FB: Empire 8

[realistic]

D)....but with a complimentary passing game.

if no passing game, then Robinson hands down

[superman57]

A) robinson hands down...


my logic is ... when Robinson was healthy fisher went to the NCAA's for the first time and was a bone head play away from going to the East Finals...and then the next year he was healthy he led Fisher to the NCAA Semi-Finals...who else from this line up has shown this much of an impact...

['gro]

Are any E8/LL teams running the west virginia spread/option?  It would be cool to see a D3 version of White and Slaton.

[SJFF82]

Oh you opportunistic IC posters...you entirely take the reference to Fisher's 'club' championships out of context in order to have something to bash us for.  It was simply brought up (not sure who anymore) as a reference point for how long Fisher has been around and how wrong all of the posters who claim they came from nowhere are.  Re-read the posts....nobody was bragging about it or comparing it to IC's grand accomplishments. 

For the record, it was the National Collegiate Football Association...I heard that they had pads and coaches and even played tackle...

[SJFF82]

All I was saying was for the level of football Fisher offered back in the 80's, we were at the absolute top of it.   What more could those players have done?  Seriously...

Ok so i didnt catch up on the 36 pages i missed but, fisher had football in the 80's?  I assume this is the club team everyone is talking about.   So they won the club nat. championship.  YAY!  then they decided to play real football and got monkey stomped for 12 years.  Now they can actually play football.   Good Job.  Here's a cookie.

Keep your cookie....we "monkey stomped" you 2 years in a row now...ha ha, you can't get me....

[FisherAlum05]

I agree with SJFF82.  IC guys, you have to remember that the Fisher program is still a young program in college football.  Teams like Ithaca and Alfred have had football for like 100 years or something.  I think the Fisher guys are just trying to point out that, for a young program, we have had some success on the gridiron.

And yes ICdubbz, you did "monkey stomp" us for 12 years.  But here is the problem for you:  We are going to monkey stomp you for years and years to come!  Haha.  Our facilities are better, we are affiliated with a professional football team, and the Rochester area is very centrally located.  Plus Rochester is alot more fun than Ithaca, sorry to say.  AND our staff is alot better at recruiting and we have the best up and coming program in NYS. 

I'm assuming this post will cause some drama but I have to defend my alma mater.  I'll be back later to see the consequences of my very opinionated post.

[SJFF82]

I agree with SJFF82.  IC guys, you have to remember that the Fisher program is still a young program in college football.  Teams like Ithaca and Alfred have had football for like 100 years or something.  I think the Fisher guys are just trying to point out that, for a young program, we have had some success on the gridiron.

And yes ICdubbz, you did "monkey stomp" us for 12 years.  But here is the problem for you:  We are going to monkey stomp you for years and years to come!  Haha.  Our facilities are better, we are affiliated with a professional football team, and the Rochester area is very centrally located.  Plus Rochester is alot more fun than Ithaca, sorry to say.  AND our staff is alot better at recruiting and we have the best up and coming program in NYS. 

I'm assuming this post will cause some drama but I have to defend my alma mater.  I'll be back later to see the consequences of my very opinionated post.

+k '05, you're going to need it

[FisherAlum05]

A national championship is a national championship.  

Unless its a club National Championship.

I'm not sure you can legitimately compare the small college football environment of the 40s and 50s to today.

Also, maybe Vosburgh put together some decent teams in the mid-1990s but that doesn't change my view of SJF's history at all.  Let's be honest here, its not like they have been on a gradual increase.  The teams they ran out in 1999, 2000, and 2001 were three of the very worst college football teams I have ever seen (sorry Upstate).  In fact, IC opened with Fisher at home my freshman year (1999), and I remember thinking just how far I had strayed from home (the SEC).  That team looked like they had open tryouts on like Wednesday before the game.  If they weren't wearing matching uniforms I would have thought it was a scrimmage.  They were just as bad as Utica's first team that included no seniors.

Jose, what you fail to grasp is that in the 1990's Fisher played independent football if I'm not mistaken.  The teams of 1999,2000, and 2001 were just getting started in a very tough E8 conference with some long standing traditional football programs like IC and Alfred.  And since we joined the E8, we HAVE been on a gradual increase.  And, its funny to think, that IC seems to be on a gradual decrease.  

Again I'm assuming some drop in Karma here.  It's ok though.  

