FB: Empire 8

Frank Rossi · October 23, 2007, 06:36:04 PM

Pool C
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(Edit: Note that there are 22 Pool A (Auto) Bids, 3 Pool B Bids and 7 Pool C (Runner-Up) Bids this season.)

After eliminating teams with more than two regional losses and eliminating teams that are in control of their own destiny with two regional losses -- and applying a subjective approach to a couple teams based on conference strength and schedule strength (namely, Thomas More and Albright -- I'll explain this later), there are 61 teams remaining in the Pool C hunt, including conference leaders who could fall back into Pool C positions. In the following chart, I have eliminated teams from conferences that will likely not have more than one representative (i.e., Pool A only) -- and those conferences are: 1) IBC, 2) MAC, 3) MWC, 4) MIAA and 5) USAC. That means that instead of 32 playoff slots below, there remain 27 slots.

In the "Notes" column, I have included an "A" for a team leading its conference, an "A*" for a team tied for its conference lead, a "B*" for Pool B teams that are likely ahead of the pack for consideration (only three of these teams will win Pool B slots, however) -- and whenever an "S" follows (whether or not in parentheses), there is a team not represented on this list that could play "spoiler." In this case, a spoiler could win the Pool A bid out from under the favorite(s) of that conference. In many cases, the team that is on this chart would default back to favorite for Pool C status based on the height most teams with "A" or "A*" are at on this chart currently. The conferences in which this could play out are: 1) ASC, 2) CCIW, 3) HCAC, 4) LL, 5) NCAC, 6) NEFC (less likely), 7) ODAC, and 8 ) SCIAC

The teams are not ranked by any power ranking, except that they are placed in Regional W/L% (reverse order), and then sorted by OWP (reverse order) to provide some relative comparison ability. However, as I continue to say, the OWP will either have to be abandoned in several instances by the Committee (such as in the Plymouth State case), or we're going to have some ugly debates after Selection Sunday based on how the numbers currently line up.

Summarizing, UP TO 27 of the following teams will reach the NCAA Playoffs, although it is likely that no less than 19 of these teams will be dancing after the final game. Here is the chart:

Team Conf. Reg. W/L % W/L % Conf. % OWP OOWP Note
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Salisbury Pool B 4-0 1.000 8-0 1.000 2-0 1.000 0.692 0.458 B*

Wabash NCAC 7-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 5-0 1.000 0.605 0.539 A(S)

UW-Whitewater WIAC 6-0 1.000 6-1 0.857 5-0 1.000 0.604 0.562 A*

Wheaton (Ill.) CCIW 7-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 4-0 1.000 0.583 0.597 A*S

Central IIAC 7-0 1.000 8-0 1.000 6-0 1.000 0.538 0.599 A*

Mary Hardin-Baylor ASC 7-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 6-0 1.000 0.531 0.525 A*S

St. John's MIAC 7-0 1.000 8-0 1.000 6-0 1.000 0.519 0.615 A*

Alfred E8 7-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 4-0 1.000 0.467 0.601 A

Muhlenberg CC 7-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 5-0 1.000 0.454 0.615 A

Curry NEFC 8-0 1.000 8-0 1.000 5-0 1.000 0.440 0.545 A*S

Washington & Jeff. PAC 4-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 3-0 1.000 0.407 0.619 A*

Mount Union OAC 7-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 6-0 1.000 0.405 0.541 A

Waynesburg PAC 6-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 4-0 1.000 0.369 0.551 A*

Case Western Reserve Pool B 5-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 1-0 1.000 0.357 0.558 B*

RPI LL 6-0 1.000 6-0 1.000 4-0 1.000 0.344 0.559 A*S

Occidental SCIAC 6-0 1.000 6-0 1.000 4-0 1.000 0.261 0.551 A*S

St. John Fisher E8 7-1 0.875 7-1 0.875 3-1 0.750 0.483 0.588

Plymouth State NEFC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 4-1 0.800 0.616 0.482

Washington U. Pool B 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 1-0 1.000 0.609 0.542 B*

Wartburg IIAC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 5-0 1.000 0.569 0.598 A*

Franklin HCAC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 4-0 1.000 0.569 0.506 A*S

Capital OAC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 5-1 0.833 0.552 0.563

Bethel MIAC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 5-0 1.000 0.538 0.592 A*

Millsaps SCAC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 5-0 1.000 0.514 0.490 A

Mt. St. Joseph HCAC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 4-1 0.800 0.500 0.523

Dickinson CC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 4-1 0.800 0.476 0.596

Randolph-Macon ODAC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 3-0 1.000 0.433 0.649 A(S)

