FB: Empire 8

[Saxon73]

yeah they're too talented to keep them out of the endzone for the entire game.....

They'll get some pts and yards but not untill the game is decided....

Saxon73 submits Hartwick will get some yards but not some points until the game is decided.  Looking forward to being in Oneonta with my Scarletish jacket from my golf course.  Norwich is too far a trip. 

SJF 56, Hartwick 17

[Jonny Utah]

From the NESCAC board: We have a player posting.

Hamilton beat Colgate 28-7 with running time in the second half. They mustve had around 10 sacks, and allowed nearly no rushing yards. Also, the  Colgate score was towards then end of the game. It was pretty lopsided throughout

I'd imagine you know how the scrimmage went, since you're listed on the Hamilton roster.

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Not a Nick Gatto sighting, but we could have something here.

Highly doubt that Hamilton College beat Colgate even in a scrimmage.  Just doesn't seem possible to me.  Colgate, in the past, has been a very good 1-AA team, and is still pretty decent I think.

that was the colgate jv team.....which the Ithaca jv team used to beat by 2-3 tds in real games

[Saxon73]

Was it the Hamilton JV team , or is this all a bunch of bs?

[Jonny Utah]

Was it the Hamilton JV team , or is this all a bunch of bs?

No the Hamilton varsity beat the Colgate JV 28-7.  Which would make sense if it did happen.

[Saxon73]

If this recently happened, I don't understand why they would be playing.  Was it on a Wednesday or something?  On the face of it does it make sense?

[Jonny Utah]

If this recently happened, I don't understand why they would be playing.  Was it on a Wednesday or something?  On the face of it does it make sense?

that was a preseason scrimmage.

[Saxon73]

Forgive my ignorance, but is there any significance to this.  Hamilton hasn't won a game yet.

[Jonny Utah]

Forgive my ignorance, but is there any significance to this.  Hamilton hasn't won a game yet.

someone asked a question on the nescac board whether or not nescac teams could beat ivy jv teams or something to that extent.  and there were a few replys.  Its probably only a few pages back, im sure you could find it.

[Saxon73]

Neither Hamilton or Colgate are Ivy.

[sjfcclimbing]

NSRB also thinks we met in Utica on a cold rainy Saterday a couple years ago with OrangeHat.  Pep was in the area to see some family NSRB thinks.

Dubbz.. "tough day to be a bomber?"  Did I miss something?

ClimbingFisher... thanks for agreeing. Though we may be the only ones who see it, I agree.  I still find it funny that you fellas look at this team as being better than last year.  Maybe so... and the numbers might prove that.. but after seeing the force that was ST JOHN FISHER FOOTBALL come out in the 2nd half last year and completely destroy Bomber Nation I feel that the team last year played better than this year.

... I might need to seek some additional couch time on Post Patterns to talk it out.  

Fisher05... lets agree.. to disagree =)

Count me in on those that think SJF was better on the field last year to date. 

I haven't seen/read anything yet this season that points to SJF's 2007 squad being as good or better than the 2006 vintage (at least not yet).  That's sort of a subjective call that you can make an argument for either way - especially with such a small number of actual games played to date and the fact that SJF has played teams with a combined 3-10 record.  The IC win so far is really the only thing that stands out.

Personally, even with all the returning players they have back this season, Mark Robinson was such a great back that you can't lose him to graduation and not have some drop off.  I know Reile has some good numbers, but MR was one of those special "all time great/HOF caliber" players you can't really "replace."

I hear ya...except every player at this level is replaceable...just ask Mt Union who has been doing it for...ever!

Ok, my reference to on paper looks this way (by the way, on paper refers to the preseason roster and coaches)-

2007 - 18 starters from a National Semi-Final Team (12-2) that did the best against Mt. Union in the first meeting of the season for the teams in 2007 (can't use Capital's second game, only fair). Three Pre-Season All-American choices. Coaching Staff intact from previous season. Lost two All-Americans, No injury issues known.

2006 - Not sure of the returning starters but guess maybe 14 from a Team that lost it's final season game and ECAC Northwest Bowl (8-3). Two Pre-season All-American choices. New Offensive coordinator??? Lost one All-American and one Honorable Mention All-American(remember Noah). Both QB and RB had injuries previous season and neither preformed to their previous level in the last two losses - concerns.


How can you say that on paper 2006 looked better then 2007. Even the Polls show the difference. (This is going to be bad as I had several email's to D3football last year arguing that they really underestimated SJFC in that Poll - these are some of the issues they used to justify the ranking)



Now as to the actual performance, too earlier to say for sure. However, this team will not feel vindicated unless it wins the East again. Last year, the goal was get into the NCAA.

All those using stat's should know better. Every team is going to put it's best effort forth against a 5th ranked team. Three of the four games have been away, on grass fields and the fourth was a circus (but for a great cause). This team is built for speed not grass. At this time last year, we had already been behind in two games and had to rally. Not so this year.

Yes, Robinson was one of a kind but then so was Noah. Look at last years receivers, were they like Noah, no but then were real good and more of them.

Leadership and a goto guy is what they are looking for but on this team there are so many options it is hard to pinpoint them. Kramer is doing a great job with a fanastic supporting cast and seems to be the center of the offense. Defense wise, Stepnick and company are doing what has been asked, bending and shutting teams down in the red zone.

