FB: Empire 8

[maxpower]

Love it. That one I actually think is funny, like, in a good way. +k.

[superman57]

ok... so I thought of something fun to do...I am going to compare the teams in the E8 to DI teams...

Ithaca-Florida State/Tennesee they were dominant a while back but since have had a hard time finding a quaterback of their dreams and are in the midst of a few down years for the program....


Alfred-Oregon always in it a little bit but has never made the big leap to the next level...

Springfield-not quite sure on this one anyone have any ideas...

Fisher-I don't want to be biased so someone else can throw out an idea...

Hartwick-Rutgers/Illinois a team that is capable of a few upsets but relys way to much on one or two players

Norwich-Stanford capable of an upset everyonce in awhile but has more important things to worry about than football

Utica-Florida Atlantic/Florida International-still very new to game give them some time and they will be there with the big boys

I think you're being too nice Super, but I like the idea. Jose is NOT going to like that you compared IC to Tenn, though...

Speaking of Jose, are you happy with the Rays' name change? Does this finally push them into contention? Or should they find another good starter? Kazmir, Shields, Sonnanstine +one more ain't too shabby, especially with the firm hold they've got on some good hitters. They can sure as hell be better than Baltimore next year....

Oh and in case it hasn't been said, GO YANKEES. A special good luck -k to Superman.

my original thought was just florida state...but I thought I would try to iritate Jose with the comment...in my mind Florida State is a pretty acurate comparison...they still harp on their NC's from a long time ago...

[SJFF82]

Love it. That one I actually think is funny, like, in a good way. +k.

BTW, you now have to get rid of the 'trophies' in your signature

[maxpower]

Love it. That one I actually think is funny, like, in a good way. +k.

BTW, you now have to get rid of the 'trophies' in your signature

Hey, just the facts. MP supports all IC sports.

[was6thstring]

Hey Max-You and I may be the only ones on here who know who Suzie Derkins is

[SJFF82]

Hey Max-You and I may be the only ones on here who know who Suzie Derkins is

Suzie Derkins???

[superman57]

alright guys I'm at -93 get me to -100 by the end of the night all togther now...

do I need to make fun of to get you to give me -k

[JQV]

my original thought was just florida state...but I thought I would try to iritate Jose with the comment...in my mind Florida State is a pretty acurate comparison...they still harp on their NC's from a long time ago...

You must be a big sports fan Super.  I can see how you think 1999 is a long time ago.  Hard to believe that FSU would "harp" on "their success from a long time ago," what with them finishing in the top 5 for 14 consecutive seasons from 1987-2000, something no other college football team has ever done.

It's funny, when I read Super's post I was also listening to today's edition of FSU vs. UF in the hallway (which takes place in every office in Florida every day this time of year).  I was thinking of the E8 in comparison to Southern football (becausee, really, is there any other legitimate D1 football in the country?) and I would place them like this:

Ithaca: I want to say UF, who recently played its centennial season, but a more apt analogy is 'Bama.  Long storied history of success, mostly surrounding one legendary coach, a NC as recently as the early to mid 1990s.  Rammer Jammer Bomber Hammer.

Fisher: Until 2003 I would have said Kentucky.  (Good hoop program that occassionally hits on a football recruit) but now I will turn and say FSU.  FSU is a relative new kid on the block when it comes to southern football.  Much like SJF, FSU was an all girls school until after WWII (I am just kidding, I know it was Naz, keep it in your pants 82).  FSU didn't have football until the war years and struggled some out of the gate before Saint Bobby strolled into town.  Fisher also is "new" to football but a budding star on the scene.

Alfred: The U.  Miami was a doormat until Howard Schnellenberger arrived and built one of the great defenses in college football history.  I know AU's history goes back much farther than Miami's but, the current incarnation of AU success can be traced back to the Brenton Brady led defense of 2003 or so.

Hartwick: USC (the real USC, not that commie factory on the left coast).  Do I really need to explain the similarities between 'Wick's O and the Cock-and-Fire (that is what SC is calling the Fun-n-Gun offense)?  Also, much like the Ol' Ballcoach, HC seems unwilling to recruit defensive players.  All the UF defenders from the Spurrier years were Offensive recruits that didn't work out ("Boy, you just can't catch the dadgum ball, go see if Bobby [as in Stoops] can do something with you.")

Springfield: Arkansas.  Gameplan- Do we even need a QB?  Another good analogy would be Tennessee.  Generally regarded as a premier program but is serially inconsistent as of late.  Also, both UT and SC have the ugliest coaches in their respective leagues.

Utica: Kentucky - Next year is always the year for Kentucky fans.  It's crazy but UK fans may just be the most optimistic people on earth.

Norwich: VMI - Both "military" schools despite not being affiliated with any particular branch of the military.  Both get their heads stepped on every week.

