FB: Empire 8

[labart96]

I assume Hobart would take care of business at UR and slide in as the LL champ. Could be way off though, not following that race too much.

Hobart looked good today...though they had a hard time running the ball

Hobart has had a hard time running the ball all season.  They are a passing team first and foremost.  This because they have a great QB, 2 strong WRs and don't have a primary RB since losing Blakowski to graduation.  Not to mention Union has a pretty good rush defense.

There has been a 3 way time share in the Hobart backfield all season and no RB has really emerged as "true starter".

I was hoping either Hobaica or Gilardi would step up this season, but no luck.  The FY transfer Marlier has been ok, but not as good as you'd maybe expect from a DI transfer.

Nah, Hobart's a passing team this season.  West Coast offense all the way.

[superman57]

OK the admiral finally got something to eat. Who wants to talk about the game today. To be honest I didn't think that Hartwick played a very good game today. Yes they won, but they have got to learn how to put a game away(via play calling and execution) the way SJF, IC and AU do when they are rolling.

admrials as much as I hated you when you first came, I respect you now...but it's gonna take a few years before Wick is routing teams like fisher and IC.... this year reminds me a lot of the 04 fisher team...some redicoulas players but keeping a lot of games close


TGP who is the tight end #15 he was nasty today...made some huge plays...


but bart needs to shore up their special teams can not be getting a blocked punt returned for a td

[realistic]

both weekends...and really the whole season.  The east really proved itself this fall.  I was talking to a buddy of mine that played at Mary Hardin Baylor and we thought that this might be one of the first years in recent memory that the east isnt the 4th region.

don't know if that will end up being the casebut it was interesting to have that conversation last week with a guy from the of the "better" regions.

This is a good point - we should take the strength of our region this year as a step forward and a sense of accomplishment.

We really have no idea how strong the east really is though.  Its funny how the whole strength of a region is sometimes determined by a final four game. (SJF/MUC last year and Rowans stagg bowls in other years)

Jonny - you're right.  I think this season of really competitive leagues like the E8 and LL make the region strong and last years showing by SJF helps a lot too.  Hopefully the postseason participants (whoever they are) continue making the region look good.

[Jonny Utah]

both weekends...and really the whole season.  The east really proved itself this fall.  I was talking to a buddy of mine that played at Mary Hardin Baylor and we thought that this might be one of the first years in recent memory that the east isnt the 4th region.

don't know if that will end up being the casebut it was interesting to have that conversation last week with a guy from the of the "better" regions.

This is a good point - we should take the strength of our region this year as a step forward and a sense of accomplishment.

We really have no idea how strong the east really is though.  Its funny how the whole strength of a region is sometimes determined by a final four game. (SJF/MUC last year and Rowans stagg bowls in other years)

Jonny - you're right.  I think this season of really competitive leagues like the E8 and LL make the season strong and last years showing by SJF helps a lot too.  Hopefully the postseason participants (whoever they are) continue making the region look good.

Well I think whats different about this year is that you have 4 teams in each league that are pretty good.  Hell, the LL and E8 have 7 total teams that could win the league this year.

[admirals_vt]

OK the admiral finally got something to eat. Who wants to talk about the game today. To be honest I didn't think that Hartwick played a very good game today. Yes they won, but they have got to learn how to put a game away(via play calling and execution) the way SJF, IC and AU do when they are rolling.

admrials as much as I hated you when you first came, I respect you now...but it's gonna take a few years before Wick is routing teams like fisher and IC.... this year reminds me a lot of the 04 fisher team...some redicoulas players but keeping a lot of games close


TGP who is the tight end #15 he was nasty today...made some huge plays...


but bart needs to shore up their special teams can not be getting a blocked punt returned for a td

I assumed that was where I was getting all the -K, thanks

[SJFF82]

I gotta disagree a bit about all the "East is strong" talk.  I think 'we' definately are deeper than in past years, but we lack the one or two stong powerhouses...no Rowan-like power.  Parity is good, but parity loses to MUC 56-0 every time (Capital, Ohio Northern, John Carroll)

[admirals_vt]

Soop, its not even so much routing teams as is is finishing the job. In all 3 big wins this year they have had excellent first halfs. What they haven't been able to do is start the second with either a stop or a score that can break the other teams spirit. Today for example, had 14 point lead late in first, missed a chip shot FG on last play of half. Wick got the ball to start the second half, drove deep and Boltus fumbled after holding on to the ball too long in the pocket.
Finishing off a team is something that comes from the confidence of having done it before. That is what SJF, IC and AU have and 'wick needs to get for the next step and it has to start with the coaching staff they are going to be the constant from year to year. Carr has his team rolling, but he doesn't have the confidence in himself yet.

