FB: Empire 8

[redswarm81]

Don't get mad at me for asking, but can you explain what you mean by "results on the field can be subjective?"

The identity of the winner of a game and the loser of a game, as well as the score of a game, are unarguably objective pieces of data.  However, what that data means in the grand scheme of things is subjective.

I have the answer to all of this... all teams in D3 are invited to the NCAA's and the tournament will go into next summer...

I would have no objection to a "no polls, tournament only" system, but I can guarantee that it will leave no one satisfied, since in the first round, some W(TF?)NEC will beat some Hartwick, and then everyone will complain that the "best" teams never got a chance to play, and . . .

I have no objection to polls per se, I just prefer that the polls have a solid foundation of performance data, and are not just a collection of feelings about reputation, expectations, bad days and good lucks.

[superman57]

Don't get mad at me for asking, but can you explain what you mean by "results on the field can be subjective?"

The identity of the winner of a game and the loser of a game, as well as the score of a game, are unarguably objective pieces of data.  However, what that data means in the grand scheme of things is subjective.

I have the answer to all of this... all teams in D3 are invited to the NCAA's and the tournament will go into next summer...

I would have no objection to a "no polls, tournament only" system, but I can guarantee that it will leave no one satisfied, since in the first round, some W(TF?)NEC will beat some Hartwick, and then everyone will complain that the "best" teams never got a chance to play, and . . .

I have no objection to polls per se, I just prefer that the polls have a solid foundation of performance data, and are not just a collection of feelings about reputation, expectations, bad days and good lucks.

Red Swarm, please just go back to the LLPP and annoy them... I think we have already said that the polls have a mind of their own, but for the most part they are right, RPI has yet to show us anything, and for me the next two weeks will tell me if RPI is for real

[redswarm81]

My dream would be if Boston signed him, because then Boston would have the A-Rod Curse

Finally, something from SuperHeinz57 that I can understand, and endorse!

. . . but "prositute?"

[superman57]

My dream would be if Boston signed him, because then Boston would have the A-Rod Curse

Finally, something from SuperHeinz57 that I can understand, and endorse!

. . . but "prositute?"

yes Prositute


definition-the only @$$ that Redswarm will ever be able to get

[superman57]

ok me be tired, good night all cee yah all 2morrow

[redswarm81]

PC-

Can you please address redswarm directly so he understands how the D3 Polls are derived.

Pat has explained somewhere else.  The D3football.com poll is conducted the same way as the final match in Rollerball: no rules.

Otherwise, we're going to have to sit here and read these long winded lectures until who knows when.

You don't have to read, but I'm really happy to learn that you can.

[superman57]

PC-

Can you please address redswarm directly so he understands how the D3 Polls are derived.

Pat has explained somewhere else.  The D3football.com poll is conducted the same way as the final match in Rollerball: no rules.

Otherwise, we're going to have to sit here and read these long winded lectures until who knows when.

You don't have to read, but I'm really happy to learn that you can.

dude, go to the street corner pay the one ugly chick their so she can de-virginize you and maybe you can get  a life

[redswarm81]

Pat has explained somewhere else.  The D3football.com poll is conducted the same way as the final match in Rollerball: no rules.

You don't have to read, but I'm really happy to learn that you can.

dude, go to the street corner pay the one ugly chick their so she can de-virginize you and maybe you can get  a life

And that has what to do with football?  You are so smart, you are so smart, s-m-r-t!

[Jonny Utah]

redswarm, answer this question.....

Who has a better football team, Michigan or Appalachian St?

Surf the other boards, I think the East Region Fan poll had a good discussion of this very question.  But some of those posters might be smart, so take your time.

After the first game of the season, there was no legitimate, logical reason to rank Michigan ahead of Appalachian State.  Nonetheless, I'm sure that there were thousands of people who felt very strongly that Michigan was a better team than Appalachian State.

But, no matter how anyone felt, Appalachian State proved that day that they were a better football team than Michigan.  Anyone who would have voted Michigan higher than Appalachian State would have been voting entirely on feelings--reputation (which can't be measured), expectations (which can't be measured), tradition (which can't be measured), instead of the results, which proved that on that day, Appalachian State was a better team than Michigan.

