2 (5-1 E8) should have been enough.  We probably would have still lost to Rowan, but we would have done better than the 42-3 no-show that Wilkes gave.

Sarge,
  I think I'd give my right testicle for these so-called recruits to materialize.  You gotta give us some substance to your claims.  Please!!!

These claims seem a bit far fetched if you ask me!!  Nobody being recruited by Ohio State would ever end up at Alfred or any other d3 school for that matter.  Except maybe Mount Union. 

Chairman,

The E8 is not the best league in the East Region?  I would have to disagree there.  SJF, IC, SC, and AU are all potential NCAA quality teams.  What other league has 4 teams of that Caliber?  The Liberty League has Union, RPI, Hobart, and U of R.  The NJAC has Rowan and Cortland State.  Neither league is as tough as the E8 in my opinion.  What's your take?? 

[labart96]

TGP thinks that with Widener, DelVal, Wilkes, and Kings that the MAC could state a solid case.

[labart96]

i just wanna throw this out there
(chummiing?)
Alfred will beat SJF OR UC
AU will beat SC
AU WILL get screwed again and not make the playoffs because they get no respect (dont call me Rodney Dangerfield, look at the last 2 years and tell me we shouldnt have made it at least one year)
Coach Murray should and will win coach of the year
Skinner will lose another weight lost contest to someone
WHAT?

Well I sure hope Alfred can beat utica because if they can't beat Utica they are screwed...Thirdly Alfred screws itself with that schedule, they need to either get rid off Hobart or move it on their schedule, that last road trip is going to be deadly for Alfred and I predict 1-2 getting one win against maybe hobart, but who knows its still to early

Hobart and Alfred are not on either's schedule beginning in 2008.