FB: Empire 8

[BoSox0322]

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

[Yanks 99]

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

How do they measure strength of schedule?  If you are using opponents winning percentage (assuming E8 opponents are a wash), Hartwick's out of conference opponents combined winning percentage is .391 (Becker 1-4, Husson 4-2, WNEC 2-4, Mount Ida 2-4).  Fisher's out of conference opponents combined winning percentage is .300 (Kings 0-5, Brockport 2-3, Rochester 2-3, and Buff State 2-3).  There is still a lot of football left to play.

One thing thay might help 'Wick big time with strength of schedule is Husson.  While some on here give them a hard time, right now they are 4-2 with winnable games left against SUNY-Maritine (2-4) and Becker (1-4) and a game with Alfred that they probably won't win.  That would put them at 6-3 overall.  My bet is that none of the out of conference schools that Fisher plays will end their season over .500, with maybe Brockport being the exception.  That Husson win may turn out to be huge...

[BoSox0322]

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

How do they measure strength of schedule?  If you are using opponents winning percentage (assuming E8 opponents are a wash), Hartwick's out of conference opponents combined winning percentage is .391 (Becker 1-4, Husson 4-2, WNEC 2-4, Mount Ida 2-4).  Fisher's out of conference opponents combined winning percentage is .300 (Kings 0-5, Brockport 2-3, Rochester 2-3, and Buff State 2-3).  There is still a lot of football left to play.

One thing thay might help 'Wick big time with strength of schedule is Husson.  While some on here give them a hard time, right now they are 4-2 with winnable games left against SUNY-Maritine (2-4) and Becker (1-4) and a game with Alfred that they probably won't win.  That would put them at 6-3 overall.  My bet is that none of the out of conference schools that Fisher plays will end their season over .500, with maybe Brockport being the exception.  That Husson win may turn out to be huge...

yea but is the loss to WNEC just as huge?

[Yanks 99]

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

How do they measure strength of schedule?  If you are using opponents winning percentage (assuming E8 opponents are a wash), Hartwick's out of conference opponents combined winning percentage is .391 (Becker 1-4, Husson 4-2, WNEC 2-4, Mount Ida 2-4).  Fisher's out of conference opponents combined winning percentage is .300 (Kings 0-5, Brockport 2-3, Rochester 2-3, and Buff State 2-3).  There is still a lot of football left to play.

One thing thay might help 'Wick big time with strength of schedule is Husson.  While some on here give them a hard time, right now they are 4-2 with winnable games left against SUNY-Maritine (2-4) and Becker (1-4) and a game with Alfred that they probably won't win.  That would put them at 6-3 overall.  My bet is that none of the out of conference schools that Fisher plays will end their season over .500, with maybe Brockport being the exception.  That Husson win may turn out to be huge...

yea but is the loss to WNEC just as huge?

No question...just skipping a whole bunch of steps and going to SOS to produce some discussion...

Nothing is going to be decided until the last week of the season.  Alfred doesn't even play Ithaca or Fisher until weeks #9 and #10 respectively.

[BoSox0322]

A little self-promotion...
My ATR column is up and live.

Hey good write up ... just curious about the reasoning behind Ithaca at 10 and Hartwick out?

[JQV]

Nice ATR DC even though I am a little sorry to see that you caved to the pressure from the DJAC posters.  Hopefully that TCNJ column was in the hopper long before they rattled the DC cage.

Someone commented a few pages back about DC's prediction that the E8 will only get one team in, and I have to agree.  I think two things hurt the eventual E8 runner up: 1)  The parity at the top of the conference all but    guarantees the runner up will finish with two losses; and 2) On the whole, the E8's OOC schedule/results are pretty unimpressive.

Fisher getting the Auto is really the only situation where I can foresee the E8 getting a Pool C because that is the last remaining possibility in which the runner up will have one loss (Alfred).

If Alfred holds on the for the Auto then we are basically out for a Pool C:

IC or Fisher will have two losses, one of which will be to Hartwick. 

Hartwick will have at least two losses, one of which was to WNEC, which basically rules them out of the playoffs.

SC may have a shot with 2 losses because their losses will have come to a good OOC team on the road and the eventual conference champ, but I think it is a longshot for them to win out.

[AUKaz00]

Just to add to the SoS tie-breaker discussion, Alfred's 3 OOC opponents are currently 7-9 (Thiel 2-4, St. Lawrence 2-3, Hobart 3-2) though Alfred still has to play Hobart in Geneva.

There's sure to be a lot of excitement and axiety before the E8 is decided.  I'm obviously hoping for Springfield to beat Fisher and Hartwick, but lose to Ithaca.  A boy can dream, can't he?

[maxpower]

RPI > Ithaca. In science only.

Also:

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

So you're going to call someone out for not providing context on a team's record... by providing four team records with equally absent context? What if all four of those teams played Mount Union? If one of the methods is worthless, they all are; I'm betting on the latter.


Also, nice ATR column dew. I reluctantly agree about the Hartwick snub, though. Their offense went insane at Alfred; most games that'd be good enough to win.

[chris7sarge]

Lets not forget that it is possible that AU could win its remaining games and lose to SJF.  In this scenario, SJF could win out and AU would be 9-1 and with all the variables that go into the AQ, SJF could win the conference, correct?  If this happens, then there is no doubt that AU still gets in.

Maybe I am off with those variables that decide the AQ however.  I'm just throwing out possible scenarios in my head and trying to cover all bases.

[John McGraw]

Lets not forget that it is possible that AU could win its remaining games and lose to SJF.  In this scenario, SJF could win out and AU would be 9-1 and with all the variables that go into the AQ, SJF could win the conference, correct?  If this happens, then there is no doubt that AU still gets in.

Maybe I am off with those variables that decide the AQ however.  I'm just throwing out possible scenarios in my head and trying to cover all bases.

If they both finish with one conference loss, St. John Fisher would get in by virtue of a head-to-head win. This happened last year with Fisher and Springfield both ending with the same conference record. Springfield got the auto bid because they won the head-to-head meeting. 

[boobyhasgameyo]

I just wanted to get in on page number 1700.  I don't have anything to really say.  Go Fisher!!

[fan of d3]

hey pride

[AUKaz00]

I was thinking while driving back from dropping Mrs. Kaz00 and Kaz00, Jr. at the airport this morning about the strength of the top 5 in the E8.  I would say that Fisher has a top 10 team nationally this year and Alfred is a top 20 team.  After that, where do Hartwick, Ithaca and Springfield fall?  Top 40?  Top 50?

I would say that all 5 are top 50 teams this year, but I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks or is this just a bunch of rubbish and not worthy of debating?

[fan of d3]

Its all rubbish.   You could make claims for top 40 for all of them but they all have their downfalls.

Yes Wick beat SJF and IC but someone would say well what about wnec.  IC has 2 losses albeit one to top 10 team, SC has 2 losses as well after a tough 4 game stretch but both were to top 25.  I think we know they have the potential to be top 25 teams but you gotta put it all together

[Saxon73]

After reading dewcrew's fine article, something struck me.  Yes Boltus' mega yardage is worthy of note so I check Keeley's stats and found a 79% completion report.  Actually, higher if you consider the two interceptions were completions but to the wrong guys.