FB: Empire 8

[BoSox0322]

thats what i said bosox.
even after all of the hubub  with kemp .....ahem....leaving the team........i figured that things would have smoothed themselves out---guess not

Well... honestly what I think is he probably saw what Kemp was put through and sees the underlying issues that still remain... and he doesnt want to go through the same thing Kemp did

[BoSox0322]

But back to football.........

It seems like Hartwick has some defensive problems.  But is it speed, size, quickness?

Size up front. They need some space eaters. If a team has a power running game we are in huge trouble. The defenses goal is to get one or two stops a game, the offense will take over from there.

Well dont know if Im going to be the bearer of bad news, but Curry is 100% power running game.  They run a lot of unbalanced I formation with a tackle over.  Also a big oline and some solid rbs.  Curry does not have a lot of offensive team speed, but they ran the ball at will against CG. 

And just wait when its 3rd and 1 or 4th and one, and they qb sneak it with 3 olinemen in the backfield pushing the whole line forward 5 yards!

JU... is this right??? I thought Curry was a high flying offense like the Wick?  Or are they just putting up big Offensive numbers?

Well against Coast Guard it was true.  But Coast Guard was one of the smallest d3 teams I have ever seen, NEFC or non-NEFC. 

But high flying Curry is not.  The QB is good and they have some good sized Wrs, but they definitly tried to power the ball against Curry.  I would expect them to do the same against Hartwick if they are as small as you say they are.

and with the record of success of teams running against the wick

[BoSox0322]

But back to football.........

It seems like Hartwick has some defensive problems.  But is it speed, size, quickness?

Size up front. They need some space eaters. If a team has a power running game we are in huge trouble. The defenses goal is to get one or two stops a game, the offense will take over from there.

That same exact theory didn't work out too well for Springfield - you absolutely need a defense to do any damage in the NCAA's.

I agree, but lets not forget this is only 'wicks first taste of the NCAA's. We'll be happy with monkey stomping Curry and build on that for next year with the same offense and improved defense and special teams (both problems right now)

not the same offense without Crea... and we are not content with just beating Curry...

[dewcrew88]

thats what i said bosox.
even after all of the hubub  with kemp .....ahem....leaving the team........i figured that things would have smoothed themselves out---guess not

Well... honestly what I think is he probably saw what Kemp was put through and sees the underlying issues that still remain... and he doesnt want to go through the same thing Kemp did

I don't think so, BoSox. I believe Jellerson thinks he did a good enough job in the last three games, and I can't say I blame him for thinking this way, to stay on as head coach and just have the AD and the adminstration take off the interim tag. My personal opinion is that the AD should take off the interim tag and not go to a national search.

[BoSox0322]

thats what i said bosox.
even after all of the hubub  with kemp .....ahem....leaving the team........i figured that things would have smoothed themselves out---guess not

Well... honestly what I think is he probably saw what Kemp was put through and sees the underlying issues that still remain... and he doesnt want to go through the same thing Kemp did

I don't think so, BoSox. I believe Jellerson thinks he did a good enough job in the last three games, and I can't say I blame him for thinking this way, to stay on as head coach and just have the AD and the adminstration take off the interim tag. My personal opinion is that the AD should take off the interim tag and not go to a national search.

Great point...

[BoSox0322]

thats what i said bosox.
even after all of the hubub  with kemp .....ahem....leaving the team........i figured that things would have smoothed themselves out---guess not

Well... honestly what I think is he probably saw what Kemp was put through and sees the underlying issues that still remain... and he doesnt want to go through the same thing Kemp did

I don't think so, BoSox. I believe Jellerson thinks he did a good enough job in the last three games, and I can't say I blame him for thinking this way, to stay on as head coach and just have the AD and the adminstration take off the interim tag. My personal opinion is that the AD should take off the interim tag and not go to a national search.

Great point...

Although... i think what I said may be in the back of his head at least

[theicdubbz]

thats what i said bosox.
even after all of the hubub  with kemp .....ahem....leaving the team........i figured that things would have smoothed themselves out---guess not

Well... honestly what I think is he probably saw what Kemp was put through and sees the underlying issues that still remain... and he doesnt want to go through the same thing Kemp did

I don't think so, BoSox. I believe Jellerson thinks he did a good enough job in the last three games, and I can't say I blame him for thinking this way, to stay on as head coach and just have the AD and the adminstration take off the interim tag. My personal opinion is that the AD should take off the interim tag and not go to a national search.

