FB: Empire 8

[theicdubbz]

I was talking about this year.  It just seems to me that the Dubbz has become a little cranky as of late due to the situation his team is in.  AU has been there and you don't see me throwing rocks.  I took my lumps in past years when AU has faultered.  But I'm not concerned with past years.  Last year or 6 yrs ago.  That's why these boards are so great, bc you get instant feedback from WEEK to WEEK, not year to year.

Yeah, its been a rough couple of weeks for the Bomber Nation.  Even the B'port win still felt Salty.  AU is def. in the drivers seat now.  Its their league to lose. Yeah yeah Hartwick but, Hartwick lost to whats their names outta the NEFC.  which meens they dont travel well. Hartwick has never beaten IC at Butterfield.  Until Fisher 2 weeks ago nobody in the E8 had.   Dubbz has hope now though.  every game in every part of NY meens something now, which is great.  

As for the replacement team in the E8 I dotn think they will go searching Maine for a replacement.  That will be the last resort.  They will be heading into PA 1st.  Then possibly Long Island or Connecticut.  Perhaps some bottom feeders of the Buckeye state conferences will wanna jump ship.  Who knows?  

[chris7sarge]

It's just a little confusing to say the least when the game with Husson is close (even if it was your backup QB) and yet you managed to beat IC and Fisher.  I would like to think that if IC, AU, SJF, or SC plays Husson, the game is over before half.  If those four were to play Husson i would dare say that our backup qb's would be playing the entire second half.  This perplexes me and I would think does the same for the rest of the board.

-Jose- Mayberry?  I'm not sure I quite understand.  Did you mean Merrill?  AU's field?  After all, they do have the only 2 unbeaten teams at this point and will produce the lone unbeaten at the end of the day.  It also pits the highest touted QB's from the E8 that have directed their teams to that point.  Moreover, AU and Wick have not won the E8 in some time; read deeper- they don't play for IC or Fisher (widely respected as football factories this millenium).  So if you meant to say "Keeley is the MVP".  I agree.

I dont think its all that confusing... I just think its a matter of Hartwick (or any team) getting hot at the right time...

Football is a sport that is unlike baseball or basketball in that regard and it is only accentuated at the DIII level.  In baseball you can have one or 2 studs for pitchers that can get "hot" and carry a team that produces 1-3 runs.  In basketball, a team can get "hot" by getting into a shooting rythm (Gatto, spellcheck that) and gaining confidence amongst players that would otherwise be insignificant.
This is not the case in football.  Football, more times than not, comes down to pure speed, size, and strength.  Those do not change from week to week.  That is why you rarely see big upsets in DIII football (making this year an anomoly unless Wick can continue their trend).  Furthermore, in D3 football, those teams that are good tend to stay that way because they often get the pick of the litter to choose from.  That is why it is confusing to me that you have the athletes to beat IC and SJF but squeak by Husson.  Maybe not squeak, but like I said, the others I believe would have manhandled them.

Think about how many big upsets we have seen in the E8 since 2000.  I would think that Norwich over Fisher would be one of the only few UPSETS of major magnitude.  Granted you have SJF over IC, but that evolved into good games and a trading of punches back and forth.  AU beat IC last year, but it is not as if they came out of no where.  AU was in the top 3-4 to start.  I would imagine i'm missing a couple of upsets, but i cant think of them.  (BTW- an upset must mean someone from the lower tier beating on of the top 4)

[AUPepBand]

Second-  I once new a man named Dave Murray.  For all his faults (ugly, little light in the loafers) he could direct one heck of a defense. 

Not much was made of it publicly, but AU's 37-7 win over Springfield was Coach Dave Murray's 100th career coaching victory, which ironically came against his alma mater. That's why he was doused in gatorade at the conclusion of the game, for any who were there and wondered.

Coach Murray garnered 44 wins at that state school north of Ithaca whose name for some reason escapes me...and after a one-year stint at Lebanon Valley, Coach Murray has since become another one of the characters in Mayberry, where his mark is currently at 57-38.

[fisheralum91]

i completely forgot about Norwich pulling out of the E8.
I have to assume that the E8 people have already started courting teams right?
Any ideas?

[JQV]

It's just a little confusing to say the least when the game with Husson is close (even if it was your backup QB) and yet you managed to beat IC and Fisher.  I would like to think that if IC, AU, SJF, or SC plays Husson, the game is over before half.  If those four were to play Husson i would dare say that our backup qb's would be playing the entire second half.  This perplexes me and I would think does the same for the rest of the board.