Bridgewater (Va.) ODAC 6-1 0.857 6-1 0.857 2-1 0.667 0.407 0.564

Wesley Pool B 5-1 0.833 7-1 0.875 3-0 1.000 0.767 0.547 B*

New Jersey NJAC 5-1 0.833 6-1 0.857 4-0 1.000 0.633 0.496 A*

Trinity (Texas) SCAC 5-1 0.833 6-1 0.857 3-1 0.750 0.483 0.513

Cortland State NJAC 5-1 0.833 6-1 0.857 5-0 1.000 0.433 0.577 A*

Ursinus CC 5-1 0.833 6-1 0.857 4-1 0.800 0.234 0.624

Redlands SCIAC 4-1 0.800 5-1 0.833 2-1 0.667 0.640 0.436

UW-Stevens Point WIAC 3-1 0.750 6-1 0.857 3-1 0.750 0.512 0.561

Rockford Pool B 6-2 0.750 6-2 0.750 0-0 0.000 0.382 0.447

Moravian CC 6-2 0.750 6-2 0.750 4-2 0.667 0.321 0.573

St. Olaf MIAC 5-2 0.714 6-2 0.750 4-2 0.667 0.648 0.582

North Central CCIW 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 3-1 0.750 0.633 0.543

Dubuque IIAC 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 3-2 0.600 0.627 0.530

Wittenberg NCAC 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 3-1 0.750 0.617 0.550

Hartwick E8 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 2-1 0.667 0.585 0.480

Montclair State NJAC 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 2-2 0.500 0.576 0.581

Pacific Lutheran Pool B 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 2-2 0.500 0.557 0.506

Ohio Northern OAC 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 4-2 0.667 0.552 0.538

Carthage CCIW 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 2-2 0.500 0.531 0.541

Northwestern (Minn.) Pool B 5-2 0.714 6-2 0.750 0-0 0.000 0.522 0.444

Hobart LL 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 4-1 0.800 0.510 0.521

Maryville (Tenn.) USAC 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 2-2 0.500 0.476 0.471

John Carroll OAC 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 4-2 0.667 0.457 0.548

Mississippi Colllege ASC 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 3-2 0.600 0.446 0.553

Ithaca E8 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 2-2 0.500 0.432 0.592

Allegheny NCAC 5-2 0.714 5-2 0.714 3-1 0.750 0.362 0.527

Rhodes SCAC 4-2 0.667 5-2 0.714 3-1 0.750 0.594 0.511

DePauw SCAC 4-2 0.667 5-2 0.714 3-2 0.600 0.489 0.480

Washington and Lee ODAC 4-2 0.667 4-2 0.667 2-2 0.500 0.486 0.496

Chapman Pool B 4-2 0.667 4-2 0.667 0-0 0.000 0.464 0.544

Rowan NJAC 4-2 0.667 4-3 0.571 2-2 0.500 0.444 0.542

Sul Ross State ASC 4-2 0.667 5-2 0.714 3-2 0.600 0.434 0.510

Crown Pool B 4-2 0.667 5-2 0.714 0-0 0.000 0.337 0.404

UW-Eau Claire WIAC 3-2 0.600 6-2 0.750 3-2 0.600 0.470 0.591
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Team Conf. Reg. W/L % W/L % Conf. % OWP OOWP Note

Tags · October 23, 2007, 08:15:59 PM

Frank-

My hat is off to you for all of that, but you really need to get off the computer a little.

Also, when AU heads into Growney with 1 loss, and leaves with 2, it will end the discussion of E8 Bids. 8)

pg04 · October 23, 2007, 08:39:55 PM

Quote from: Soopahmhanfifffty7 on October 23, 2007, 10:33:23 AM
I've stated before that I read harry potter, remember I would have been about 12 when Harry Potter started and they are good books... and p.s. it was not I or started the HP conversation

I'll admit my reading of it too. However, I am only in the middle book 4 as I have just started to pick them up.

They are very well written and exciting... I don't have any issues to what age I am and what I read.

Wow! I agree with Supa on something!

FisherAlum05 · October 23, 2007, 08:52:56 PM

Harry Potter is the sh!t

superman57 · October 23, 2007, 08:54:48 PM

Quote from: pg04 on October 23, 2007, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: Soopahmhanfifffty7 on October 23, 2007, 10:33:23 AM
I've stated before that I read harry potter, remember I would have been about 12 when Harry Potter started and they are good books... and p.s. it was not I or started the HP conversation

I'll admit my reading of it too. However, I am only in the middle book 4 as I have just started to pick them up.

They are very well written and exciting... I don't have any issues to what age I am and what I read.

Wow! I agree with Supa on something!