They are going to a national search because after saterday Lloyd Carr will be looking for a new position.   what better job is out there than Utica?

[JQV]

I don't think so, BoSox. I believe Jellerson thinks he did a good enough job in the last three games, and I can't say I blame him for thinking this way, to stay on as head coach and just have the AD and the adminstration take off the interim tag. My personal opinion is that the AD should take off the interim tag and not go to a national search.

I know you are loyal to a guy that was on the staff when you were there but I think it is pretty hard to argue that a total new direction isn't exactly what this program needs.

[admirals_vt]

But back to football.........

It seems like Hartwick has some defensive problems.  But is it speed, size, quickness?

Size up front. They need some space eaters. If a team has a power running game we are in huge trouble. The defenses goal is to get one or two stops a game, the offense will take over from there.

That same exact theory didn't work out too well for Springfield - you absolutely need a defense to do any damage in the NCAA's.

I agree, but lets not forget this is only 'wicks first taste of the NCAA's. We'll be happy with monkey stomping Curry and build on that for next year with the same offense and improved defense and special teams (both problems right now)

not the same offense without Crea... and we are not content with just beating Curry...

You can never replace a Crea, but with your QB, #1WR and complete O-line returning your not going to have much if any drop-off and with that returning you have to be the number #1 contender to land whoever the regions stud coming out of HS is. I didn't say we would stop playing after the first round, but you have to admit after the last couple of years even at this point this is a great year and nobody on this team will go into the off-season (hopefully weeks away) without positive memories.

[fisheralum91]

agreed- nothing wrong with checking out what else is out there

[dewcrew88]

I don't think so, BoSox. I believe Jellerson thinks he did a good enough job in the last three games, and I can't say I blame him for thinking this way, to stay on as head coach and just have the AD and the adminstration take off the interim tag. My personal opinion is that the AD should take off the interim tag and not go to a national search.

I know you are loyal to a guy that was on the staff when you were there but I think it is pretty hard to argue that a total new direction isn't exactly what this program needs.

I'm not against a new direction at all. Also, Jellerson started in fall of 2004 on the staff -- I had graduated the May before.
I think they need to give him a shot to see what he could do for a full season.

[JQV]

You can never replace a Crea, but with your QB, #1WR and complete O-line returning your not going to have much if any drop-off and with that returning you have to be the number #1 contender to land whoever the regions stud coming out of HS is. I didn't say we would stop playing after the first round, but you have to admit after the last couple of years even at this point this is a great year and nobody on this team will go into the off-season (hopefully weeks away) without positive memories.

I absolutely disagree with this.

Even if we limit it just to the regional studs that fit the D-III private school profile, I still don't thin HC will be the number 1 choice.

[realistic]

I don't think you can ever say any school is a guaranteed #1 choice for any athlete without knowing them individually.  Obviously there are way too many factors that should be considered.  A kid who wants to be an engineer isn't going to Ithaca, just like a kid who wants to play an instrument isn't going to RPI.

[admirals_vt]

You can never replace a Crea, but with your QB, #1WR and complete O-line returning your not going to have much if any drop-off and with that returning you have to be the number #1 contender to land whoever the regions stud coming out of HS is. I didn't say we would stop playing after the first round, but you have to admit after the last couple of years even at this point this is a great year and nobody on this team will go into the off-season (hopefully weeks away) without positive memories.

I absolutely disagree with this.

Even if we limit it just to the regional studs that fit the D-III private school profile, I still don't thin HC will be the number 1 choice.

I didn't say the number 1 choice, I said contender. If you are a back and think you can play and produce as a freshman your going to make a short list that has schools with a starter graduating. Than other factors come it to play for final selection (school size, majors, location, etc...). There are a number of current players that switched schools do to playing time.

[admirals_vt]

I don't think you can ever say any school is a guaranteed #1 choice for any athlete without knowing them individually.  Obviously there are way too many factors that should be considered.  A kid who wants to be an engineer isn't going to Ithaca, just like a kid who wants to play an instrument isn't going to RPI.

Again I never said guaranteed, just a contender and based on this year 'wick will definately get looks from kids that may have only looked at SJF, IC or AU.