FB: Empire 8

[Saxon73]

Sorry, but with Hartwick beating norwich 19 - 13 ans Sp'field 33 -34 it is hard to expect much.  However best wishes and the best team come out on top

[admirals_vt]

Sorry, but with Hartwick beating norwich 19 - 3 ans Sp'field 33 -34 it is hard to expect much.  However best wishes and the best team come out on top

Not expressing much confidence in your boys getting the job done next weekend?

[Saxon73]

admiral,  next week is next week

[FisherAlum05]

props to hartwick this season.  looks like they will get the AQ if Fisher can beat AU next weekend. 

Although, Utica did win convincingly over Norwich today.  Wick better not overlook the Pioneers.

[JQV]

Which one of you guys was flouting BC when I said they couldn't play with teams from the south...

[FisherAlum05]

Which one of you guys was flouting BC when I said they couldn't play with teams from the south...

It was me.  Boston College was the #2 ranked BCS team.  Sure, they lost to FSU tonight.  But they can still make a BCS major bowl game.  Not too bad right?

Give them some credit dude.

[Jonny Utah]

Which one of you guys was flouting BC when I said they couldn't play with teams from the south...

BC has not been playing like the #2 team in the country.  Hell, they barely beat Umass.  But Im not too sure it has anything to do with playing teams from the south.  They still have Miami, and theyve done pretty well against everyone theyve played in the south over the last 10 years.  The bowl game vs. Georgia sticks out in my mind. 

[gobombers15]

Looks like this season is going to be a repeat of the 2004 season for Ithaca. Two losses in the span of 7 days is going to keep them out of the playoffs despite the fact that they're peaking at the right time.

[fan of d3]

in d3 you gotta peak all season long.

[FisherAlum05]

exactly right.  slip up even twice, and your probably not getting a bid in d3 football.  though, i think we will see a couple two loss pool c teams this year. 

[SJFF82]

I gotta disagree a bit about all the "East is strong" talk.  I think 'we' definately are deeper than in past years, but we lack the one or two stong powerhouses...no Rowan-like power.  Parity is good, but parity loses to MUC 56-0 every time (Capital, Ohio Northern, John Carroll)

I don't agree with that - MUC is in a class all by themselves, take them out of this discussion for a second.
I think top East Region teams can compete w/ teams like Capital, UW-Whitewater, etc. For example in 2006, I would have picked Fisher over Whitewater had they played each other.

I'm not saying that the East as a whole is quite at that level yet, but it's not very far behind.

Tags:  I agree with everything you said and even take it a bit further...put MUC in the equation and SJF goes to Alliance as we both saw last year and the 'East' did compete...

Yet looking at this year, and using the cliche "The sum is only as good as its parts" and I do not see that really powerful "part" this year in the EAST.   Even as you state without MUC in the equation, the East could compete with the Capitals and Whitewaters...I agree, except competing with teams that consistently got absolutely destroyed by MUC this year does not give me any semblance of belief that the East has a shot this year.  The three teams that I indicated were Capital, Ohio Northern and John Carroll, at least 2 if not all three were highly ranked at some point this season (Capital in the top 5 at one point).  Those teams got baked.  The East's best (SJF TCNJ RPI BART IC AU, and even 'WICK right now, better be better than losing 56-0 to MUC, or I cannot believe that the East is that strong (this year).

The East has competed with MUC in recent years...Rowan and SJF, and has even beat them at their best...Rowan (although it has been several years now).  The point is that I just dont see that Rowan squad, or that '06 SJF squad in this bunch of good East teams that 'we' will be sending off to the NCAA's shortly.

SJF lost to 'Wick
RPI lost to Rochester
AU is losing to everyone right now
TCNJ  has really looked the most dominate overall
BART is playing solid but might not even make the play-offs
IC is playing damn well, but they aren't getting in either
WICK:  wow, beat SJF, IC and SC this year....bet a dollar on that next year in   Vegas....but really, where is the Curry of the E8 going in the play-offs?

I just can't make a stong argument for any of these teams doing serious damage in the final 4...the good thing is one has to get to the final 4 and by then whoever it is will certainly have a ton of momentum having won at least 3 straight games against quality teams...and then you never know I guess?
Hopefully it will be SJF as they start their 'play-off' season next Saterday at Growney...Bring on the PepBand!

[rams1102]

I gotta disagree a bit about all the "East is strong" talk.  I think 'we' definately are deeper than in past years, but we lack the one or two stong powerhouses...no Rowan-like power.  Parity is good, but parity loses to MUC 56-0 every time (Capital, Ohio Northern, John Carroll)

I don't agree with that - MUC is in a class all by themselves, take them out of this discussion for a second.
I think top East Region teams can compete w/ teams like Capital, UW-Whitewater, etc. For example in 2006, I would have picked Fisher over Whitewater had they played each other.

I'm not saying that the East as a whole is quite at that level yet, but it's not very far behind.

Tags:  I agree with everything you said and even take it a bit further...put MUC in the equation and SJF goes to Alliance as we both saw last year and the 'East' did compete...

Yet looking at this year, and using the cliche "The sum is only as good as its parts" and I do not see that really powerful "part" this year in the EAST.   Even as you state without MUC in the equation, the East could compete with the Capitals and Whitewaters...I agree, except competing with teams that consistently got absolutely destroyed by MUC this year does not give me any semblance of belief that the East has a shot this year.  The three teams that I indicated were Capital, Ohio Northern and John Carroll, at least 2 if not all three were highly ranked at some point this season (Capital in the top 5 at one point).  Those teams got baked.  The East's best (SJF TCNJ RPI BART IC AU, and even 'WICK right now, better be better than losing 56-0 to MUC, or I cannot believe that the East is that strong (this year).