Last year's team was a great team but this team can be better (my opinion it is better). Lots of football left.


Of course, we could just wait until the end of the season and not post but what fun would that be.


        SJFC 40    Hartwick 24  On old-Style Turf, away and at night

[FisherAlum05]

SJFC 49
Hartwick 21

Fisher is too balanced for Hartwick in my opinion.  SJF will score at will.  Hartwick might put up some points (they have a great offense), but not nearly enough to contend with the Cardinals. 

Speaking of lopsided games, the high school team I coach in Miami, FL is playing Northwest High School next week.  We are currently 2-3, and Northwest (the #1 high school team in the USA) is 5-0.  They have 22 Division One players.  Crazy.  It wont be pretty thats for sure.

[fisheralum91]

morning boys!
off to chase the white ball in the rain---but ill see the loyal few at the wick game tom!
Go fisher!

[lumpy]

NSRB also thinks we met in Utica on a cold rainy Saterday a couple years ago with OrangeHat.  Pep was in the area to see some family NSRB thinks.

Dubbz.. "tough day to be a bomber?"  Did I miss something?

ClimbingFisher... thanks for agreeing. Though we may be the only ones who see it, I agree.  I still find it funny that you fellas look at this team as being better than last year.  Maybe so... and the numbers might prove that.. but after seeing the force that was ST JOHN FISHER FOOTBALL come out in the 2nd half last year and completely destroy Bomber Nation I feel that the team last year played better than this year.

... I might need to seek some additional couch time on Post Patterns to talk it out.  

Fisher05... lets agree.. to disagree =)

Count me in on those that think SJF was better on the field last year to date. 

I haven't seen/read anything yet this season that points to SJF's 2007 squad being as good or better than the 2006 vintage (at least not yet).  That's sort of a subjective call that you can make an argument for either way - especially with such a small number of actual games played to date and the fact that SJF has played teams with a combined 3-10 record.  The IC win so far is really the only thing that stands out.

Personally, even with all the returning players they have back this season, Mark Robinson was such a great back that you can't lose him to graduation and not have some drop off.  I know Reile has some good numbers, but MR was one of those special "all time great/HOF caliber" players you can't really "replace."

I hear ya...except every player at this level is replaceable...just ask Mt Union who has been doing it for...ever!

Ok, my reference to on paper looks this way (by the way, on paper refers to the preseason roster and coaches)-

2007 - 18 starters from a National Semi-Final Team (12-2) that did the best against Mt. Union in the first meeting of the season for the teams in 2007 (can't use Capital's second game, only fair). Three Pre-Season All-American choices. Coaching Staff intact from previous season. Lost two All-Americans, No injury issues known.

2006 - Not sure of the returning starters but guess maybe 14 from a Team that lost it's final season game and ECAC Northwest Bowl (8-3). Two Pre-season All-American choices. New Offensive coordinator??? Lost one All-American and one Honorable Mention All-American(remember Noah). Both QB and RB had injuries previous season and neither preformed to their previous level in the last two losses - concerns.


How can you say that on paper 2006 looked better then 2007. Even the Polls show the difference. (This is going to be bad as I had several email's to D3football last year arguing that they really underestimated SJFC in that Poll - these are some of the issues they used to justify the ranking)



Now as to the actual performance, too earlier to say for sure. However, this team will not feel vindicated unless it wins the East again. Last year, the goal was get into the NCAA.

All those using stat's should know better. Every team is going to put it's best effort forth against a 5th ranked team. Three of the four games have been away, on grass fields and the fourth was a circus (but for a great cause). This team is built for speed not grass. At this time last year, we had already been behind in two games and had to rally. Not so this year.

Yes, Robinson was one of a kind but then so was Noah. Look at last years receivers, were they like Noah, no but then were real good and more of them.

Leadership and a goto guy is what they are looking for but on this team there are so many options it is hard to pinpoint them. Kramer is doing a great job with a fanastic supporting cast and seems to be the center of the offense. Defense wise, Stepnick and company are doing what has been asked, bending and shutting teams down in the red zone.

Last year's team was a great team but this team can be better (my opinion it is better). Lots of football left.


Of course, we could just wait until the end of the season and not post but what fun would that be.


        SJFC 40    Hartwick 24  On old-Style Turf, away and at night

hartwick has the new field turf now, and a new building at the entrance of the field with real bathroom !!!

[SJFF82]

sjfcclimbing:  Do you really think Vosburgh recruits based upon the style of turf they play on?   "Um, sorry Mr. and Mrs. Robinson, I dont think your son is the right fit for our offense because he plays on grass in H.S." 

[sjfcclimbing]

sjfcclimbing:  Do you really think Vosburgh recruits based upon the style of turf they play on?   "Um, sorry Mr. and Mrs. Robinson, I dont think your son is the right fit for our offense because he plays on grass in H.S." 

Of course not, but they recruit to a defensive and offensive strategy which happens to be speed especially on defense. That in turn gives them an edge on turf and slows them down on grass. Many on the team suspected that Ithaca might allow the grass to grow a little long to slow down Fisher's offense. However, the field was in great shape.