FB: Empire 8

[boobyhasgameyo]

So Adam has dropped Fisher to 6th in the East after that loss, I think that's just a bit of a stretch.  Fisher only dropped 5 spots Nationally, but they dropped 5 spots in Adam's east region poll? 

[boobyhasgameyo]

Nothing? No debate? Not a peep? 


Well then I am off for the night, good talk....See ya out there. 

[Tags]

Wow, you guys were busy today - a tremendous amount of banter. Now that's what we like to see!

Jose- Nice Signature

RE: E8 POY

I think it's too early to tell. If I had to say at this point, it's Keeley hands down - I don't find Boltus overly impressive to be honest.

At any rate, it's still too early for both POY and E8 champ in general. We need to see where we're at after the Hartwick implosion, and after Alfred's games vs. IC and Fisher.

[Tags]

Nothing? No debate? Not a peep? 


Well then I am off for the night, good talk....See ya out there. 

tough sub

[Tags]

Tags is officially beat.

Quarter Ends are not my friend.

Until tomorrow boys...

Tags & Jose at E8PP Headquarters discussing the acceptance of the new Hartwick posters:

[not so rowdy bomber]

Any IC posters know why Ithaca so unaggressive in recruiting efforts?

not sure. but its not just football.

when I went to Ithaca, my track coach tried talking me out of runnig.. almost yelling at me.  he kept saying just make sure "not to waste my time, and I wont waste yours..." meanwhile... I hadnt said anything yet.  I had finished right behind the state Champ for NY in the 800m dash that Spring... i didnt think I was wasting his time.

the soccer coach didnt even bat an eye at me either... despite the fact that I had won a national championship playing soccer in my junior year.  I guess I wasnt good enough for his team.  thats why I founded the club team the following spring.  it is kinda funny why i still chose to go to IC.

musta been the sweet 1-7's,  or watching Bomber football.. i dunno.  but i still love that place.

[Jonny Utah]

Its funny.   I remember one d3 school I looked at called me every single night basically wanting to know what they had to do to get me to that school.  Ithaca did not do that (Dont know if it just wasnt their style, or if they didnt want me as bad)  But I kind of looked at the big picture.   I knew Ithaca had good coaches and football teams, and just because they didnt call me every night, it didnt mean it wasnt a better school or football program for me.  And the coaches at the other d3 school were like "you wont play for Ithaca untill your junior or senior year, you will play here right away"  Was it a lie?  dont know, and didnt care.  Just believe in yourself and look at the big picture and rankings of the school you are looking at.  Or ask your guidance counselor for some help if you dont know what school is better.  A degree doesnt mean anything if you dont have the smarts or motivation anyway.

  I had a friend that played lacrosse at Nazereth in the mid/late 1990s when I was at Ithaca.  Now i know (and some of you know) that Naz had (and still has) some of the best lax in the country.  But now when he comes back to Boston to look for a job, no one had ever heard of the school (doesnt make it a bad school).  He doesnt regret the decision, and he won a couple of national championships, but he still thinks back sometimes and wished he went to a nescac or tried at a d1 school.

[fisheralum91]

light nite for the evening crew---
swamped today boys- have a good day and ill be on tomorrow.

[theicdubbz]

Okay gentlemen... looks like I can shed some light on this argument about financial aid.

I looked at Ivy league, Patriot league and some PSAC schools, obviously nothing panning out through them... however I would have been paying only a few thousand more through the Ivy leagues like Princeton and Penn.

My final three came down to Hobart, UR and Fisher... all were equal in cost give or take 1,000 dollars.

Never applied to Ithaca, St Lawrence was amazing but never gave them a real chance.

I know those aren't E8 schools I'm comparing but when it comes to financial aid I came to find out that every school is going to be somewhat similar if they want you.

The other schools I visited I don't remember the packages they offered because they weren't in my final decision making process.


Final thought... There is no cheating in getting more financial aid out there for athletes that are wanted by the staff and have the grades to get in.  I was fortunate enough to get money from all those schools because of my grades, they won't give out scholarships on sports alone... when it comes to D3 the grades are what can give you that extra aid to help...

Hope that helps a bit!

did Ithaca even look at you?

If they didn't, they probably wish they did. 

I know this topic has been put to bed, but found it interesting that
I was accepted and visited at least 20 schools, and alot more showed interest.  But anyways, never heard a thing from Ithaca, or RPI for that matter, 
best package was from Wilkes.  Best state school Brockport (by far) worst was Muhlenberg, SJF- excellent recruiting program
Any IC posters know why Ithaca so unaggressive in recruiting efforts?

Ithaca targets aggressivley who they want more than anyone else i think.

This topic is very interesting for IC football.  At every game I tend to ask a new bomber athlete that I had not talked to in previous tail gate sessions, their story about IC recruiting.  What is funny is that every single one has a different tale.  Some had Ang  recruting them and that simply did it.  Others had HS coaches linked to IC.  Some weren't even looked at until March of their Senior year, all he did was sent in video tape.  Turns out he ended up being one of the best OL's in bomber history.  Needless to say I think that Ithaca targets exactly who they want and the best athletes.  It also comes down to Fin. Aid packages.  Ithaca has to really target who they want and offer these specific packages because, unlike fisher, we dont have a boat load of $ to give away.  We give it to music majors and theatre kids.