[not so rowdy bomber]

I agree with SJFF82.  IC guys, you have to remember that the Fisher program is still a young program in college football.  Teams like Ithaca and Alfred have had football for like 100 years or something.  I think the Fisher guys are just trying to point out that, for a young program, we have had some success on the gridiron.

And yes ICdubbz, you did "monkey stomp" us for 12 years.  But here is the problem for you:  We are going to monkey stomp you for years and years to come!  Haha.  Our facilities are better, we are affiliated with a professional football team, and the Rochester area is very centrally located.  Plus Rochester is alot more fun than Ithaca, sorry to say.  AND our staff is alot better at recruiting and we have the best up and coming program in NYS. 

I'm assuming this post will cause some drama but I have to defend my alma mater.  I'll be back later to see the consequences of my very opinionated post.

NSRB is biased of course since he went to Ithaca.  But granted,  Fisher has done very well for being such a young program.  I think what it all comes down to is most of the IC posters just want to keep the "Fisher-ego"  in check despite our own short comings.  Its just our way of coping after losing.  Its nothing personal... well maybe it is, but not for Rowdy anyways.

Sure, everyone has to defend their respective alma matter, its only right.  Ithaca has been winning for a long time.  Its what we know, its what we've done.  We dont like to lose, especially to a young and well built program at a neighboring private school who fights for the same talent.  all in all, its what we do.. so just try to ignor our coping mechanisms after losing to hartwick and fisher... even though they were better than us. (oh man... did i really just say that?)

[FisherAlum05]

Wow, a humble and honest post from an IC fan.  NSRB, I'm liking you more and more all the time.  +k for the post.

I have to go back to work.  See you all later tonight, after the Yanks get done beating the Indians. 

[realistic]

defend your alma mater against what?

It was SJF guys who brought up this whole subject.  No one from IC or anywhere else has said anything unprovoked in weeks about SJF.  

Obviously they have been better the last 2 years.  There is no disputing that.

This whole thing came up when a SJF guy tried to cite an example of IC having down years.  It was in the 40s.  You guys try and stir up drama on here and say it's us who are doing it.

Furthermore there has been discussion the past few weeks about the effect the Bills have on SJF's success.  Last week everyone from SJF was trying to say it wasn't a reason for success or continued success.  Now it is your argument for why they will be better than IC for years to come.

I agree with a lot of what you guys say....but it seems like you are looking for arguments where there really aren't any.

[JQV]

Jose, what you fail to grasp is that in the 1990's Fisher played independent football if I'm not mistaken.  The teams of 1999,2000, and 2001 were just getting started in a very tough E8 conference with some long standing traditional football programs like IC and Alfred.  And since we joined the E8, we HAVE been on a gradual increase.  And, its funny to think, that IC seems to be on a gradual decrease. 

Again I'm assuming some drop in Karma here.  It's ok though. 

How does being an Independent affect my argument?  All three of IC's National Titles came while we were playing "Independent Football."  What exactly, don't I understand?

Also, a "very tough E8 Conference" in 1999, 2000, and 2001?  Let's forget for a minute that the E8 didn't sponsor football until 2002.  In the first year of the E8, the records of the conference members were:

Alfred 4-6, 1-3 E8
Utica 1-9, 0-4 E8
Fisher 6-2, 2-2 E8
Hartwick 8-2, 3-1 E8
IC 7-3, 4-0 E8

Aside from IC, who was coming off a run to the East Region Final the previous year, only Hartwick had a winning record the year before joining the conference.  It shoudl also be noted that 2002 was Utica's second year of Varsity football.

I am not sure the OAC was looking over its shoulder when the E8 formed in 2002.

Oh you opportunistic IC posters...you entirely take the reference to Fisher's 'club' championships out of context in order to have something to bash us for.  It was simply brought up (not sure who anymore) as a reference point for how long Fisher has been around and how wrong all of the posters who claim they came from nowhere are.  Re-read the posts....nobody was bragging about it or comparing it to IC's grand accomplishments. 

For the record, it was the National Collegiate Football Association...I heard that they had pads and coaches and even played tackle...

A national championship is a national championship.  

[AUPepBand]

I agree with SJFF82.  IC guys, you have to remember that the Fisher program is still a young program in college football.  Teams like Ithaca and Alfred have had football for like 100 years or something.  I think the Fisher guys are just trying to point out that, for a young program, we have had some success on the gridiron.