[dewcrew88]

I agree with SJFF82.  IC guys, you have to remember that the Fisher program is still a young program in college football.  Teams like Ithaca and Alfred have had football for like 100 years or something.  I think the Fisher guys are just trying to point out that, for a young program, we have had some success on the gridiron.

And yes ICdubbz, you did "monkey stomp" us for 12 years.  But here is the problem for you:  We are going to monkey stomp you for years and years to come!  Haha.  Our facilities are better, we are affiliated with a professional football team, and the Rochester area is very centrally located.  Plus Rochester is alot more fun than Ithaca, sorry to say.  AND our staff is alot better at recruiting and we have the best up and coming program in NYS. 

I'm assuming this post will cause some drama but I have to defend my alma mater.  I'll be back later to see the consequences of my very opinionated post.

'05... Your logic is bogus. Just because Ralph Wilson decided to put the Bills in Rochester for training camp at SJF, that doesn't mean that they will automatically get the best recruits because there is a professional football team that practices there! It helps in the money end of it -- more money for recruiting in general, more for facilities, etc., but just because the Bills are there doesn't make them a better football team.

[maxpower]

Good work Jose. +k

[superman57]

good job jose...but I would give Ithaca more than Bama... I would say Ithaca is closer to Miami than Alfred is... can Utica be Duke


and you just gave me my answer for Fisher-Louisville...new to the game...has a lot of power but is also still dealing with growing pains

[JQV]

good job jose...but I would give Ithaca more than Bama... I would say Ithaca is closer to Miami than Alfred is... can Utica be Duke


and you just gave me my answer for Fisher-Louisville...new to the game...has a lot of power but is also still dealing with growing pains

Louisville's run is already over.  That is a basketball school.

Also, I don't think Duke has football.  Let me check.  Nope, no football.  Also, I was trying to limit it to southern schools, so I wouldn't include a Yankee outpost spying on us.

[dewcrew88]

ok... so I thought of something fun to do...I am going to compare the teams in the E8 to DI teams...

Ithaca-Florida State/Tennesee they were dominant a while back but since have had a hard time finding a quaterback of their dreams and are in the midst of a few down years for the program....


Alfred-Oregon always in it a little bit but has never made the big leap to the next level...

Springfield-not quite sure on this one anyone have any ideas...

Fisher-I don't want to be biased so someone else can throw out an idea...

Hartwick-Rutgers/Illinois a team that is capable of a few upsets but relys way to much on one or two players

Norwich-Stanford capable of an upset everyonce in awhile but has more important things to worry about than football

Utica-Florida Atlantic/Florida International-still very new to game give them some time and they will be there with the big boys

Here's my thought (here's a nickel, I want three cents back)

Ithaca = Florida State. Always good, has the national titles in the past, but has been down a little bit recently. But always will reload, rather than rebuild, and has one of the best coaches in the country (Bowden and Mike Welch).

Alfred = Notre Dame. Has the ability to be one of the best teams in the country, but has struggled bad in the past. While Alfred has turned it around the past few seasons, Notre Dame has stunk recently, but they are almost always in the hunt for bowl games and national titles, even if the last one was in 1988.

Springfield = West Virginia. Almost always good, runs all over the field (Made me sick as a Syracuse fan Saturday) ... passing game leaves a little to be desired, but it doesn't matter most of the time because they run for a million yards. Almost always in national prominence picture.

Fisher = Syracuse, but in reverse. Syracuse used to be awesome, won a national championship about 50 years ago ("a championship is still a championship") and had been good up until about 2000 or so. Fisher was horrid as a young program but has lifted up to national prominence every year. Both teams have had a situation where it doesn't matter who was running the ball, they were getting a lot of yards (Syracuse -- Floyd Little, Larry Csonka (I think), Ernie Davis, Jim Brown, etc. etc.; Fisher-- Mark Robinson, James Reile, Ryan Hanson, etc. etc.)

Hartwick = Hawaii or BYU. Great system, great system quarterback, but can they be the man in a big spot on a consistent basis

Norwich = Air Force, Army, Navy. As soopa said, they have an OK program and have had a good program before, but they have much more important things to worry about than football.

Utica = Hard to compare Utica since the program is so new, but I would compare them to a Connecticut maybe. Not in the big time conference for very long, but despite struggling, has had a couple good seasons. Not good enough yet to compete with the top group, but will very soon.

[msarge7]

As a Yankee fan, I listen to people complain all the time that George is buying success.  My response as a Yankee fan, "WHO CARES"!!  I don't care why they win, in the words of Al Davis, "Just win, baby".  This sounds like the same arguement that people are throwing at the SJF program (the Bills building the Fisher program).  And I would say the response would be the same, "Who cares", "Just win, baby".

[maxpower]

Dew, interested in why you think Welchy is one of the best in the country.