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[FisherAlum05]

Pat,

Any idea about when the new Regional Rankings come out this week? 

[Knightstalker]

We all tend to get a little regioncentric or conferencentric when it comes to Pool C bids.  The reality is the majority of conference runnerups get lumped into the pool and the committee uses the regional selection criteria applied to a national stage and select the Pool C teams.  The Pool B schools may be taking a C this season, that it a really tough Pool with at least 4 playoff caliber teams.

The E8 could get a pool C bid.
The LL could get a pool C bid.
The NJAC has an outside shot at a pool C bid.  (cortland)
The MAC could get a pool C bid.
The East may not get a pool C bid at all.

The E8 and the LL could get pool C bids.
No way Cortland or anybody from the NJAC gets a pool C.
No way the MAC gets a pool C.
The East will definately get a pool C from somewhere.

Cortland wins out they have just as good a shot at Pool C as any 2 loss eastern region team.
Widenor wins out Albright has as just as good a shot at Pool C as any other eastern region team.

[superman57]

Jose I thought trinity beat milsaps...

[redswarm81]

I've admitted all along that I don't understand feelings-based poll rankings. 

When the results are based on nothing more than "that's the way I feel," I can't place much confidence in those results.

who said that the goal of the poll was to instill "confidence" in anything.¹  Football games are won on the field, not in polls.  The results on the field are what (should) generate a certain level of "confidence" in us fans about the respective teams.²  Let the polls be what they are...opinions that are based largely in part by subjective data.³

I don't see what you and FisherAlum are getting so upset about.

¹ You want me and the other posters to have enough confidence in the poll to believe that it's a defensible opinion of team strength, right?  I mean, if it were based on "nicest uniform colors" or "least offensive team nickname," it wouldn't be worth much in gauging relative team strength, would it?

I have simply asked some questions about what criteria--objective or subjective--voters use to gauge relative team strength.  Why does that upset you?

²  So isn't that the same as saying that the results on the field should determine where the teams are placed in the poll?  Results on the field are objective, not subjective.

³ "Subjective data?"  What exactly is "subjective data?"  Results on the field?  No, those are ojective data.  Uniform colors and offensiveness of nicknames are subjective, do you include those "data" in your calculation?  I'm not angry or trying to accuse you of anything bad, I'm just trying to understand what criteria, what "subjective data" poll voters are using.  Don't get angry at me for asking.

I honestly don't understand the objection of "too much discussion" on a PP message board.  It reminds me of them rednecks who complain "there's too much free speechifyin' goin' on around here!"

"based largely in part" is another gem.

[JQV]

²  So isn't that the same as saying that the results on the field should determine where the teams are placed in the poll?  Results on the field are objective, not subjective.

This isn't totally accurate.

Results on the field can be subjective.

[redswarm81]

²  So isn't that the same as saying that the results on the field should determine where the teams are placed in the poll?  Results on the field are objective, not subjective.

This isn't totally accurate.

Results on the field can be subjective.

Such as?  I suppose a team could say "we lost, but it feels as if we won."  But the result, the loss, doesn't change, does it?

Don't get mad at me for asking, but can you explain what you mean by "results on the field can be subjective?"

[Jonny Utah]

²  So isn't that the same as saying that the results on the field should determine where the teams are placed in the poll?  Results on the field are objective, not subjective.

This isn't totally accurate.

Results on the field can be subjective.

Such as?  I suppose a team could say "we lost, but it feels as if we won."  But the result, the loss, doesn't change, does it?

Don't get mad at me for asking, but can you explain what you mean by "results on the field can be subjective?"

redswarm, answer this question.....

Who has a better football team, Michigan or Appalachian St?

[realistic]

point, game Utah.

[AUKaz00]

²  So isn't that the same as saying that the results on the field should determine where the teams are placed in the poll?  Results on the field are objective, not subjective.

This isn't totally accurate.

Results on the field can be subjective.

Such as?  I suppose a team could say "we lost, but it feels as if we won."  But the result, the loss, doesn't change, does it?

Don't get mad at me for asking, but can you explain what you mean by "results on the field can be subjective?"

I'd say that where the game was played, when the game was played, who played in the game (i.e. injuries), and weather conditions during the game all could make the final results a little subjective.  If you are also looking at the variances in scores, the logical conclusions derived from them would be subjective.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat,

Any idea about when the new Regional Rankings come out this week? 

Wednesday afternoon, as before.

[JQV]

Such as?  I suppose a team could say "we lost, but it feels as if we won."  But the result, the loss, doesn't change, does it?

Don't get mad at me for asking, but can you explain what you mean by "results on the field can be subjective?"

Just for the record, nothing you have said has angered me in any way.  I think the reason for a vote is an interesting debate.

Utah and Kazoo made points similar to the point I was thinking but, in the way of explanation I will elaborate.

The identity of the winner of a game and the loser of a game, as well as the score of a game, are unarguably objective pieces of data.  However, what that data means in the grand scheme of things is subjective.

Using an example for explanation makes it clearer.  Hartwick beat St. John Fisher at home and lost to WNEC on the road.  Those are objective facts.  But, discerning meaning from those facts becomes a solely subjective process.  Is Hartwick just good at home?  Did Fisher just have a bad day?  Is WNEC finally good?  etc.  Therefore, it is impossible to rank teams on wholly objective grounds unless each team has played every other team.

[BoSox0322]

Such as?  I suppose a team could say "we lost, but it feels as if we won."  But the result, the loss, doesn't change, does it?

Don't get mad at me for asking, but can you explain what you mean by "results on the field can be subjective?"

Just for the record, nothing you have said has angered me in any way.  I think the reason for a vote is an interesting debate.

Utah and Kazoo made points similar to the point I was thinking but, in the way of explanation I will elaborate.

The identity of the winner of a game and the loser of a game, as well as the score of a game, are unarguably objective pieces of data.  However, what that data means in the grand scheme of things is subjective.

Using an example for explanation makes it clearer.  Hartwick beat St. John Fisher at home and lost to WNEC on the road.  Those are objective facts.  But, discerning meaning from those facts becomes a solely subjective process.  Is Hartwick just good at home?  Did Fisher just have a bad day?  Is WNEC finally good?  etc.  Therefore, it is impossible to rank teams on wholly objective grounds unless each team has played every other team.

I have the answer to all of this... all teams in D3 are invited to the NCAA's and the tournament will go into next summer...

Who is the best team in baseball?  Oh wait...there is no debate on that subject...

[theoriginalupstate]

SC 31
Wick 27

AU 31
IC 38 in OT

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"Holy Crap" it has been fun tonight...

+k

[FisherAlum05]

SC 31
Wick 27

AU 31
IC 38 in OT

Good predictions there.  I also believe that SC will beat Wick this weekend.  That should be a high scoring game.  But, I do think AU will rebound and beat IC @ Butterfield.  That too, should be a great game.