+K PG, I hope my stuff did not give anything away for you

theoriginalupstate · October 23, 2007, 09:08:41 PM

Just got done watching the SJF/SC game...

Fortune is a beast easily the best lineman SJF has had to date, the kid is just nasty...

SJF did have a Freshman at RT, 6-5 280lber, he played really well...

Stepnick was all over the place making tackles, he has suprising speed for a kid thats 200lbs...

Kramer was his usuall self, very poised and making good decisions the whole game....

Jimmy Smith has a sweet set of hands, he made a couple of great catches in between defenders....

Miranto's 2nd pick was awesome....

Sharpe looked pedestrian, no where near what he looked like from the previous year, and he looks as though he's shot putting the ball when he throws it....

Springfields D = not very good...

pg04 · October 23, 2007, 09:09:50 PM

Not really. Although most of the time I avoid all Harry Potter References, especially now that it's all done so I don't spoil anything. However, even passing references on TV have spoiled a little bit.

Quote from: Soopahmhanfifffty7 on October 23, 2007, 08:54:48 PM
Quote from: pg04 on October 23, 2007, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: Soopahmhanfifffty7 on October 23, 2007, 10:33:23 AM
I've stated before that I read harry potter, remember I would have been about 12 when Harry Potter started and they are good books... and p.s. it was not I or started the HP conversation

I'll admit my reading of it too. However, I am only in the middle book 4 as I have just started to pick them up.

They are very well written and exciting... I don't have any issues to what age I am and what I read.

Wow! I agree with Supa on something!

+K PG, I hope my stuff did not give anything away for you

maxpower · October 23, 2007, 09:14:09 PM

Harry Potter rules.

I am not burned/evacuated down here... but school is canceled for a week! Which is actually much less exciting in grad school than it was in 3rd grade.....

boobyhasgameyo · October 23, 2007, 09:35:07 PM

God bless DewCrew, love the columns but I can't get over how Fisher is ranked 7th nationally yet 5th in his east region poll....essentially not converting the one final play against Hartwick has cost Fisher all of those spots. Grant it Fisher shouldn't have even put themselves into a position to lose to Hartwick but only one other team has been able to stay within 3 touchdowns of Fisher and that was the U of R in a "rivalry" game losing by 16. I understand ranking undefeated teams ahead of ones who lost, even though I don't agree with it, so I'll concede Alfred, RPI, and Salisbury for this discussion...But Wesley being ranked ahead of Fisher...come on. They barely beat a 4-3 Del Valley team, barely beat a North Carolina Wesleyan team, were in a close one with a nothing to write home about Widener, and lost to a suddenly mediocre Montclair State team.

Sorry, rants of a Booby.

Annnyhow here are my top 10 East Rankings

1. Alfred
2. Fisher / Salisbury in a toss up
3. Fisher / Salisbury in a toss up
4. RPI
5. Wesley
6. New Jersey
7. Hobart
8. Ithaca
9. Cortland (not sold on Cortland)
10. Hartwick

sjfcclimbing · October 24, 2007, 12:06:19 AM

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on October 23, 2007, 09:35:07 PM
Annnyhow here are my top 10 East Rankings

1. Alfred
2. Fisher / Salisbury in a toss up
3. Fisher / Salisbury in a toss up
4. RPI
5. Wesley
6. New Jersey
7. Hobart
8. Ithaca
9. Cortland (not sold on Cortland)
10. Hartwick

I second these but would leave Salisbury as #2.

Current discussion at Fisher is when to have Senior Day. Two years ago it was Alfred and last year it was Springfield both losses - coincidence? It was scheduled for Alfred but the distraction for that game doesn't make sense and why tempt fate?

superman57 · October 24, 2007, 12:15:45 AM

I say if they can do it this week then do so, leave the alfred game as it is, because no matter what that game is going to be for the e8 championship...so let that be the only distraction that week

JQV · October 24, 2007, 08:16:07 AM

Quote from: sjfcclimbing on October 24, 2007, 12:06:19 AMCurrent discussion at Fisher is when to have Senior Day. Two years ago it was Alfred and last year it was Springfield both losses - coincidence? It was scheduled for Alfred but the distraction for that game doesn't make sense and why tempt fate?

This was sarcasm...right?

fisheralum91 · October 24, 2007, 08:51:36 AM

wow- slow day on the board----
any discussion on Kemp getting the boot in Utica?

superman57 · October 24, 2007, 09:05:56 AM

To any red sox fans out their please be careful what you promise,

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/20897/red_sox_mastercard/

fisheralum91 · October 24, 2007, 09:10:43 AM

an oldie but a goodie

FB: Empire 8

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