In the eight or so weeks since then, Appalachian State has lost other games to other opponents, won other games v. different opponents, and Michigan has done the same.  So now, eight weeks later, sure--you can use common opponent analysis and SoS and overall winning percentage, and you can--based on objective evidence--conclude that today, eight weeks later, Michigan is a better team than Appalachian State.

But if you reached that conclusion after week one, you were doing so in direct contravention of the fact that Appalachian State beat Michigan.

I hope you feel better.

But you still have the #1 benchmark for objective analysis of two football teams in a ranking.....head to head. 

So you can say a few things in terms of rankings and just the teams in general.

1) App St. is better than Michigan because they beat them

2) App St. should be ranked higher than Michigan because they beat them and they both have two losses versus teams that neither have common opponents with.

3) Michigan is better than App St. because (feelings/common sense/empirical analysis..etc) will tell you that Michigan will beat App. St 9/10 times.

4) Michigan should be ranked higher because of #3

5) Michigan should be ranked higher because both teams have 2 loses and App. Sts two losses are worse (kind of "subjective" according to redswarm, so it couldnt be this one right?)

[BoSox0322]

It doesn't apply my friend.

We're talking Mt. Union vs. Fisher & Ithaca --- two completely different animals.
And we're talking an '06 Fisher squad that completely dismantled Hartwick last year.

Also, margin of victory does apply to this topic b/c if you want to move up you've got to put away the good teams in a convincing fashion. 5 points at home isn't enough to really rally voters behind your team enough IMHO.

I do agree with the Rochester argument, but Hartwick needs to put a hurtin' on a good team before anyone really accepts them - At least that's my view.

Lets not get crazy here ... I'll take the wins over Ithaca and SJF by 1/2 each right now it put them in a spot to get in the NCAAs...... Say this outloud to yourself in your den... Well to get votes Hartwick would have to beat Ithaca and SJF more convincingly than they did...  come on

ok im done

Said it out loud... still makes sense. Bottom line is you need to beat teams convincingly to rally voters to bump you up.

I'm not saying they weren't good wins for the program, what I am saying is that polls are based on more than two very close home wins.

How about basing the polls on 6 wins and 2 losses?  compared to Ithaca? same record with a head to head win and an additional win over fisher  ... or Rochester 5 and 3?  beating nobody with relevance?  They somehow deserve the votes over Hartwick?

[BoSox0322]

Ive just stopped reading his posts

I second that

[BoSox0322]

PC-

Can you please address redswarm directly so he understands how the D3 Polls are derived.

Pat has explained somewhere else.  The D3football.com poll is conducted the same way as the final match in Rollerball: no rules.

Otherwise, we're going to have to sit here and read these long winded lectures until who knows when.

You don't have to read, but I'm really happy to learn that you can.

dude, go to the street corner pay the one ugly chick their so she can de-virginize you and maybe you can get  a life

Soop be careful...Daddy DewCrew might yell at you

[Tags]

It doesn't apply my friend.

We're talking Mt. Union vs. Fisher & Ithaca --- two completely different animals.
And we're talking an '06 Fisher squad that completely dismantled Hartwick last year.

Also, margin of victory does apply to this topic b/c if you want to move up you've got to put away the good teams in a convincing fashion. 5 points at home isn't enough to really rally voters behind your team enough IMHO.

I do agree with the Rochester argument, but Hartwick needs to put a hurtin' on a good team before anyone really accepts them - At least that's my view.

Lets not get crazy here ... I'll take the wins over Ithaca and SJF by 1/2 each right now it put them in a spot to get in the NCAAs...... Say this outloud to yourself in your den... Well to get votes Hartwick would have to beat Ithaca and SJF more convincingly than they did...  come on

ok im done

Said it out loud... still makes sense. Bottom line is you need to beat teams convincingly to rally voters to bump you up.

I'm not saying they weren't good wins for the program, what I am saying is that polls are based on more than two very close home wins.

How about basing the polls on 6 wins and 2 losses?  compared to Ithaca? same record with a head to head win and an additional win over fisher  ... or Rochester 5 and 3?  beating nobody with relevance?  They somehow deserve the votes over Hartwick?

I agree with what you're saying there.

[fisheralum91]

morning tags---perhaps you could use a few bars of dropkick murphys to start the day off right!!!

[fisheralum91]

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