FB: Empire 8

[superman57]

'57- sorry I missed you at the B'port game if you drove in for that. I didn't end up going over.

no worries...I drove in for alumni weekend on friday night...I got my thunder stix...and then I went home at the first lightining strike because I was wet, cold and had to work in the morning... next time

[SJFF82]

bed time...rest in pieces Hartwick...

[AUPepBand]

Mayberry is one of those places in which you would say "Yes, it's a great place to ... visit"

Pep has deep roots in Saxonville soil. Pep long ago was sentenced to life in Alfred. Pep gets occasional weekends on parole. But life is good in Mayberry.

I know Pep, lest we forget where I'm from.

Mt. Pilot?

[admirals_vt]

They are voting on scores they read.

And the opponents' records, and the location of the games.

Frankly we could go round and round concerning polls. A couple of examples if polls are based on results for a particular year:

1. There shouldn't be a preseason poll since no games have been played yet. What is it based on?

2. In the first week of the season any team in the top 25 beaten by a team out of the rankings should be replaced by that team, right? If the poll is based on this years results.

Like I said we could go round and round and it gives us topics for discussion, but the great thing about DIII is it is actually decided on the field.

Best thing about polls is that 'Wick aint in any of them...sorry couldnt resist

admrial...you might want to shut your mout as your first game this year Wick got routed by WNEC...who is now in the basement of the NEFC...yes the NEFC

I'll shut my mout old man just as soon as you learn how to spelt it.

thanks tags...but he didn't respond to my post he just tried to find something else...his logic is flawed...


and jeez if you will infact shut your mouth and leave if I learn how to spell...then hooked on phonics works for me...

Do you actually read the post, my comments were in regards to polls in general, not Hartwick. I don't think there is anyone on this site that doesn't know that Hartwick lost to WNEC or knows that Hartwick beat SJF. You can keep living in the past or move on to guestimating the future.

[superman57]

I read your post and before your post I thought you were an idiot. During your post I thought you were an idiot, and after your post I thought you were a moron.  See, I can spell and use gramer if I want to!

[admirals_vt]

Don't pay any attention to 57, admiral. He likes to rustle one's feathers.

Regarding polls: Pep says a team is only as good as its next game. Doesn't make any difference what the polls say. While it's nice for AU to finally get some "recognition" and Pep is happy for the team, nothing really changes. The Saxons need to go out and give it all they got the next Saterday, same as always.

On Saxon Warriors!

Yeah I kinda got caught up there for a second. I didn't think he got that minus 91 Karma by accident.

[superman57]

Don't pay any attention to 57, admiral. He likes to rustle one's feathers.

Regarding polls: Pep says a team is only as good as its next game. Doesn't make any difference what the polls say. While it's nice for AU to finally get some "recognition" and Pep is happy for the team, nothing really changes. The Saxons need to go out and give it all they got the next Saterday, same as always.

On Saxon Warriors!

Yeah I kinda got caught up there for a second. I didn't think he got that minus 91 Karma by accident.

If you had been here since the begining, then you would realize that after awhile I decided that Karma was stupid and a popularity contest, so I asked for -k if you liked what I said, and the E8 has listened as my karma has dropped about 40 points since I asked for -k

[superman57]

anyone else watching Pitt-Navy

[FisherAlum05]

RPI > Ithaca. In science only.

Also:

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

So you're going to call someone out for not providing context on a team's record... by providing four team records with equally absent context? What if all four of those teams played Mount Union? If one of the methods is worthless, they all are; I'm betting on the latter.


Also, nice ATR column dew. I reluctantly agree about the Hartwick snub, though. Their offense went insane at Alfred; most games that'd be good enough to win.

No... it was my rebuttle to his comment that Hartwicks out of conference sucked... i was just saying its not like theirs was outwardly impressive

Cannot just compare the records of those OOC teams.  UR, Buff State and B-port's records are the result of much tougher competition than that of Mt Ida, Becker, etc...  Buff State beat Cortland for example.  Does either Becker, Mt Ida, Husson or Western NE have a win or even an opponent of that quality?

Brockport beat Cortland.  However, Buff State only lost by 3 so your point is well taken. 