The East has competed with MUC in recent years...Rowan and SJF, and has even beat them at their best...Rowan (although it has been several years now).  The point is that I just dont see that Rowan squad, or that '06 SJF squad in this bunch of good East teams that 'we' will be sending off to the NCAA's shortly.

SJF lost to 'Wick
RPI lost to Rochester
AU is losing to everyone right now
TCNJ  has really looked the most dominate overall
BART is playing solid but might not even make the play-offs
IC is playing damn well, but they aren't getting in either
WICK:  wow, beat SJF, IC and SC this year....bet a dollar on that next year in   Vegas....but really, where is the Curry of the E8 going in the play-offs?

I just can't make a stong argument for any of these teams doing serious damage in the final 4...the good thing is one has to get to the final 4 and by then whoever it is will certainly have a ton of momentum having won at least 3 straight games against quality teams...and then you never know I guess?
Hopefully it will be SJF as they start their 'play-off' season next Saterday at Growney...Bring on the PepBand!

For some reason Montclair is not mentioned. Beat a ranked Wesley and a legit powerhouse, beat a ranked 2-0 Springfield then had 2 clunkers in the NJAC. Still a 7-2 record and should finish 8-2 and should have equal status with the above, with the exception of Fisher if the beat Alfred. Comments?

[SJFF82]

I gotta disagree a bit about all the "East is strong" talk.  I think 'we' definately are deeper than in past years, but we lack the one or two stong powerhouses...no Rowan-like power.  Parity is good, but parity loses to MUC 56-0 every time (Capital, Ohio Northern, John Carroll)

I don't agree with that - MUC is in a class all by themselves, take them out of this discussion for a second.
I think top East Region teams can compete w/ teams like Capital, UW-Whitewater, etc. For example in 2006, I would have picked Fisher over Whitewater had they played each other.

I'm not saying that the East as a whole is quite at that level yet, but it's not very far behind.

Tags:  I agree with everything you said and even take it a bit further...put MUC in the equation and SJF goes to Alliance as we both saw last year and the 'East' did compete...

Yet looking at this year, and using the cliche "The sum is only as good as its parts" and I do not see that really powerful "part" this year in the EAST.   Even as you state without MUC in the equation, the East could compete with the Capitals and Whitewaters...I agree, except competing with teams that consistently got absolutely destroyed by MUC this year does not give me any semblance of belief that the East has a shot this year.  The three teams that I indicated were Capital, Ohio Northern and John Carroll, at least 2 if not all three were highly ranked at some point this season (Capital in the top 5 at one point).  Those teams got baked.  The East's best (SJF TCNJ RPI BART IC AU, and even 'WICK right now, better be better than losing 56-0 to MUC, or I cannot believe that the East is that strong (this year).

The East has competed with MUC in recent years...Rowan and SJF, and has even beat them at their best...Rowan (although it has been several years now).  The point is that I just dont see that Rowan squad, or that '06 SJF squad in this bunch of good East teams that 'we' will be sending off to the NCAA's shortly.

SJF lost to 'Wick
RPI lost to Rochester
AU is losing to everyone right now
TCNJ  has really looked the most dominate overall
BART is playing solid but might not even make the play-offs
IC is playing damn well, but they aren't getting in either
WICK:  wow, beat SJF, IC and SC this year....bet a dollar on that next year in   Vegas....but really, where is the Curry of the E8 going in the play-offs?

I just can't make a stong argument for any of these teams doing serious damage in the final 4...the good thing is one has to get to the final 4 and by then whoever it is will certainly have a ton of momentum having won at least 3 straight games against quality teams...and then you never know I guess?
Hopefully it will be SJF as they start their 'play-off' season next Saterday at Growney...Bring on the PepBand!

For some reason Montclair is not mentioned. Beat a ranked Wesley and a legit powerhouse, beat a ranked 2-0 Springfield then had 2 clunkers in the NJAC. Still a 7-2 record and should finish 8-2 and should have equal status with the above, with the exception of Fisher if the beat Alfred. Comments?

Did not intentionally omit Montclair, but that 30 point loss to the team that Ithaca hates is troubling...but in as much as 'Wick lost to that NEFC team and I mentioned them...then Montclair is in the mix...

[superman57]

If Fisher wins and Wick wins the AQ...They will be thrown in the pool c's with at Least the 2 loss teams of Ithaca/Cortland, Montclair, ALbright and Hobart if RPI and Hobart win their games and I will say that at least one team besides fisher gets a pool c...in my head only frank can correct me when I am wrong....

the team with the number 1 shot at a pool c would be
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Hobart (only if they win and RPI wins)
Ithaca/Cortland winner (though it will be harder for cortland to do it because of the Brockport loss)
Albright (they are the dark horse in my mind)
Montclair (that cortland loss could really end up biting them)

now what I am unsure of is  if Alfred wins does Hartwick in fact get a pool c, I believe that they might...but not sure

[fisheralum91]

well boys it all comes down to this.
Fisher wins and in.
Thats my take.
Thays why i had the game circled on the sched in august.
Ill see you boys at the game next sat!!!!