FB: Empire 8

[fisheralum91]

hey guys--1991 wasnt THAT long ago   

[fisheralum91]

hell-yes it was

[JQV]

To be totally honest, here is how I see Fisher's program:

Vosburgh has a good system.  Even when they sucked, Fisher's OLine was always the biggest OLine IC saw during the season.  The system is built in a way that even mediocre backs can have some success.

Fisher used mediocre backs and succeeded against mediocre competition for a few years.  Then they got a talented back and beat some good teams.  Now, if they can get another talented back, they could beat good teams again.  But they have never played a schedule before that included a lot of good teams, so we will see what that does to their program.

I also still doubt the coaching staff there (except for Blaise, who gets the alumni pass).  I know the ex-coach is going to fight me on this but, until the IC-Fisher game this fall, I never saw Vosburgh make any halftime adjustments.  Whatever IC did that worked in the first half also worked in the second half.  Whatever Fisher did on offense in the first half, Fisher did on offense in the second half  (See: Struzzi, Bill picking off the 1,000th bubble screen of the game).

Maybe he came around the corner during their run (I'll admit that I don't know the details of any of those games).  Maybe their run gets them enough talent to sustain this thing for a few years.  But I am curious to see how a 3 or 4 loss season effects them.

[realistic]

Pep just noticed that the E8's once-highly respected Chairman is suggesting in his nameplate that he, like the late President Richard Milhous Nixon, may be in need of a pardon... has a succeeding chair been identified and, if so, does said chair wish to pardon our dethroned and smitten chairman?

I believe it has been the Guru flexing his muscle that he would rather a unified PPs without classifications...

[superman57]

no I believe that it was viper proving he did not know all that he advertised...and the guru laid down the hammer

[realistic]

he took away your self appointed title too...didn't he?

[maxpower]

Yeah keep in mind the Chairman was at least voted upon by all of E8PP.

[Pat Coleman]

I decided to let your properly elected chairman stand until he started venturing outside his scope.

I decided not to recognize 57's attempt to usurp the throne.

[theoriginalupstate]

I also still doubt the coaching staff there (except for Blaise, who gets the alumni pass).  I know the ex-coach is going to fight me on this but, until the IC-Fisher game this fall, I never saw Vosburgh make any halftime adjustments.  Whatever IC did that worked in the first half also worked in the second half.  Whatever Fisher did on offense in the first half, Fisher did on offense in the second half  (See: Struzzi, Bill picking off the 1,000th bubble screen of the game).

Since there was only one major coaching move in the past offseason I think you can attribute that to the new OC that SJF had.

[Jonny Utah]

I also still doubt the coaching staff there (except for Blaise, who gets the alumni pass).  I know the ex-coach is going to fight me on this but, until the IC-Fisher game this fall, I never saw Vosburgh make any halftime adjustments.  Whatever IC did that worked in the first half also worked in the second half.  Whatever Fisher did on offense in the first half, Fisher did on offense in the second half  (See: Struzzi, Bill picking off the 1,000th bubble screen of the game).

Since there was only one major coaching move in the past offseason I think you can attribute that to the new OC that SJF had.

Although they stopped passing in a few of those games when they had one of the best RBs in the country.

[boobyhasgameyo]

Well Fisher did have a 3 loss season in 2005 and it was definitely a let-down because it didn't seem as though they lived up to their potential and losing games they really could have won.  The following year they are 12-2.  They also had an 8-3 season in 2003 and followed that with a 10-2 season, but that isn't really the same because that 8-3 season was a successful year not a let down year. 

[theoriginalupstate]

Since 2002

SJF 44-14

IC 41-14

[JQV]

Since 2002

SJF 44-14

IC 41-14

No question Fisher has won some games since 2002.

I would say that IC has played a better non-conference schedule in that time period.

That will change given the changes to both school's schedules (IC will likely lose all but one NJAC opponent in 2008).

Five years just isn't enough in my mind.  Ask PG about the five year run 'Port had around Darnley.  Or the 5 year run SC had around Kahill.  Or the 5 year run Buff State had when they were the biggest non Cortland game on IC's schedule.  There are many other examples, those just jump to mind.

Well Fisher did have a 3 loss season in 2005 and it was definitely a let-down because it didn't seem as though they lived up to their potential and losing games they really could have won.  The following year they are 12-2.  They also had an 8-3 season in 2003 and followed that with a 10-2 season, but that isn't really the same because that 8-3 season was a successful year not a let down year. 

I think you make this point yourself but, previous multi-loss seasons aren't relevant because Fisher hadn't really been succesful yet.  Losing three games when your program won just one game two years earlier is a good season.  Losing three games after your program went to the national semifinals is a bad season.  So, I think one of the next tests for Fisher's longevity is how they respond to the letdown season that all programs have.

[theoriginalupstate]

No question Fisher has won some games since 2002.

I would say that IC has played a better non-conference schedule in that time period.

That will change given the changes to both school's schedules (IC will likely lose all but one NJAC opponent in 2008).

Five years just isn't enough in my mind.  Ask PG about the five year run 'Port had around Darnley.  Or the 5 year run SC had around Kahill.  Or the 5 year run Buff State had when they were the biggest non Cortland game on IC's schedule.  There are many other examples, those just jump to mind.

the only huge difference in their schedule over that time has been Cortland.  SJF may of had Mt. Ida but IC had Buff State. 

[JQV]

The Bombers played a home-and-home with Lycoming and also played Huntingdon last year.