-Jose- Mayberry?  I'm not sure I quite understand.  Did you mean Merrill?  AU's field?  After all, they do have the only 2 unbeaten teams at this point and will produce the lone unbeaten at the end of the day.  It also pits the highest touted QB's from the E8 that have directed their teams to that point.  Moreover, AU and Wick have not won the E8 in some time; read deeper- they don't play for IC or Fisher (widely respected as football factories this millenium).  So if you meant to say "Keeley is the MVP".  I agree.

I dont think its all that confusing... I just think its a matter of Hartwick (or any team) getting hot at the right time...

Football is a sport that is unlike baseball or basketball in that regard and it is only accentuated at the DIII level.  In baseball you can have one or 2 studs for pitchers that can get "hot" and carry a team that produces 1-3 runs.  In basketball, a team can get "hot" by getting into a shooting rythm (Gatto, spellcheck that) and gaining confidence amongst players that would otherwise be insignificant.
This is not the case in football.  Football, more times than not, comes down to pure speed, size, and strength.  Those do not change from week to week.  That is why you rarely see big upsets in DIII football (making this year an anomoly unless Wick can continue their trend).  Furthermore, in D3 football, those teams that are good tend to stay that way because they often get the pick of the litter to choose from.  That is why it is confusing to me that you have the athletes to beat IC and SJF but squeak by Husson.  Maybe not squeak, but like I said, the others I believe would have manhandled them.

Think about how many big upsets we have seen in the E8 since 2000.  I would think that Norwich over Fisher would be one of the only few UPSETS of major magnitude.  Granted you have SJF over IC, but that evolved into good games and a trading of punches back and forth.  AU beat IC last year, but it is not as if they came out of no where.  AU was in the top 3-4 to start.  I would imagine i'm missing a couple of upsets, but i cant think of them.  (BTW- an upset must mean someone from the lower tier beating on of the top 4)

Isn't this an oxymoron?  Can you really describe an upset as rare?  Isn't the fact that it rarely occurs what makes it an upset in the first place?

[fisheralum91]

jose- its like jumbo shrimp

[Jonny Utah]

It's just a little confusing to say the least when the game with Husson is close (even if it was your backup QB) and yet you managed to beat IC and Fisher.  I would like to think that if IC, AU, SJF, or SC plays Husson, the game is over before half.  If those four were to play Husson i would dare say that our backup qb's would be playing the entire second half.  This perplexes me and I would think does the same for the rest of the board.

-Jose- Mayberry?  I'm not sure I quite understand.  Did you mean Merrill?  AU's field?  After all, they do have the only 2 unbeaten teams at this point and will produce the lone unbeaten at the end of the day.  It also pits the highest touted QB's from the E8 that have directed their teams to that point.  Moreover, AU and Wick have not won the E8 in some time; read deeper- they don't play for IC or Fisher (widely respected as football factories this millenium).  So if you meant to say "Keeley is the MVP".  I agree.

I dont think its all that confusing... I just think its a matter of Hartwick (or any team) getting hot at the right time...

Football is a sport that is unlike baseball or basketball in that regard and it is only accentuated at the DIII level.  In baseball you can have one or 2 studs for pitchers that can get "hot" and carry a team that produces 1-3 runs.  In basketball, a team can get "hot" by getting into a shooting rythm (Gatto, spellcheck that) and gaining confidence amongst players that would otherwise be insignificant.
This is not the case in football.  Football, more times than not, comes down to pure speed, size, and strength.  Those do not change from week to week.  That is why you rarely see big upsets in DIII football (making this year an anomoly unless Wick can continue their trend).  Furthermore, in D3 football, those teams that are good tend to stay that way because they often get the pick of the litter to choose from.  That is why it is confusing to me that you have the athletes to beat IC and SJF but squeak by Husson.  Maybe not squeak, but like I said, the others I believe would have manhandled them.

Think about how many big upsets we have seen in the E8 since 2000.  I would think that Norwich over Fisher would be one of the only few UPSETS of major magnitude.  Granted you have SJF over IC, but that evolved into good games and a trading of punches back and forth.  AU beat IC last year, but it is not as if they came out of no where.  AU was in the top 3-4 to start.  I would imagine i'm missing a couple of upsets, but i cant think of them.  (BTW- an upset must mean someone from the lower tier beating on of the top 4)

Isn't this an oxymoron?  Can you really describe an upset as rare?  Isn't the fact that it rarely occurs what makes it an upset in the first place?