Exactly right.  Hartwicks non-conference opponents do have a .390 winning percentage.  While Fishers opponents only have a .300 winning percentage to this point.  But, If I'm not mistaken, SOS is not only based on your opponents records, but the records of your opponents opponents.  Does that make any sense?  Haha.

Like someone said:  Husson, Becker, WNEC, and Mt. Ida just might finish with a higher winning percentage than that of Kings, Rochester, Buffalo State, and Brockport.  BUT, these teams play in much tougher conferences against mucher tougher competition.  Thus, the SOS for these teams will be higher than Hartwicks weaker opponents. 

Am I mistaken or is this true?

[superman57]

ok give super some time...but he will compile the winning % of hartwick and their opponents and fisher and their opponents...

[superman57]

wick's oppenents and their oppenents have a record of 58-60 (not including fisher and fisher opps...) but I'm sure I'm wrong here because I included teams more than once... I will do fisher probably tommorow night too much time

[BoSox0322]

RPI > Ithaca. In science only.

Also:

i guess im confused---If fisher wins out--they would most likely be tied with AU and possibly Hartwick---if wick beats springfield...
who gets the e8?

We talked about this a few days ago actually.  It is very possible that a 3-way tie could occur at the top of the E8.  Then, all sorts of things come into play to determine the AQ.

Scores vs. the 5,6,and 7 teams at the bottom of the conference.
Strength of Schedule Index
And some other crap I cant remember...

My guess is, that if Fisher finishes at 9-1 (5-1), Alfred at 9-1 (5-1), and Hartwick at 8-2 (5-1), Hartwick will most likely be left out of the big dance.  Either Fisher or Alfred will get the AQ, with the other getting a Pool C bid.  Hartwick's strength of schedule would be the key if this happens.  Their non-conference slate includes Western New England, Husson, Becker, and Mt. Ida.  Thats pretty weak.  Husson is competitive, but the other 3 are terrible (although WNE beat Hartwick somehow).  Fisher's non-conference slate includes Kings, Buffalo State, Rochester, and Brockport. 

King's  0 - 5  Buff State 2 -3  Rochester 2-3  Port 2 - 3

I'm just sayin ....

So you're going to call someone out for not providing context on a team's record... by providing four team records with equally absent context? What if all four of those teams played Mount Union? If one of the methods is worthless, they all are; I'm betting on the latter.


Also, nice ATR column dew. I reluctantly agree about the Hartwick snub, though. Their offense went insane at Alfred; most games that'd be good enough to win.

No... it was my rebuttle to his comment that Hartwicks out of conference sucked... i was just saying its not like theirs was outwardly impressive

Cannot just compare the records of those OOC teams.  UR, Buff State and B-port's records are the result of much tougher competition than that of Mt Ida, Becker, etc...  Buff State beat Cortland for example.  Does either Becker, Mt Ida, Husson or Western NE have a win or even an opponent of that quality?

you are starting a conversation that we just agreed was stupid...so i am tapping out

[BoSox0322]

They are voting on scores they read.

And the opponents' records, and the location of the games.

Frankly we could go round and round concerning polls. A couple of examples if polls are based on results for a particular year:

1. There shouldn't be a preseason poll since no games have been played yet. What is it based on?

2. In the first week of the season any team in the top 25 beaten by a team out of the rankings should be replaced by that team, right? If the poll is based on this years results.

Like I said we could go round and round and it gives us topics for discussion, but the great thing about DIII is it is actually decided on the field.

come on guy

[BoSox0322]

They are voting on scores they read.

And the opponents' records, and the location of the games.

Frankly we could go round and round concerning polls. A couple of examples if polls are based on results for a particular year:

1. There shouldn't be a preseason poll since no games have been played yet. What is it based on?

2. In the first week of the season any team in the top 25 beaten by a team out of the rankings should be replaced by that team, right? If the poll is based on this years results.

Like I said we could go round and round and it gives us topics for discussion, but the great thing about DIII is it is actually decided on the field.

Best thing about polls is that 'Wick aint in any of them...sorry couldnt resist

admrial...you might want to shut your mout as your first game this year Wick got routed by WNEC...who is now in the basement of the NEFC...yes the NEFC

so that means that fisher is worse than WNEC... thats the logic right  ...we beat you they beat us ....

[boobyhasgameyo]

I don't think that was the logic being used at all, I think he was just saying you guys got beat by a horrible team.