FB: Empire 8

[Senor RedTackle]

These guys are not just a bunch of fat slobs and athletes who just try to overpower you or blow past you with speed.  They are very disciplined and well coached.  "It's Science" as the LLers would say...

Friday night Mt.Union pregame meal?? Science, we say??

[Knightstalker]

In other NY news, how about Flynn for Syracuse tonight? He was lighting it up with Harris (both Niagara Falls products).  Flynn had 28pts 9 assts while Harris had 14pts and 15 boards (i think), these two cut down their turnovers and Syracuse could be inline for a very nice season.  They have the makings of a nice team over the next few years with Greene (fr), Flynn, Harris and Rautins when he comes back next year with 2 years remaining.

I watched the Syracuse game tonight.  Man do they have alot of young talent.  Flynn, Green, Harris, and Devendorf are all incredibly good players.  Onuaku is an absolute manchild under the basket.  If this team can cut down on the turnovers, and play better defense, look out.  Especially next season, they will be a national title contender.  

Props to the Siena basketball team.  They kept it close against a young and talented Cuse team.  Every time they were down 15 points or so, they would cut it back to single digits.  They are a very good mid-major team and will most likely win their conference the MAAC.

they looked good last night.  Taking into account that it was Sienna, I think there is a lot to be excited about for the season (then again anything will be better than FB).  Obviously they have to work on the turnovers, but it is very early and I think that will come as Flynn gets more comfortable as the 1 and Devo can move full time to the 2.  The talent is incredible on that team and as someone else said, if they can keep this squad around for a few years, it can be scary good.  Also the JuCo transfer looks like he can be special too.  Veyr excited about the season, and I think Sienna is gonna be pretty good too.

The new head Mens Basketball Coach at NJCU is arguably the best pg Sienna ever had, Marc Brown.  He takes over for his father at NJCU this season.

[Knightstalker]

RT where did you find my pic?

[theoriginalupstate]

Mount's defense has been on a tear, winning 33 straight and averaging 7 points against per contest over that stretch.  These guys are not just a bunch of fat slobs and athletes who just try to overpower you or blow past you with speed.  They are very disciplined and well coached.  Mount Union runs a nice system where they completely shut their opponent down and win national titles.  They are pretty efficient at doing so.

"It's Science" as the LLers would say...

Whose argument is better?

Mine because I actually used something related to what happens on the field instead of spouting off with general "completely shut down" comments....

[chris7sarge]

I would love to see IC score 24 or more on MUC... they've only given up 24 all year to this point.

I think IC has the weapons to do so, Donovan can pound with the best of them.  IC's O line is going to have their hands full all day but they need to come out and start strong to get Donovan rolling.  Also, IC needs to get their TE and FB involved to move the chains, they're not going to be able to use their speedy WR's downfield all that often. 

Really?  Mount's first team D hasn't given up a touchdown all season, but you think Ithaca can score over 24?  Not trying to be rude...but why will Ithaca have so much success where others haven't?  Capital kept Mount scoreless for the first quarter and lost 35-0.

IC's offense has been on a tear, winning 6 straight and averaging 40pts per contest over that stretch.  These guys are not just a bunch of fat slobs and athletes that just try to overpower you or outrun you.  They are very disciplined and well coached.  IC runs a nice system where the coverage dictates the routes run by the recievers and tight ends.  They'll take what you give them and they are pretty efficient at doing so. 

"Its Science" as the LLers would say...

This is no different than any other football team at the D3 level.  They aren't reinventing the wheel here.

[theoriginalupstate]

Well does AU do it?

They do a better job of it than a lot of other teams do around here...

[JQV]

Whose argument is better?

Only one is an argument. 

[chris7sarge]

Well does AU do it?

They do a better job of it than a lot of other teams do around here...

Yes.  So does Fisher, Wick, Utica, Norwich, and every other school in America.  

I am getting the impression that you havent run many routes throughout your career and/or dont understand the basics of a passing game.

[Toph]

Mount's defense has been on a tear, winning 33 straight and averaging 7 points against per contest over that stretch.  These guys are not just a bunch of fat slobs and athletes who just try to overpower you or blow past you with speed.  They are very disciplined and well coached.  Mount Union runs a nice system where they completely shut their opponent down and win national titles.  They are pretty efficient at doing so.

"It's Science" as the LLers would say...

Whose argument is better?

Mine because I actually used something related to what happens on the field instead of spouting off with general "completely shut down" comments....

Everyone runs routes based on coverage.  Mount completely shutting down their opponents and winning national titles both take place on the field. 

[theoriginalupstate]

Well does AU do it?