I would agree that big upsets happen less at d3 in certain cases.  At d1 (lets say the Pac-10), the number one team in the country, (USC) plays the worst team in its league, (Stanford).  Now Stanford has the same amount of scholorship players as USC, and Id say 99% of them went to Stanford to play on the football team and maybe get a chance to play in the NFL.

Now Mt. Union on the other hand plays a team like Heidelberg, whose team make up is not even comparable to that of Mt Unions. (Im speculating here a little)

[AUPepBand]

All this talk is getting me upset, which rarely happens.   

[admirals_vt]

It's just a little confusing to say the least when the game with Husson is close (even if it was your backup QB) and yet you managed to beat IC and Fisher.  I would like to think that if IC, AU, SJF, or SC plays Husson, the game is over before half.  If those four were to play Husson i would dare say that our backup qb's would be playing the entire second half.  This perplexes me and I would think does the same for the rest of the board.

-Jose- Mayberry?  I'm not sure I quite understand.  Did you mean Merrill?  AU's field?  After all, they do have the only 2 unbeaten teams at this point and will produce the lone unbeaten at the end of the day.  It also pits the highest touted QB's from the E8 that have directed their teams to that point.  Moreover, AU and Wick have not won the E8 in some time; read deeper- they don't play for IC or Fisher (widely respected as football factories this millenium).  So if you meant to say "Keeley is the MVP".  I agree.

I dont think its all that confusing... I just think its a matter of Hartwick (or any team) getting hot at the right time...

Football is a sport that is unlike baseball or basketball in that regard and it is only accentuated at the DIII level.  In baseball you can have one or 2 studs for pitchers that can get "hot" and carry a team that produces 1-3 runs.  In basketball, a team can get "hot" by getting into a shooting rythm (Gatto, spellcheck that) and gaining confidence amongst players that would otherwise be insignificant.
This is not the case in football.  Football, more times than not, comes down to pure speed, size, and strength.  Those do not change from week to week.  That is why you rarely see big upsets in DIII football (making this year an anomoly unless Wick can continue their trend).  Furthermore, in D3 football, those teams that are good tend to stay that way because they often get the pick of the litter to choose from.  That is why it is confusing to me that you have the athletes to beat IC and SJF but squeak by Husson.  Maybe not squeak, but like I said, the others I believe would have manhandled them.

Think about how many big upsets we have seen in the E8 since 2000.  I would think that Norwich over Fisher would be one of the only few UPSETS of major magnitude.  Granted you have SJF over IC, but that evolved into good games and a trading of punches back and forth.  AU beat IC last year, but it is not as if they came out of no where.  AU was in the top 3-4 to start.  I would imagine i'm missing a couple of upsets, but i cant think of them.  (BTW- an upset must mean someone from the lower tier beating on of the top 4)

Isn't this an oxymoron?  Can you really describe an upset as rare?  Isn't the fact that it rarely occurs what makes it an upset in the first place?

I would agree that big upsets happen less at d3 in certain cases.  At d1 (lets say the Pac-10), the number one team in the country, (USC) plays the worst team in its league, (Stanford).  Now Stanford has the same amount of scholorship players as USC, and Id say 99% of them went to Stanford to play on the football team and maybe get a chance to play in the NFL.

Now Mt. Union on the other hand plays a team like Heidelberg, whose team make up is not even comparable to that of Mt Unions. (Im speculating here a little)

At the DIII level there are so many more variables that come into play when selecting a college to attend. Because lets be honest here nobody at the DIII level is going to make a living playing football.
1. So in the E8 AU and SJF have a huge advantage because of the financial aid packages they can offer.

2. When selecting a college not having to take out huge loans to pay for your education should be the first priority.

3. Although a close second in the selection has to also be the school and the location, because maybe a half dozen of the 50-60 freshman brought in each year will see significant playing time by their senior season. So if you don't like the school or it's location don't go there, because if your not playing football your going to hate it for four years.

[Jonny Utah]

It's just a little confusing to say the least when the game with Husson is close (even if it was your backup QB) and yet you managed to beat IC and Fisher.  I would like to think that if IC, AU, SJF, or SC plays Husson, the game is over before half.  If those four were to play Husson i would dare say that our backup qb's would be playing the entire second half.  This perplexes me and I would think does the same for the rest of the board.