And yes ICdubbz, you did "monkey stomp" us for 12 years.  But here is the problem for you:  We are going to monkey stomp you for years and years to come!  Haha.  Our facilities are better, we are affiliated with a professional football team, and the Rochester area is very centrally located.  Plus Rochester is alot more fun than Ithaca, sorry to say.  AND our staff is alot better at recruiting and we have the best up and coming program in NYS. 

I'm assuming this post will cause some drama but I have to defend my alma mater.  I'll be back later to see the consequences of my very opinionated post.

Alfred University Football....112 Seasons of Wins and Losses...from the "Scoreless Wonders" in the 1920s to (Legendary) Coach Alex Yunevich's first year in 1937 with the Saxons going a perfect 7-0.....Back-to-Back Unbeaten Seasons in  1955 and 1956, when AU was declared National Small College Champion by the Washington, D.C. Touchdown Club.... losing 68-0 to Susquehanna in 1963 in Selinsgrove, then beating the Crusaders 18-16 in 1964 at Merrill Field (The Miracle at Merrill), not to mention the "Miracle at Geneva" when AU scored three TDs in the final six minutes to beat Hobart 28-21 in 1971 when the Saxons went on to win the Lambert Bowl with a perfect 8-0 slate, although snubbed by the Knute Rockne Bowl Committee in favor of an 8-1 Bridgeport team, which in 1973 was invited to Alfred where the Saxons took a last-minute 8-7 lead at a packed Merrill Field only to see a Bridgeport receiver push off two AU defenders, grab a pass at midfield and run to a TD with time expiring, giving Bridgeport a 14-8 win. Bridgeport, a long-time Ithaca opponent, dropped football shortly thereafter....Pep is just scratching the surface....Saxons making more memories in 2007.

GO SAXONS!!

[SJFF82]

defend your alma mater against what?

It was SJF guys who brought up this whole subject.  No one from IC or anywhere else has said anything unprovoked in weeks about SJF.  

Obviously they have been better the last 2 years.  There is no disputing that.

This whole thing came up when a SJF guy tried to cite an example of IC having down years.  It was in the 40s.  You guys try and stir up drama on here and say it's us who are doing it.

Furthermore there has been discussion the past few weeks about the effect the Bills have on SJF's success.  Last week everyone from SJF was trying to say it wasn't a reason for success or continued success.  Now it is your argument for why they will be better than IC for years to come.

I agree with a lot of what you guys say....but it seems like you are looking for arguments where there really aren't any.

You are not being very Realistic...the reference to IC'S down years was actually a response to my prior post indicating that MUC and IC are the two D3 programs that have been mainstays.   It was a statement of fact to correct what I had said...in any event, the whole conversation started with just some innocent Fisher history between myself and Booby...it had nothing to do with IC and still does not.  There was no drama until 'IC poster' started mocking SJF about its Club Championships....those are the facts...re-read.

[FisherAlum05]

defend your alma mater against what?

It was SJF guys who brought up this whole subject.  No one from IC or anywhere else has said anything unprovoked in weeks about SJF.  

Obviously they have been better the last 2 years.  There is no disputing that.

This whole thing came up when a SJF guy tried to cite an example of IC having down years.  It was in the 40s.  You guys try and stir up drama on here and say it's us who are doing it.

Furthermore there has been discussion the past few weeks about the effect the Bills have on SJF's success.  Last week everyone from SJF was trying to say it wasn't a reason for success or continued success.  Now it is your argument for why they will be better than IC for years to come.

I agree with a lot of what you guys say....but it seems like you are looking for arguments where there really aren't any.

Realisitc,

I myself have have never said the Bills don't have an effect on our success.  If the Fisher guys don't think it does they are mistaken.  The Bills are the main reason why we have what we have at SJF.  Incredible locker rooms, top notch training rooms, and a very nice weight training facility.  

When recruiting at SJF, the Buffalo Bills are a huge selling point.  It is one of the tools the coaching staff uses to lure great high school players from all around NYS.  

Plus, I can't understand why any Fisher posters would argue against that.  I take pride in the fact that the Bills train at our college, and embrace the fact that it helps bring in players to our program.  If IC had a pro team, they would get more players as well.  It's just a very appealing aspect at the D3 level of recruiting.

Alright, I have to go to coach football.  See ya'll later.