They do a better job of it than a lot of other teams do around here...

Yes.  So does Fisher, Wick, Utica, Norwich, and every other school in America.  

I am getting the impression that you havent run many routes throughout your career and/or dont understand the basics of a passing game.

SJF has exactly ONE pass play where the WR reads the coverage and adjusts his route according to my 03 playbook. Also, I can still go to games and pick out %99 of the plays as they are signaled in from the sideline so pretty much nothing has changed.

[HScoach]

Sorry to interupt the argument of my Dad can beat up your Dad, but does anyone really want to talk football?  Assuming, yes, I thought I'd give some "what to watch for" game tips to the Ithaca faithful that are making trip to Alliance.

MUC's defense is a little undersized, but very athletic and runs a 4-2-5 as their base D.  Basically, they're in the "nickel" all the time, even in short yardage situations.  They'll attack the line of scrimmage if challenged and do so from all angles.  If MUC is sitting a base zone and only rushing the 4 D-linemen, then the opponent hasn't challenged them enough and they're comfortable in stopping you without taking any chances.  If MUC stops Ithaca early in the game without needing to blitz, it's not a good sign for the Ithaca O. 

The strong side DE plays is a more traditional D-lineman and goes 6'-3", 250 lbs.  Where as the weak side DE is a little guy (6'-1", 210 lbs) who comes off the edge very quickly.  The 2 DT's are a little undersized at 5'-11", 260 lbs but both are athletic.  In fact, the teams leading tackler is the right DT with 15 more stops than either all-conference LB.  I can't remember ever seeing a team led by a DT in tackles.

The 2 LB's are drastically different player types.  One's a physical beast at 6'-2", 235 lbs.  The other one is more like a safety at 5'-10", 205 lbs but very quick.

The play-maker in MUC secondary is their strong safety (#9) who fills an OLB role in short yardage situations.  The rest of the secondary are good athletes, but nobody really stands out as head and shoulders above the rest.  Wouldn't classify the CB's as true "shut down corners", but overall the secondary is solid and deep.

Offensively, it's hard to predict what their base "style" really is because it depends on the opponent and what's working.  There have been games (like last week) where they threw the ball deep a ton and had over 400 yds passing and Kmic only had 39 yards rushing on 11 carries.  There are games where they've never thrown a pass over 10 yards deep.  And there are games (like the SJF semi-final from 2006) where Kmic ran the ball 40+ times and they hardly threw at all. 

Formation wise, they're typically 3 WR's and 2 RB's.  Though the RB's will sometimes split out to give a 4 or 5 WR look.  Very rarely are they truly in a standard 2 RB, 2 WR and a TE set.  And when they do, the TE is really a WR lined up there.

The strength of the MUC offense is its versatility and diversity.   


Anyone care to share what we might expect from the Bombers?

[gobombers15]

Well does AU do it?

They do a better job of it than a lot of other teams do around here...

Yes.  So does Fisher, Wick, Utica, Norwich, and every other school in America.  

I am getting the impression that you havent run many routes throughout your career and/or dont understand the basics of a passing game.

SJF has exactly ONE pass play where the WR reads the coverage and adjusts his route according to my 03 playbook. Also, I can still go to games and pick out %99 of the plays as they are signaled in from the sideline so pretty much nothing has changed.

Excellent. That nice little video tape of your coaches signaling in the plays that the Norwich coaches filmed will work swimmingly for all the other E8 teams next season. What did you Fisher fans expect? They play in New England.

[not so rowdy bomber]

 
Anyone care to share what we might expect from the Bombers?

stuff.  you know, like  passing.  running.  that sort of thing

[theoriginalupstate]

Well does AU do it?

They do a better job of it than a lot of other teams do around here...

Yes.  So does Fisher, Wick, Utica, Norwich, and every other school in America.  

I am getting the impression that you havent run many routes throughout your career and/or dont understand the basics of a passing game.

SJF has exactly ONE pass play where the WR reads the coverage and adjusts his route according to my 03 playbook. Also, I can still go to games and pick out %99 of the plays as they are signaled in from the sideline so pretty much nothing has changed.

Excellent. That nice little video tape of your coaches signaling in the plays that the Norwich coaches filmed will work swimmingly for all the other E8 teams next season. What did you Fisher fans expect? They play in New England.

Well i get the whole NE thing, but they do have 2 qb's signaling in the plays one is live and one is a dummy call....

[theoriginalupstate]

 
Anyone care to share what we might expect from the Bombers?

stuff.  you know, like  passing.  running.  that sort of thing

That and some ooga boogas....