FB: Empire 8

[Yanks 99]

ok Mt. Ida...Husson and becker are all Independents..you know what never mind...I give up... Hartwick is the greatest team ever and we should all just roll over and see if they can throw for 600 yards at MUC

Yeah...because there are a TON of 'Wick fans screaming that we are the best team ever on here.  God help us if we don't all bow down to the greatness that is Fisher...

[theicdubbz]

+K Yanks for stayin on after a Loss. 

Hope your Yankee jersey has Jeters name on it as he is the only yankee safe in 08.

[JQV]

+K Yanks for stayin on after a Loss. 

I'll match Dubbz' +k and agree that Super is overreacting.

I'll also throw this out there.  Is Super's hypersensitivity to Hartwick's success more evidence that the Fish faithful are still getting used to dealing with success?

[fisheralum91]

dear god jose---super is one guy spouting.
fisher faithful on a whole has been rather even keeled on most things.

[JQV]

dear god jose---super is one guy spouting.
fisher faithful on a whole has been rather even keeled on most things.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with that point, just asking the question.

[fisheralum91]

i guess from the looks of things --there are a couple of every fan base on here that are a little off base.

ill give ya that much

[superman57]

the comment about wick is not at all directed towards Yanks or BoSox as I like the two of them and they make great posts...My comment is directed towards Adrmial...so I apologize to bosox and yanks for lumping you in that comment  and no I have no issue with wick beating fisher...

[superman57]

just to show no hard feelings +K all around

[superman57]

ok since no one is talking...did anyone else see ESPNs list of 50 greatest moments in LCS history...

[SJFF82]

I have no issue with wick beating fisher...

I do...I wish that they had not.

[SJFF82]

SM57...do I get retroactive "+k all around"

[BoSox0322]

the comment about wick is not at all directed towards Yanks or BoSox as I like the two of them and they make great posts...My comment is directed towards Adrmial...so I apologize to bosox and yanks for lumping you in that comment  and no I have no issue with wick beating fisher...

how many yards did sharpe have receiving this week?

[SJFF82]

the comment about wick is not at all directed towards Yanks or BoSox as I like the two of them and they make great posts...My comment is directed towards Adrmial...so I apologize to bosox and yanks for lumping you in that comment  and no I have no issue with wick beating fisher...

how many yards did sharpe have receiving this week?

Who is Sharpe?

[SJFF82]

Oh yeah, he's the guy that rushed for 7 TD's against us last year

[FisherAlum05]

Exactly right.  Hartwicks non-conference opponents do have a .390 winning percentage.  While Fishers opponents only have a .300 winning percentage to this point.  But, If I'm not mistaken, SOS is not only based on your opponents records, but the records of your opponents opponents.  Does that make any sense?  Haha.

Like someone said:  Husson, Becker, WNEC, and Mt. Ida just might finish with a higher winning percentage than that of Kings, Rochester, Buffalo State, and Brockport.  BUT, these teams play in much tougher conferences against mucher tougher competition.  Thus, the SOS for these teams will be higher than Hartwicks weaker opponents. 

Am I mistaken or is this true?

Just throwing this around for arguements sake and because I am bored...

SOS and teams that play in "tougher" conferences is pretty much relative.  Because of the AQ, most of the teams out there play in conferences.  Because, in general, these leagues will have a top to bottom outcome, usually records are similar between league champions and bottom feeders.  Example...clearly by everyone's standard the NJAC and Empire 8 have a stronger conference overall then NEFC.  But if you match the record of the first place team's from the E8, NJAC, and NEFC at the end of the year, you will see their records are very similar...with 0-2 losses at the most.  Same thing for the guys in the basement from all 3 leagues...with anywhere from 1-3 wins.

Obviously, I am not saying that the NEFC has a stronger conference then the E8 or NJAC.  If I ever do, I will order mandatory drug testing for myself.  But because this is D3...you can only take a look at overall records, and NOT use the standard "well we know this team is better then this team" because they played 2 more teams ranked in the "notional" top 25, or because they are in a "stronger" conference.

Yanks99,

I do understand your logic in regards to conference teams finishing with similar records from top to bottom.  
But, like Soopa57 said, only one of Hartwicks non-conference opponents is a conference team and that is WNEC.  Mt. Ida, Becker, and Husson are all independent football teams.  They play alot of games against other independent teams (which have poor records) and against conference bottom-feeders like (also with poor records).  Sure, they do play some games against conference teams but not enough to strengthen Hartwicks resume.  

Example:  Becker plays other independent teams like Mt. Ida, Husson, Gallaudet, SUNY Maritime.  They also played perennial bottom feeders like Utica and Hartwick (which isn't true this year, but who knew that would be?).  They do play Salisbury though.  Mt. Ida plays other independents like SUNY Maritime, SUNY Morrisville, Becker, Husson, and Gallaudet.  They also play bottom feeders like Utica, Norwich, and Plymouth State (they are having a good year however).

Fisher plays Kings, Rochester, Buff State, and Brockport.  Look at the teams they are playing against.  Brockports schedule is absurdly tough with games against Salisbury, Wesley, Cortland, Fisher, Ithaca, Springfield, and Buffalo State.  Buffalo State schedule is tough as well.  They play Fisher, Cortland, Kean, Montclair State, Rowan, West Conn, TCNJ, and Brockport.  Rochester plays Carnegie Mellon, Fisher, Union, RPI, and Hobart.  Kings plays a tough schedule as well with games against Fisher, Ithaca, Hampden Sydney, Del Valley, Widener, Albright, and Wilkes.  

All in all, I would say that Fisher's opponents play much tougher competition than that of Hartwick's opponents.  And the records of Fisher's opponents opponents will probably be much higher than those of Hartwicks's opponents opponents (WOW that is complicated but I think it makes sense).