-Jose- Mayberry?  I'm not sure I quite understand.  Did you mean Merrill?  AU's field?  After all, they do have the only 2 unbeaten teams at this point and will produce the lone unbeaten at the end of the day.  It also pits the highest touted QB's from the E8 that have directed their teams to that point.  Moreover, AU and Wick have not won the E8 in some time; read deeper- they don't play for IC or Fisher (widely respected as football factories this millenium).  So if you meant to say "Keeley is the MVP".  I agree.

I dont think its all that confusing... I just think its a matter of Hartwick (or any team) getting hot at the right time...

Football is a sport that is unlike baseball or basketball in that regard and it is only accentuated at the DIII level.  In baseball you can have one or 2 studs for pitchers that can get "hot" and carry a team that produces 1-3 runs.  In basketball, a team can get "hot" by getting into a shooting rythm (Gatto, spellcheck that) and gaining confidence amongst players that would otherwise be insignificant.
This is not the case in football.  Football, more times than not, comes down to pure speed, size, and strength.  Those do not change from week to week.  That is why you rarely see big upsets in DIII football (making this year an anomoly unless Wick can continue their trend).  Furthermore, in D3 football, those teams that are good tend to stay that way because they often get the pick of the litter to choose from.  That is why it is confusing to me that you have the athletes to beat IC and SJF but squeak by Husson.  Maybe not squeak, but like I said, the others I believe would have manhandled them.

Think about how many big upsets we have seen in the E8 since 2000.  I would think that Norwich over Fisher would be one of the only few UPSETS of major magnitude.  Granted you have SJF over IC, but that evolved into good games and a trading of punches back and forth.  AU beat IC last year, but it is not as if they came out of no where.  AU was in the top 3-4 to start.  I would imagine i'm missing a couple of upsets, but i cant think of them.  (BTW- an upset must mean someone from the lower tier beating on of the top 4)

Isn't this an oxymoron?  Can you really describe an upset as rare?  Isn't the fact that it rarely occurs what makes it an upset in the first place?

I would agree that big upsets happen less at d3 in certain cases.  At d1 (lets say the Pac-10), the number one team in the country, (USC) plays the worst team in its league, (Stanford).  Now Stanford has the same amount of scholorship players as USC, and Id say 99% of them went to Stanford to play on the football team and maybe get a chance to play in the NFL.

Now Mt. Union on the other hand plays a team like Heidelberg, whose team make up is not even comparable to that of Mt Unions. (Im speculating here a little)

At the DIII level there are so many more variables that come into play when selecting a college to attend. Because lets be honest here nobody at the DIII level is going to make a living playing football.
1. So in the E8 AU and SJF have a huge advantage because of the financial aid packages they can offer.

2. When selecting a college not having to take out huge loans to pay for your education should be the first priority.

3. Although a close second in the selection has to also be the school and the location, because maybe a half dozen of the 50-60 freshman brought in each year will see significant playing time by their senior season. So if you don't like the school or it's location don't go there, because if your not playing football your going to hate it for four years.

so your saying AU and SJF give more money than Ithaca?

[admirals_vt]

I don't know about IC, I do know about AU/SJF versus 'wick.

[chris7sarge]

What i was getting at is that football, as compared to other sports, produces far fewer upsets.  See for instance the NCAA bball tourney.  Upsets are a given and expected.  An upset in our conference is rare and unexpected.  Name me another one since 2000 other than Norwich over SJF.
If we were to swich gears to baseball or basketball, that number would rise exponentially. (unless it is the number 1, which i am contending.  Oh no i've gone cross-eyed)

[fisheralum91]

admirals- i would think that the facilities, quality of program and location would play a larger role.  most of the colleges in the E8 are pretty close in cost---as we have pointed out- IC being the priciest.

[Jonny Utah]

I don't know about IC, I do know about AU/SJF versus 'wick.

Well then who do they have an advantage over?

(nevermind, saw your other post)

So why doesnt Wick' give the same money on a need-basis?

[theicdubbz]

The IC admissions and financial aid people do crap for the Bomber athletes.  Now, if you are a parkie or music student forget about it.  You'll get all the money you want or need if you are good enough. (I guess that is how is should be.)  but, seriously, can the IC people toss a little money at the athletes.  If we dont then you can rest assured that the bombers will fall as we watch Fish and AU rise. 

AND WHEN IS THIS ATHLETIC CENTER THAT I KEEP DONATING MONEY TO GETTING BUILT?!!  

Another thing! If my parking spot in the tail gate gets taken again due to VIP's for the president or whatever other stupid reason you have, and they dont show up until 1:10, I am throwing those orange cones into the baseball field and setting my grill up!