My experiences with Ithaca and recruiting were very similiar to our  OL.  Penn St., Mansfield, Vassar, Colgate, and Canisious were my big 5 in HS.  But, IC had the best program in the country for my major.  I sent in my application, got accepted, and simply waited to make a decision.  It was April when the Bomber coach finally called.  He didnt look at me cus i was in NY, I know it.  every other kid at camp was from Conn. NH, RI, LI, NJ, or Virginia. Moron. I think our coaches target those states because they are economically better and the families there can afford IC flat out.

The best recruiter at IC is Coach Valesente.  That guy is known across the nation at any level.  I went to the MLB world baseball clinic/show where all sorts of legends presented and spoke.  No matter what level each coach was at they had heard of IC.  Tecmo can go into more detail about that.

[JQV]

This recruiting discussion is interesting.

First, JoseQ's experience:  I think my experience was unique because I didn't come from a place traditionally recruited by Northeast schools.  When I chose IC was between an offer from Jacksonville University (my only D1 offer), Hamilton, IC, and UF (obviously, not to play hoop).  I ended up choosing IC for a number of non-athletic reasons but, focusing specifically on athletics, I chose IC because I wanted to play ball and when I visited I thought that IC handled its Athletic Department the most like a southern university.

In response to the question about IC's recruiting efforts in football.  I think JU has most of the cause.  IC has been good about targeting prospects and not wasting time on kids that aren't going to get enough aid, aren't going to qualify academically, or aren't going to last 2-3 years in the program.  On occassion, this results in some misses on players but, generally, I think it works out.  IC's rising admissions standards has made it hard on coaches to find kids that fit the academic, financial, and athletic profile.  I am good with them not wasting time on players that won't come because of money, can't get in, or can't play.

Also, you have to figure all the upheavel on the coaching staff has really hurt recruiting in football.

[AUKaz00]

What i was getting at is that football, as compared to other sports, produces far fewer upsets.  

Isn't this just basic probability from 7th grade math?  Football, as compared to other sports, plays far fewer games.  Therefore, Football has significantly fewer opportunities for a game to end in an "upset."

I would guess, without checking, that football games end in an "upset" at a relatively similar percentage to other sports.

If football is so straight forward why do i keep losing money every weekend on my bets?  I must be missing something...

Because your bets are determined by point spreads, not pure w-l columns.  Also bc the people that make those lines are employed to make those lines for a living that influences millions of dollars.  They use stats, variables and plug them into lengthy equations that are much smarter than you or I and smile while they take our money.  THere is a reason that Las Vegas has not gone outta business.

Yea i get the concept ... I just took a sarcastic line to say that football isnt always so predictable that you can pick winners and losers soley based on a few factors ...ie - size, speed

Thinking about point spreads and Wick's winning streak, in the NFL home field advantage is said to be worth 3 points.  I would have to imagine that with D3 amateurs playing at home is worth at least as much is not slightly more.

Not to take anything away from Wick's two big wins over IC and SJF, but if home field advantage is worth 3 points then Wick, IC and SJF would be equal on a neutral site.  If it's worth more than Wick did a great job of holding on and taking advantage of their home field advantage.  

If we also say that the top 5 teams in the E8 are all relatively equal, then this Saterday's contest at Merrill Field would have to favor the Saxons by whatever home field advantage is worth (plus the 7 points that the pep band is worth).

So, when we break it down scientifically, it's Saxons by at least 10.  Now I hope Keeley and Co. prove me right.

[JQV]

Tags & Jose at E8PP Headquarters discussing the acceptance of the new Hartwick posters:

I'm Vin Diesel...right?

[chris7sarge]

What i was getting at is that football, as compared to other sports, produces far fewer upsets.  

Isn't this just basic probability from 7th grade math?  Football, as compared to other sports, plays far fewer games.  Therefore, Football has significantly fewer opportunities for a game to end in an "upset."

I would guess, without checking, that football games end in an "upset" at a relatively similar percentage to other sports.

If football is so straight forward why do i keep losing money every weekend on my bets?  I must be missing something...

Because your bets are determined by point spreads, not pure w-l columns.  Also bc the people that make those lines are employed to make those lines for a living that influences millions of dollars.  They use stats, variables and plug them into lengthy equations that are much smarter than you or I and smile while they take our money.  THere is a reason that Las Vegas has not gone outta business.

Yea i get the concept ... I just took a sarcastic line to say that football isnt always so predictable that you can pick winners and losers soley based on a few factors ...ie - size, speed

Thinking about point spreads and Wick's winning streak, in the NFL home field advantage is said to be worth 3 points.  I would have to imagine that with D3 amateurs playing at home is worth at least as much is not slightly more.

Not to take anything away from Wick's two big wins over IC and SJF, but if home field advantage is worth 3 points then Wick, IC and SJF would be equal on a neutral site.  If it's worth more than Wick did a great job of holding on and taking advantage of their home field advantage.  

If we also say that the top 5 teams in the E8 are all relatively equal, then this Saterday's contest at Merrill Field would have to favor the Saxons by whatever home field advantage is worth (plus the 7 points that the pep band is worth).

So, when we break it down scientifically, it's Saxons by at least 10.  Now I hope Keeley and Co. prove me right.

I love your logic

[theicdubbz]

I'm Vin Diesel...right?

I see Jose as more of a Jack type.

[JQV]

I'm Vin Diesel...right?

I see Jose as more of a Jack type.

+k. 

For the record...others have made a similar comparison.