[Tags]

I gotta disagree a bit about all the "East is strong" talk.  I think 'we' definately are deeper than in past years, but we lack the one or two stong powerhouses...no Rowan-like power.  Parity is good, but parity loses to MUC 56-0 every time (Capital, Ohio Northern, John Carroll)

I don't agree with that - MUC is in a class all by themselves, take them out of this discussion for a second.
I think top East Region teams can compete w/ teams like Capital, UW-Whitewater, etc. For example in 2006, I would have picked Fisher over Whitewater had they played each other.

I'm not saying that the East as a whole is quite at that level yet, but it's not very far behind.

[Jonny Utah]

I gotta disagree a bit about all the "East is strong" talk.  I think 'we' definately are deeper than in past years, but we lack the one or two stong powerhouses...no Rowan-like power.  Parity is good, but parity loses to MUC 56-0 every time (Capital, Ohio Northern, John Carroll)

I don't agree with that - MUC is in a class all by themselves, take them out of this discussion for a second.
I think top East Region teams can compete w/ teams like Capital, UW-Whitewater, etc. For example in 2006, I would have picked Fisher over Whitewater had they played each other.

I'm not saying that the East as a whole is quite at that level yet, but it's not very far behind.

Yea but are you just saying that because the scores from two games are similar?

[Tags]

I gotta disagree a bit about all the "East is strong" talk.  I think 'we' definately are deeper than in past years, but we lack the one or two stong powerhouses...no Rowan-like power.  Parity is good, but parity loses to MUC 56-0 every time (Capital, Ohio Northern, John Carroll)

I don't agree with that - MUC is in a class all by themselves, take them out of this discussion for a second.
I think top East Region teams can compete w/ teams like Capital, UW-Whitewater, etc. For example in 2006, I would have picked Fisher over Whitewater had they played each other.

I'm not saying that the East as a whole is quite at that level yet, but it's not very far behind.

Yea but are you just saying that because the scores from two games are similar?

In part yes, and I know where you're heading. MUC is a team that ends people's seasons, that's what they do - but Fisher gave them all they could handle on their home turf. There is no reason to think Fisher wouldn't be able to beat a Whitewater last year.

I don't want to over analyze the Fisher comment, the overall point is that MUC aside, the East is making steps forward in being able to compete with the major players in DIII.

[admirals_vt]

Obviously things still have to play out, but as of today if I had to rank the Pool C candidates from the east they would be:

1. SJF
2. Hobart
3. Montclair St.
4. Cortland/Ithaca winner
5. Hartwick

[Jonny Utah]

Obviously things still have to play out, but as of today if I had to rank the Pool C candidates from the east they would be:

1. SJF
2. Hobart
3. Montclair St.
4. Cortland/Ithaca winner
5. Hartwick

Your probably right.  But Cortland would be ahead of Montclair I think since they already beat them.  And I still think IC could get it over Montclair if they smoke Cortland....

[admirals_vt]

Obviously things still have to play out, but as of today if I had to rank the Pool C candidates from the east they would be:

1. SJF
2. Hobart
3. Montclair St.
4. Cortland/Ithaca winner
5. Hartwick

Your probably right.  But Cortland would be ahead of Montclair I think since they already beat them.  And I still think IC could get it over Montclair if they smoke Cortland....

No your right I would switch the C St./IC winner with Montclair. SJF is in win or lose next week, although with a loss they will be sweating it out a little.

[pg04]

Wow, this is odd...3 way tie in the E8 and the only way Fisher can win the conference is if Utica beats Hartwick, right? --- My lack of a computer has put me behind. 

Holy Hartwick...

[realistic]

God I would love to see a Cortaca blowout next weekend.  That would be great.